Re: [singularity] Multi-Multi-....-Multiverse
OK, but why can't they all be dumped in a single 'normal' multiverse? If traveling between them is accommodated by 'decisions', there is a finite number of them for any given time, so it shouldn't pose structural problems. The whacko, speculative SF hypothesis is that lateral movement btw Yverses is conducted according to ordinary laws of physics, whereas vertical movement btw Yverses is conducted via extraphysical psychic actions ;-)' ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=90975788-c6f349
Re: [singularity] Multi-Multi-....-Multiverse
On Jan 29, 2008 11:49 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but why can't they all be dumped in a single 'normal' multiverse? If traveling between them is accommodated by 'decisions', there is a finite number of them for any given time, so it shouldn't pose structural problems. The whacko, speculative SF hypothesis is that lateral movement btw Yverses is conducted according to ordinary laws of physics, whereas vertical movement btw Yverses is conducted via extraphysical psychic actions ;-)' What differentiates psychic actions from non-psychic so that they can't be considered ordinary? If I can do both, why aren't they both equally ordinary to me (and everyone else)?.. -- Vladimir Nesovmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=91036630-4898ad
Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?
On 29 Jan 2008, at 00:38, Thomas McCabe wrote: Check out Ramachandran: Without a doubt it is one of the most important discoveries ever made about the brain, Mirror neurons will do for psychology what DNA did for biology. They will provide a unifying framework and help explain a host of mental abilities that have hitherto remained mysterious... Mirror neurons *do* seem like an important discovery in cognitive science, but they're specific to humans (and other animals with complex nervous systems), not to intelligences in general. The general principle (look at another system and copy its behavior) can be applied just as easily to purely electronic systems as physical ones. Remember COPYCAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_%28software%29)? Sorry I was under the impression that an electronic system is sort of physical, too. Perhaps, the question is what kind of physical system becomes relevant. Electronic particles ... blabla Read Sandra Blakeslee - The Body has a Mind of its Own - also just out. [She did Jeff Hawkins before]. The author is a professional writer, not a scientist, and has no published papers that I can find. To quote from the front page of the book's website (http://www.thebodyhasamindofitsown.com): Your body has a mind of its own. You know it's true. You can feel it, you can sense it, even though it may be hard to articulate. You know your body is more than just a meat-vehicle for your mind to cruise around in, but how deeply are mind, brain and body truly interwoven? This is clearly 'pop sci' writing, probably with little technical content. Ha, technical content. Now we're touching an interesting area. What is this technical content, please. Science does not equal technic(al). Non science ditto. If Blakeslees's text is non-technical as contrary to the definition of technical below, then it could be quite a good reading for a scientist, it might be interesting, because this scients might want to either disprove something or look into the content of this book and find something interesting without dismissing it as not peer-reviewed or that the person has not published enough. By the way, we all have to start from somewhere. Silly me, I thought that good scientists do not dismiss everything that does not immediately fit into ones research (or is not found on a hit list of super publishers) Thought this definition from OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is helpful: 3. a. Belonging or relating to an art or arts; appropriate or peculiar to, or characteristic of, a particular art, science, profession, or occupation; also, of or pertaining to the mechanical arts and applied sciences generally, as in technical education, or technical college, school, university. Gudrun - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - Tom - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; fbefc6 - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=91105823-402db5
Re: [singularity] Multi-Multi-....-Multiverse
On 29 Jan 2008, at 14:13, Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Jan 29, 2008 11:49 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but why can't they all be dumped in a single 'normal' multiverse? If traveling between them is accommodated by 'decisions', there is a finite number of them for any given time, so it shouldn't pose structural problems. The whacko, speculative SF hypothesis is that lateral movement btw Yverses is conducted according to ordinary laws of physics, whereas vertical movement btw Yverses is conducted via extraphysical psychic actions ;-)' What differentiates psychic actions from non-psychic so that they can't be considered ordinary? If I can do both, why aren't they both equally ordinary to me (and everyone else)?.. Is a psychic action telepathy, for example? If I am a schizophrenic and hear voices, is this a psychic experience? What is a psychic action FOR YOU, or in your set of definitions? Do you propose that you are able of psychic actions within a set frame of definitions or do you experience psychic actions and redefine your environment because of this? Or is it all in the mind? Isn't it only ordinary, if experienced repetitively . Gudrun -- Vladimir Nesovmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; -3ffb4f - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=91059575-25896c
