Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Le 05/11/2013 13:55, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : 2) I saw we need at least one ip host connexion alive to have a connexion for simh - I am on Windows with wincap -. Again, why ? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'need at least one ip host connexion alive'. Are you saying that you need to be connected to a network? Thanks to your help, I was able to communicate using a classic wire connexion. It works also with the only wire interface, used by Windows for ip traffic, and by simh for its (ip also) traffic. If I disable the ip protocol for the interface, simh also cannot work. My question is theoretical : why do we need an ip host protocol on the host interface for simh being able of work with this interface ? It's perhaps a window / wincap issue. Don't worry about it : it is only to increese my knowledge. I do go on with wired and ip-ed solutions. Gérard Calliet ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Gérard SIMH has a console terminal connection. This is activated after SIMH starts up by creating a Telnet connection to port 1 on your host (or else it times out). That implies that the IP protocol be activated on at least one network interface on your host. Jason -Original Message- From: simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Gérard Calliet Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2013 3:49 AM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: [External] Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion Le 05/11/2013 13:55, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : 2) I saw we need at least one ip host connexion alive to have a connexion for simh - I am on Windows with wincap -. Again, why ? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'need at least one ip host connexion alive'. Are you saying that you need to be connected to a network? Thanks to your help, I was able to communicate using a classic wire connexion. It works also with the only wire interface, used by Windows for ip traffic, and by simh for its (ip also) traffic. If I disable the ip protocol for the interface, simh also cannot work. My question is theoretical : why do we need an ip host protocol on the host interface for simh being able of work with this interface ? It's perhaps a window / wincap issue. Don't worry about it : it is only to increese my knowledge. I do go on with wired and ip-ed solutions. Gérard Calliet ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
On Wednesday, November 06, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Le 05/11/2013 13:55, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : 2) I saw we need at least one ip host connexion alive to have a connexion for simh - I am on Windows with wincap -. Again, why ? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'need at least one ip host connexion alive'. Are you saying that you need to be connected to a network? Thanks to your help, I was able to communicate using a classic wire connexion. It works also with the only wire interface, used by Windows for ip traffic, and by simh for its (ip also) traffic. If I disable the ip protocol for the interface, simh also cannot work. My question is theoretical : why do we need an ip host protocol on the host interface for simh being able of work with this interface ? It's perhaps a window / wincap issue. That is a good question. You certainly should be able to run a simh simulator using a network interface which the host system isn't using for IP traffic. I have done this in the past. In fact, prior to simh v3.9, using an extra network interface (one dedicated to simh) was the only way the simulated system could talk to its host system via IP. The key requirement is that the dedicated interface MUST be enabled and active/on. WinPcap does not have any way to turn an interface on, so you may need some low level protocol enabled on the interface to act as a place holder to turn on the interface. IP certainly is sufficient to perform this task, but several other Protocols which windows At this time, I no longer run simh simulators on Windows using the additional interface since, while implementing the DELQA-T I found the issue (for Windows) which didn't allow a simh simulator to share the network interface AND to talk to the host as well. That works now. On non-windows platforms, the problem still is an issue, but there now built in support for other ways to work around this issue (with internal bridging and/or VDE). - Mark Don't worry about it : it is only to increese my knowledge. I do go on with wired and ip-ed solutions. Gérard Calliet ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
On Wednesday, November 06, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Jason Armistead wrote: Gérard SIMH has a console terminal connection. This is activated after SIMH starts up by creating a Telnet connection to port 1 on your host (or else it times out). That implies that the IP protocol be activated on at least one network interface on your host. Jason The use of the console telnet connection is not required. However, one could use it without an external network interface by connecting via the localhost network address (127.0.0.1). ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Hello, Thanks for the answers. It works, now. Just to get some understanding : 1) we need two different MAC address : why ? because the distinction is at the mac level ? 2) I saw we need at least one ip host connexion alive to have a connexion for simh - I am on Windows with wincap -. Again, why ? Thanks. Gerard Calliet Le 2013-11-04 11:30, prenouvel a écrit : Hi Gérard, What does the command XQ show eth returns ? You try with Wifi, does it works with a RJ45 cable ? Didn't you deactivate an ethernet connection recently oh the PC host ? Regards. Patrick. Le 04/11/2013 07:49, Gérard Calliet a écrit : Hi Mark, Thanks for your answer. I tried the simh 4.0 beta. It's still not working. I join show ethernet result, ipconfig/all result, my ucx config, the init file. I choosed the right eth (eth0 is the active wifi interface on windows). I gave its mac address as interf mac address in the simh init file. I don't understand where is the problem. I am just a beginner on simh, so I could have done some error, but I don't see what it is. Gérard Calliet pia-sofer Le 04/11/2013 00:37, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : On Sunday, November 03, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Hello, I am a beginer on simh. I have tried a lot of thing to get connected by ethernet, on simh 3.9 openvms 7.3, openvms 7.0, vms 5.5 ... / ucx 4.0 I have instaled wincap on a Windows Seven I cannot get any connexion Hi Gérard, Try using the latest simh binaries from https://github.com/simh/Win32-Development-Binaries/blob/Win32-Development-Binaries/simh-4.0-Beta--2013-10-02-5feb20d0.zip [1] Alternatively, if you've got a Visual Studio environment (or MinGW) available, you can build from the latest sources available from: https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip [2] If you are still having problems, provide the output of SHOW ETHERNET from a sim prompt along with the output of IPCONFIG/ALL from a Windows command prompt, and explain what makes you think that the ethernet is not working. Good Luck. - Mark ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh - [3] Ce courrier électronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection Antivirus avast! [4] est active. Links: -- [1] https://github.com/simh/Win32-Development-Binaries/blob/Win32-Development-Binaries/simh-4.0-Beta--2013-10-02-5feb20d0.zip [2] https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip [3] http://www.avast.com/ [4] http://www.avast.com/ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Hello, Thanks for all the answers. But it doesn't work. I tried with another pc, and on rj45, and I gave a specific (dec)Mac address. Same thing. An idea ? Gérard Calliet Le 2013-11-04 08:28, Robert Jarratt a écrit : Hello Gérard, If I have understood you correctly you have given the simulated Ethernet interface the same MAC address as the physical interface, although if that is right there seems to be a typo in your first email. I would definitely give SIMH a unique MAC address that is not already on your network. Additionally, although I suspect it may not make a difference, it might be best to use a DEC MAC address in your SIMH config, DEC MACs start with 08-00-2B. Regards Rob -Original Message- From: simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces@trailing- edge.com] On Behalf Of Gérard Calliet Sent: 04 November 2013 06:50 To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion Hi Mark, Thanks for your answer. I tried the simh 4.0 beta. It's still not working. I join show ethernet result, ipconfig/all result, my ucx config, the init file. I choosed the right eth (eth0 is the active wifi interface on windows). I gave its mac address as interf mac address in the simh init file. I don't understand where is the problem. I am just a beginner on simh, so I could have done some error, but I don't see what it is. Gérard Calliet pia-sofer Le 04/11/2013 00:37, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : On Sunday, November 03, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Hello, I am a beginer on simh. I have tried a lot of thing to get connected by ethernet, on simh 3.9 openvms 7.3, openvms 7.0, vms 5.5 ... / ucx 4.0 I have instaled wincap on a Windows Seven I cannot get any connexion Hi Gérard, Try using the latest simh binaries from https://github.com/simh/Win32-Development-Binaries/blob/Win32- Developm ent-Binaries/simh-4.0-Beta--2013-10-02-5feb20d0.zip Alternatively, if you've got a Visual Studio environment (or MinGW) available, you can build from the latest sources available from: https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip If you are still having problems, provide the output of SHOW ETHERNET from a sim prompt along with the output of IPCONFIG/ALL from a Windows command prompt, and explain what makes you think that the ethernet is not working. Good Luck. - Mark ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
gerard.call...@pia-sofer.fr wrote: Thanks for all the answers. But it doesn't work. I tried with another pc, and on rj45, and I gave a specific (dec)Mac address. Same thing. An idea ? I'll repeat Mark's suggestion: provide the output of SHOW ETHERNET from a sim prompt along with the output of IPCONFIG/ALL from a Windows command prompt and add that SHOW ETHERNET was spelled XQ SHOW ETH in older SimH versions (as Patrick suggested). cu, Martin ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Hi Gérard, On Sunday, November 03, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for your answer. I tried the simh 4.0 beta. It's still not working. I join show ethernet result, ipconfig/all result, my ucx config, the init file. I choosed the right eth (eth0 is the active wifi interface on windows). I gave its mac address as interf mac address in the simh init file. This is likely your key issue. Attempting to get a simh simulator to use a Wifi network interface is likely to be a challenge. Depending on details of how your simulated system is configured, it may be impossible. I suggest that you try working with a Wired Network interface first and make sure you've to things working there BEFORE you explore the challenges of trying to 'share' the WiFi connection with your host operating system. The issues with sharing the WiFi connection come down to several facts: 1) the fact that the WiFi network expects ONLY a single MAC address to be transmitting from a single WiFi connection. 2) Normal windows WiFi network interfaces cannot operate in promiscuous mode, which means that they can only receive traffic destined for a single MAC address. Depending on subtle details of your VMS system's configuration the Operating system and/or pieces of the network software will dynamically change the MAC address that is being used on the XQ or XU interface from the built in hardware MAC address (which you specify in the simh configuration file) to a DECnet form MAC address. As mentioned above, a WiFi network connection will not expect (or work) with multiple MAC addresses, so this will be why things don't work. On a windows system using a wired network connection, the following tests should be performed (and succeed): 1) PING the host computer's wired network IP address. 2) PING the router's IP address. If this doesn't succeed, then describe the firewall/anti-virus software installed on the windows system. You should be able to use WireShark to watch your simulated system's network traffic. Capturing with a capture filter of ip host 192.168.1.222 3) PING other devices on your network. 4) PING something beyond your router. Let us know how far this gets. - Mark I don't understand where is the problem. I am just a beginner on simh, so I could have done some error, but I don't see what it is. Gérard Calliet pia-sofer ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] how to get eth connexion
Hello, I am a beginer on simh. I have tried a lot of thing to get connected by ethernet, on simh 3.9 openvms 7.3, openvms 7.0, vms 5.5 ... / ucx 4.0 I have instaled wincap on a Windows Seven I cannot get any connexion my init : ; ; Load CPU microcode ;load -r /usr/local/vax/data/ka655.bin ; ; Attach non-volatile RAM to a file; ;attach nvr /usr/local/vax/data/nvram.bin ; ; This virtual machine has 64M memory set cpu 128m ; ; Define disk drive types. RA92 is largest-supported VAX drive. ;set rq0 ra92 ;set rq1 ra92 set rq2 ra92 set rq3 cdrom ; ; Attach defined drives to local files attach rq0 rq0.dsk ;attach rq1 /usr/local/vax/data/d1.dsk attach rq2 rq0_55.dsk ; ; Attach the CD-ROM to its file (read-only) attach -r rq3 image.iso ; ; Disable unused devices. It's also possible to disable individual devices, ; using a construction like set rq2 disable if desired. ; ;set rl disable ;set ts disable ; ; Attach Ethernet to a network interface set xq enabled set xq mac=74-2F-68-CD-07-05 attach xq0 eth1 ; set console telnet=9000 ; ; Now start the emulator boot cpu I join what is said on the consol. What is wrong ? Is there anything to do on the hardware interfaces ? Are there possible incompatibilities ? Any help would be good. Think you. Gérard Calliet attachment: console simh.JPG___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
On Sunday, November 03, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Hello, I am a beginer on simh. I have tried a lot of thing to get connected by ethernet, on simh 3.9 openvms 7.3, openvms 7.0, vms 5.5 ... / ucx 4.0 I have instaled wincap on a Windows Seven I cannot get any connexion Hi Gérard, Try using the latest simh binaries from https://github.com/simh/Win32-Development-Binaries/blob/Win32-Development-Binaries/simh-4.0-Beta--2013-10-02-5feb20d0.zip Alternatively, if you've got a Visual Studio environment (or MinGW) available, you can build from the latest sources available from: https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip If you are still having problems, provide the output of SHOW ETHERNET from a sim prompt along with the output of IPCONFIG/ALL from a Windows command prompt, and explain what makes you think that the ethernet is not working. Good Luck. - Mark ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion
Hello Gérard, If I have understood you correctly you have given the simulated Ethernet interface the same MAC address as the physical interface, although if that is right there seems to be a typo in your first email. I would definitely give SIMH a unique MAC address that is not already on your network. Additionally, although I suspect it may not make a difference, it might be best to use a DEC MAC address in your SIMH config, DEC MACs start with 08-00-2B. Regards Rob -Original Message- From: simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces@trailing- edge.com] On Behalf Of Gérard Calliet Sent: 04 November 2013 06:50 To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] how to get eth connexion Hi Mark, Thanks for your answer. I tried the simh 4.0 beta. It's still not working. I join show ethernet result, ipconfig/all result, my ucx config, the init file. I choosed the right eth (eth0 is the active wifi interface on windows). I gave its mac address as interf mac address in the simh init file. I don't understand where is the problem. I am just a beginner on simh, so I could have done some error, but I don't see what it is. Gérard Calliet pia-sofer Le 04/11/2013 00:37, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm a écrit : On Sunday, November 03, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Gérard Calliet wrote: Hello, I am a beginer on simh. I have tried a lot of thing to get connected by ethernet, on simh 3.9 openvms 7.3, openvms 7.0, vms 5.5 ... / ucx 4.0 I have instaled wincap on a Windows Seven I cannot get any connexion Hi Gérard, Try using the latest simh binaries from https://github.com/simh/Win32-Development-Binaries/blob/Win32- Developm ent-Binaries/simh-4.0-Beta--2013-10-02-5feb20d0.zip Alternatively, if you've got a Visual Studio environment (or MinGW) available, you can build from the latest sources available from: https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip If you are still having problems, provide the output of SHOW ETHERNET from a sim prompt along with the output of IPCONFIG/ALL from a Windows command prompt, and explain what makes you think that the ethernet is not working. Good Luck. - Mark ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
