Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
Ah! I obviously didn't pay enough attention. Looking now at your original post, you did indeed define the macro without the dot, so obviously you would not find a macro that started with a dot. Doh! Johnny On 2016-02-05 23:38, Will Senn wrote: I should have been more clear. I was inconsistent in my use of the dot. If I had used it everywhere, it would have been fine, to Timothe's point about it being a symbol. I didn't, so instead of fixing it in that direction, I chose the recommended path of not using dot for user-defined symbols. You're right that the macro expansion didn't show anything because the symbol was undefined. I'll have to try the other list options later. I was able to get my textbook example (pascal like macros) working, so I'm good for the time being. By the way, other than it's reliance on macros for I/O in the first 7 chapters, the book, "The Digital Way: Macro-11 Assembly Language Programming (PDP-11", by J. F. Peters, III, is pretty awesome. it covers PDP-11 architecture and includes information on how to work with assembly language using RT11, RSTS, and RSX-11 tools. At the end of the day, my issues are a bit of pilot error combined with a huge helping of ignorance about the underlying systems that is only slowly being overcome. One day, I'm using RT11 (cuz it's simpler, generally), the next I'm using RSX-11 cuz it's got more software), slowly, it's all beginning to make sense ( which is slightly ironic, because really, I'm only trying to learn the PDP-11 well enough to understand Unix internals :), talk about the long way 'round, but fun, if sometimes a bit exasperating! ). Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: He provided the listing in the original post. He had one error on .MCALL line, and one on the .TIN line U on .MCALL, and UQ on .TIN, if I remember right. I also find it extremely strange that it would not be possible to start a user defined macro with '.', but if it works without, that's a strong indication that the dot was the problem. Or else Will was not actually using a dot, but only something that looked like one, or something else funny...? As for listing the macro expansions in the list file, that can be interesting, but if the symbol is considered undefined, you're not going to see anything more. Johnny On 2016-02-05 22:41, Timothe Litt wrote: Too many loose ends to declare victory. The RT-11 librarian doesn't have a list command for macros; they were second class citizens. It's available on other DEC OS's librians, so I must have crossed a memory. Names with a '.' or '$' are reserved to DEC. But I don't think this should impact how the search is conducted. I'm pretty sure I had private libraries with .foo names (legal, as I was in DEC :-) In .FOO, '.' is part of the symbol name. See http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RT-11/AA-5075A-TC%20PDP-11%20MACRO-11%20Language%20Reference%20Manual.pdf Page 3-6; also chapter 7, section 7.8. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/rt11/v5.6_Aug91/AA-PDU0A-TC_RT-11_Commands_Manual_Aug91.pdf describes the DCL: e.g. EXECUTE MYLIB/LIBRARY+C.MAC/LIST/OBJECT I don't suppose that you got it trouble for explicitly specifying .MLB? That would be strange. But DCL for RT11 came after I stopped using RT11. You didn't provide the .LST file, which is where the real error should turn up. Also, .list MD, MC and ME will often shed some light on these sorts of issues. (Of these, ME is the only one not defaulted on) On 05-Feb-16 16:05, Will Senn wrote: I got it working :). However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros in the library. I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips and hints were much more useful. So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): .type et2.mac .TITLE ETTYIN .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART . .type tin.mac .MACROTINCHAR EMT^O340 BCS.-2. .IF NB .IF DIF ,R0 MOVBR0,CHAR .ENDC .ENDC .ENDM .lib/mac/c tin tin .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib .link et2 .run et2 THIS IS A TEST THIS IS A TEST ^C . I really appreciate y'alls assistance. Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remem
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On Fri 05 Feb 2016 at 19:18:58 +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote: > I'm sure there is a way to list what macros exist in the library file. Could > you check that your macro really exists there. Also extract it, to see that > it indeed looks correct. Note that there is the Unix version of Macro-11 that I worked on. So you could transfer some library files and let it extract them. My main goal was to make it more fully correspond to the RSX version where the original was more RT-11 oriented (but probably also had some outright bugs). But I added an option to extract object libraries; it could do macro libraries already. See https://github.com/Rhialto/macro11 . While working on this I noticed that the file format had some subtle differences between RT11 and RSX. You can find the differences by looking at the mlb.c file versus mlb-rsx.c. The main difference was I think that RSX version has length indicators in the directory blocks were the RT11 version seemingly has not. -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- The Doctor: No, 'eureka' is Greek for \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl-- 'this bath is too hot.' signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
I should have been more clear. I was inconsistent in my use of the dot. If I had used it everywhere, it would have been fine, to Timothe's point about it being a symbol. I didn't, so instead of fixing it in that direction, I chose the recommended path of not using dot for user-defined symbols. You're right that the macro expansion didn't show anything because the symbol was undefined. I'll have to try the other list options later. I was able to get my textbook example (pascal like macros) working, so I'm good for the time being. By the way, other than it's reliance on macros for I/O in the first 7 chapters, the book, "The Digital Way: Macro-11 Assembly Language Programming (PDP-11", by J. F. Peters, III, is pretty awesome. it covers PDP-11 architecture and includes information on how to work with assembly language using RT11, RSTS, and RSX-11 tools. At the end of the day, my issues are a bit of pilot error combined with a huge helping of ignorance about the underlying systems that is only slowly being overcome. One day, I'm using RT11 (cuz it's simpler, generally), the next I'm using RSX-11 cuz it's got more software), slowly, it's all beginning to make sense ( which is slightly ironic, because really, I'm only trying to learn the PDP-11 well enough to understand Unix internals :), talk about the long way 'round, but fun, if sometimes a bit exasperating! ). Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: He provided the listing in the original post. He had one error on .MCALL line, and one on the .TIN line U on .MCALL, and UQ on .TIN, if I remember right. I also find it extremely strange that it would not be possible to start a user defined macro with '.', but if it works without, that's a strong indication that the dot was the problem. Or else Will was not actually using a dot, but only something that looked like one, or something else funny...? As for listing the macro expansions in the list file, that can be interesting, but if the symbol is considered undefined, you're not going to see anything more. Johnny On 2016-02-05 22:41, Timothe Litt wrote: Too many loose ends to declare victory. The RT-11 librarian doesn't have a list command for macros; they were second class citizens. It's available on other DEC OS's librians, so I must have crossed a memory. Names with a '.' or '$' are reserved to DEC. But I don't think this should impact how the search is conducted. I'm pretty sure I had private libraries with .foo names (legal, as I was in DEC :-) In .FOO, '.' is part of the symbol name. See http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RT-11/AA-5075A-TC%20PDP-11%20MACRO-11%20Language%20Reference%20Manual.pdf Page 3-6; also chapter 7, section 7.8. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/rt11/v5.6_Aug91/AA-PDU0A-TC_RT-11_Commands_Manual_Aug91.pdf describes the DCL: e.g. EXECUTE MYLIB/LIBRARY+C.MAC/LIST/OBJECT I don't suppose that you got it trouble for explicitly specifying .MLB? That would be strange. But DCL for RT11 came after I stopped using RT11. You didn't provide the .LST file, which is where the real error should turn up. Also, .list MD, MC and ME will often shed some light on these sorts of issues. (Of these, ME is the only one not defaulted on) On 05-Feb-16 16:05, Will Senn wrote: I got it working :). However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros in the library. I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips and hints were much more useful. So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): .type et2.mac .TITLE ETTYIN .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART . .type tin.mac .MACROTINCHAR EMT^O340 BCS.-2. .IF NB .IF DIF ,R0 MOVBR0,CHAR .ENDC .ENDC .ENDM .lib/mac/c tin tin .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib .link et2 .run et2 THIS IS A TEST THIS IS A TEST ^C . I really appreciate y'alls assistance. Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: On 2/5/
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
He provided the listing in the original post. He had one error on .MCALL line, and one on the .TIN line U on .MCALL, and UQ on .TIN, if I remember right. I also find it extremely strange that it would not be possible to start a user defined macro with '.', but if it works without, that's a strong indication that the dot was the problem. Or else Will was not actually using a dot, but only something that looked like one, or something else funny...? As for listing the macro expansions in the list file, that can be interesting, but if the symbol is considered undefined, you're not going to see anything more. Johnny On 2016-02-05 22:41, Timothe Litt wrote: Too many loose ends to declare victory. The RT-11 librarian doesn't have a list command for macros; they were second class citizens. It's available on other DEC OS's librians, so I must have crossed a memory. Names with a '.' or '$' are reserved to DEC. But I don't think this should impact how the search is conducted. I'm pretty sure I had private libraries with .foo names (legal, as I was in DEC :-) In .FOO, '.' is part of the symbol name. See http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RT-11/AA-5075A-TC%20PDP-11%20MACRO-11%20Language%20Reference%20Manual.pdf Page 3-6; also chapter 7, section 7.8. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/rt11/v5.6_Aug91/AA-PDU0A-TC_RT-11_Commands_Manual_Aug91.pdf describes the DCL: e.g. EXECUTE MYLIB/LIBRARY+C.MAC/LIST/OBJECT I don't suppose that you got it trouble for explicitly specifying .MLB? That would be strange. But DCL for RT11 came after I stopped using RT11. You didn't provide the .LST file, which is where the real error should turn up. Also, .list MD, MC and ME will often shed some light on these sorts of issues. (Of these, ME is the only one not defaulted on) On 05-Feb-16 16:05, Will Senn wrote: I got it working :). However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros in the library. I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips and hints were much more useful. So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): .type et2.mac .TITLE ETTYIN .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART . .type tin.mac .MACROTINCHAR EMT^O340 BCS.-2. .IF NB .IF DIF ,R0 MOVBR0,CHAR .ENDC .ENDC .ENDM .lib/mac/c tin tin .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib .link et2 .run et2 THIS IS A TEST THIS IS A TEST ^C . I really appreciate y'alls assistance. Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 And then I ran it via run macro: .run macro *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 * And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: .TITLE ETTYIN .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART and recompiled: .macro et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro definition? Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing lis
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
Too many loose ends to declare victory. The RT-11 librarian doesn't have a list command for macros; they were second class citizens. It's available on other DEC OS's librians, so I must have crossed a memory. Names with a '.' or '$' are reserved to DEC. But I don't think this should impact how the search is conducted. I'm pretty sure I had private libraries with .foo names (legal, as I was in DEC :-) In .FOO, '.' is part of the symbol name. See http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RT-11/AA-5075A-TC%20PDP-11%20MACRO-11%20Language%20Reference%20Manual.pdf Page 3-6; also chapter 7, section 7.8. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/rt11/v5.6_Aug91/AA-PDU0A-TC_RT-11_Commands_Manual_Aug91.pdf describes the DCL: e.g. EXECUTE MYLIB/LIBRARY+C.MAC/LIST/OBJECT I don't suppose that you got it trouble for explicitly specifying .MLB? That would be strange. But DCL for RT11 came after I stopped using RT11. You didn't provide the .LST file, which is where the real error should turn up. Also, .list MD, MC and ME will often shed some light on these sorts of issues. (Of these, ME is the only one not defaulted on) On 05-Feb-16 16:05, Will Senn wrote: > I got it working :). > > However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the > system utilities manual: > The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory > (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for > macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros > in the library. > > I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around > inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no > diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips > and hints were much more useful. > > So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined > macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): > > .type et2.mac > .TITLE ETTYIN > .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN > > START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 > CLRR2 > INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ > INCR2 > CMPB#12,R0 > BNEINLOOP > MOV#BUFFER,R1 > OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ > DECR2 > BEQSTART > BROUTLOOP > BUFFER:.BLKW64. > .ENDSTART > . > > .type tin.mac > .MACROTINCHAR > EMT^O340 > BCS.-2. > .IF NB > .IF DIF ,R0 > MOVBR0,CHAR > .ENDC > .ENDC > .ENDM > > .lib/mac/c tin tin > > .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib > > .link et2 > > .run et2 > THIS IS A TEST > THIS IS A TEST > ^C > > . > > I really appreciate y'alls assistance. > > Thanks, > > Will > > On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: >> Try the obvious: >> >> lib/mac/list tin.mlb >> >> I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or >> /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. >> >> That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. >> >> On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: >>> On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: > > All, > > A couple of questions: > > ... > lib/mac/c tin tin > macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul >>> I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: >>> .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross >>> ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 >>> DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 >>> >>> And then I ran it via run macro: >>> .run macro >>> *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 >>> ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 >>> ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 >>> * >>> >>> And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: >>> .TITLE ETTYIN >>> .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ >>> .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN >>> >>> START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 >>> CLRR2 >>> INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ >>> INCR2 >>> CMPB#12,R0 >>> BNEINLOOP >>> MOV#BUFFER,R1 >>> OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ >>> DECR2 >>> BEQSTART >>> BROUTLOOP >>> BUFFER:.BLKW64. >>> .ENDSTART >>> >>> and recompiled: >>> .macro et2/list/cross >>> ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 >>> DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 >>> >>> It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro >>> definition? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> ___ >>> Simh mailing list >>> Simh@trailing-edge.com >>> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh >> >> >> ___ >> Simh mailing list >> Simh@trailing-edge.com >> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > > > > _
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2016-02-05 22:05, Will Senn wrote: I got it working :). Excellent. However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros in the library. What? That sounds just weird. And that would be very different from the librarian utility in RSX, which definitely can list such things. Oh well. I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips and hints were much more useful. That is even more weird, and also very different from in RSX, where you can definitely do exactly what you tried here. I guess there is a reason I'm not using RT-11... :-) Johnny So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): .type et2.mac .TITLE ETTYIN .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART . .type tin.mac .MACROTINCHAR EMT^O340 BCS.-2. .IF NB .IF DIF ,R0 MOVBR0,CHAR .ENDC .ENDC .ENDM .lib/mac/c tin tin .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib .link et2 .run et2 THIS IS A TEST THIS IS A TEST ^C . I really appreciate y'alls assistance. Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 And then I ran it via run macro: .run macro *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 * And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: .TITLE ETTYIN .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART and recompiled: .macro et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro definition? Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
I got it working :). However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input file to list the macros in the library. I did a bunch more reading and figured out that the issue was around inconsistent/improper use of the leading dot. Interestingly, no diagnostic I could find was helpful in tracking this down. Y'alls tips and hints were much more useful. So, here's how it went down (don't use a leading dot for user-defined macros, but if you do use them, use them everywhere): .type et2.mac .TITLE ETTYIN .MCALL.TTYOUT,TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART . .type tin.mac .MACROTINCHAR EMT^O340 BCS.-2. .IF NB .IF DIF ,R0 MOVBR0,CHAR .ENDC .ENDC .ENDM .lib/mac/c tin tin .macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib .link et2 .run et2 THIS IS A TEST THIS IS A TEST ^C . I really appreciate y'alls assistance. Thanks, Will On 2/5/16 12:19 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 And then I ran it via run macro: .run macro *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 * And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: .TITLE ETTYIN .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART and recompiled: .macro et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro definition? Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2016-02-05 19:33, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2016-02-05 19:28, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that the files are concatenated together, and a comma might be a better separator to use. No, in the DCL command, + is correct. The meaning of + is that you're listing several files that contribute to a single output, while comma means you're doing several separate operations. I believe the following are both legal: macro a,b,c macro a+b+c The first does three assemblies: a, then b, then c, producing three separate outputs; the second does a single assembly using files a, b, and c as the inputs. Thanks for the clarification. I think that I said something that ends up meaning the same thing, but my wording was probably totally confusing. Either way, in this case that cannot be the problem anyway, but using '+' with a library file seems somewhat "odd", but that might just be me. Right now I'm curious to just get confirmed if the library file indeed holds the macro. Interesting detail for those curios. In DCL under RSX, "," and "+" are equivalent for MACRO-11, and the name of the output will actually be the last file in the list. PDP-11 C on the other hand do handle "," and "+" the way you describe it, Paul. (In RSX) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2016-02-05 19:28, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that the files are concatenated together, and a comma might be a better separator to use. No, in the DCL command, + is correct. The meaning of + is that you're listing several files that contribute to a single output, while comma means you're doing several separate operations. I believe the following are both legal: macro a,b,c macro a+b+c The first does three assemblies: a, then b, then c, producing three separate outputs; the second does a single assembly using files a, b, and c as the inputs. Thanks for the clarification. I think that I said something that ends up meaning the same thing, but my wording was probably totally confusing. Either way, in this case that cannot be the problem anyway, but using '+' with a library file seems somewhat "odd", but that might just be me. Right now I'm curious to just get confirmed if the library file indeed holds the macro. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > ... > Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide > several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that > the files are concatenated together, and a comma might be a better separator > to use. No, in the DCL command, + is correct. The meaning of + is that you're listing several files that contribute to a single output, while comma means you're doing several separate operations. I believe the following are both legal: macro a,b,c macro a+b+c The first does three assemblies: a, then b, then c, producing three separate outputs; the second does a single assembly using files a, b, and c as the inputs. paul ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: > > > On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> A couple of questions: >>> >>> ... >>> lib/mac/c tin tin >>> macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib >>> ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 >>> DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML >> Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe >> MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here >> you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro >> library it needs to understand the .MCALL. >> >> paul >> > I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: > .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 > > And then I ran it via run macro: > .run macro > *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 > * > > And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: > .TITLE ETTYIN > .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ > .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN > > START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 > CLRR2 > INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ > INCR2 > CMPB#12,R0 > BNEINLOOP > MOV#BUFFER,R1 > OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ > DECR2 > BEQSTART > BROUTLOOP > BUFFER:.BLKW64. > .ENDSTART > > and recompiled: > .macro et2/list/cross > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 > > It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro > definition? > > Thanks, > > Will > > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2016-02-05 19:05, Will Senn wrote: On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: [...] I have some problems helping, as this is RT-11. I would definitely know better how to troubleshoot this in RSX. :-/ It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro definition? I'm sure there is a way to list what macros exist in the library file. Could you check that your macro really exists there. Also extract it, to see that it indeed looks correct. Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that the files are concatenated together, and a comma might be a better separator to use. However, since .LIBRARY also fails, this cannot really be the problem. So I'm a bit lost why it fails for you. Starting by checking your library would be good. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul I tried the command with the filespecs switched with the same result: .macro tin.MLB/lib+et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:TIN,DK:ET2/C=DK:TIN.MLB/M,DK:ET2 And then I ran it via run macro: .run macro *ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 ET2.OBJ,ET2.LST,ET2.LST=TIN.MLB/M,ET2 * And then I edited the macro file to include a LIBRARY directive: .TITLE ETTYIN .LIBRARY /TIN.MLB/ .MCALL.TTYOUT,.TIN START:MOV#BUFFER,R1 CLRR2 INLOOP:.TIN(R1)+ INCR2 CMPB#12,R0 BNEINLOOP MOV#BUFFER,R1 OUTLOOP:.TTYOUT(R1)+ DECR2 BEQSTART BROUTLOOP BUFFER:.BLKW64. .ENDSTART and recompiled: .macro et2/list/cross ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2 It looks to me like it is finding the file, but not "seeing" the macro definition? Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
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Subject: Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
Will Senn asks on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 09:48:14 -0600 about
macros in RT11.
I have a copy of this book on my shelf
@String{pub-PH = "Pren{\-}tice-Hall"}
@String{pub-PH:adr = "Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458, USA"}
@Book{Eckhouse:1979:MSO,
author = "Richard H. {Eckhouse, Jr.} and L. Robert Morris",
title ="Minicomputer systems: organization, programming, and
applications ({PDP-11})",
publisher =pub-PH,
address = pub-PH:adr,
pages ="xix + 491",
year = "1979",
ISBN = "0-13-583914-9",
ISBN-13 = "978-0-13-583914-0",
LCCN = "QA76.8.P2E26 1979",
bibdate = "Fri Aug 07 17:22:02 1998",
bibsource ="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/master.bib";,
acknowledgement = ack-nhfb,
}
and find that it has a lot of assembly code examples, and about a dozen pages
on user-defined macros.
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Just pulled my well-worn copy of Eckhouse/Morris...
Great book. I used it extensively when I was writing real-time code for a
company I worked for way-back-when.
Really great examples of Macro-11 coding techniques. Especially coroutines.
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Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
On 2016-02-05 17:20, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. I think Paul is right here. It's a question of ordering. MACRO-11 will only search through the libraries it knows about when hitting the .MCALL. A file that comes after on the command line will not be searched in files before. You can also use .LIBRARY in the macro file itself, to add additional macro library files to be searched. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: > > All, > > A couple of questions: > > ... > lib/mac/c tin tin > macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command line. I believe MACRO processes command arguments as it encounters them, so here you're asking it to assemble ET2 before you've given it the macro library it needs to understand the .MCALL. paul ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)
Will Senn asks on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 09:48:14 -0600 about
macros in RT11.
I have a copy of this book on my shelf
@String{pub-PH = "Pren{\-}tice-Hall"}
@String{pub-PH:adr = "Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458, USA"}
@Book{Eckhouse:1979:MSO,
author = "Richard H. {Eckhouse, Jr.} and L. Robert Morris",
title ="Minicomputer systems: organization, programming, and
applications ({PDP-11})",
publisher =pub-PH,
address = pub-PH:adr,
pages ="xix + 491",
year = "1979",
ISBN = "0-13-583914-9",
ISBN-13 = "978-0-13-583914-0",
LCCN = "QA76.8.P2E26 1979",
bibdate = "Fri Aug 07 17:22:02 1998",
bibsource ="http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/master.bib";,
acknowledgement = ack-nhfb,
}
and find that it has a lot of assembly code examples, and about a dozen
pages on user-defined macros.
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- University of UtahFAX: +1 801 581 4148 -
- Department of Mathematics, 110 LCBInternet e-mail: be...@math.utah.edu -
- 155 S 1400 E RM 233 be...@acm.org be...@computer.org -
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