Re: [singularity] Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Whatever you define consciousness to be (for example, episodic memory), that property would exist in a computer running the same program as your brain. It has nothing to do with quantum mechanics or the properties of neurons. --- Bertromavich Edenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For Virtual AI or General > I think if we need to make the AI's morelike us and able to function as > human beings we need to give them basicequations that make them think. > Like These: > >QUANTUM MECHANICS AND CONSCIOUSNESS > > Getting back to established scientific theory, normal waking > consciousness occurs when the nerve cell firing rate (synaptic > switching rate) is high enough to spread out the waves associated > with electrons to fill the gaps between nerve cells (synaptic > clefts) with waves of probability of similar amplitude. This is > described mathematically by the quantum mechanical mechanism of > tunneling. These waves are interconnected throughout regions of > the brain through resonances, resulting in a large, complex, > unified, quantum mechanically defined resonance matrix filling a > region in the brain. The waves are interconnected with each > other and with information storage and sensory input mechanisms > within these regions of the brain. > > > 861 > > The nerve cell firing rate (v') at which this occurs has been > modeled mathematically by Evan Harris Walker (at the U.S. Army > Ballistics Center at Aberdeen Proving Ground) and corresponds to > the threshold between waking and sleeping consciousness in people > and animals. For normal waking consciousness to exist, the > synapse transmission frequency for the brain (v') must satisfy > the condition: > > 2/3 >v' must be greater than or equal to N/T > > > where: > >N = The total number of synapses in the brain (in humans, > about 5E11) > >T = Synaptic transmission delay time (the time interval > required for the propagation of the excitation energy > from one synapse to another) > > > This theory ascribes consciousness to an association of the > events occurring at any one synapse with events occurring at > other synapses in the brain by means of a quantum mechanical > propagation of information. The sense of individual identity is > an aspect of the continuity of the wave matrix residing in the > brain [4]. > > > 862 > > QUANTUM MECHANICS AND PSYCHOKINESIS > > By merely observing a phenomenon (resonating ones brain with it) > one can affect the outcome, since the physical mechanisms in your > brain are part of the wave matrix described by quantum mechanics. > The information handling rate in resonance determines the amount > of effect, along with the elapsed time of resonance and the > probability distribution of the phenomenon you are observing > [5]. According to Evan Harris Walker, quantum mechanical state > selection can be biased by an observer if [5]: > > >W te is greater than or equal to -Log P(Qo-Qi) > Q 2 > > where: > > > P(Qo-Qi) = Probability that state Qi will occur by chance > alone > >W = Information handling rate in process in brain > Qassociated with state vector selection (bits/sec) > > te = Elapsed time > > Q = Overall state vector > > Qo = Initial physical state of system > > Qi = State that manifests 'paranormal' target event > > > The effect of consciousness is incredibly small on macroscopic > systems; but it can be measurable when it occurs on quantum > mechanically defined and divergent systems, where a slight change > can amplify itself as it propagates through the system. The > effect is about 1E-17 degrees on the angle of the bounce of cubes > going down an inclined plane. Changes in the angle of bounce > result in changes in displacement of the cubes that increase > about 50% on every bounce, and the effect is measurable after > many bounces [6]. The theory successfully and quantitatively > modeled the differing amounts of displacement observed in > experiments on cubes of different weights and weight > distributions [5]. > > Walker also modeled information retrieval in 'guess the card' > experiments. Simple, classical, random chance would predict a > smooth, binomial curve for the probabilities of getting the right > answer ver
Re: [singularity] Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness
I'm sorry, but this is not "getting back to established scientific theory" - I have met Evan Harris Walker, have read his book (at least in the draft form that he gave me in 1982) and as a physicist I know enough quantum mechanics to know that his theory is complete bunkum. There is no need for quantum tunneling across synapses, because there are well established molecular transport mechanisms that do this. Who cares about one electron in a billion getting across when several billion electrons, and other junk, gets across by quite ordinary means? Also, his theory is like many others in that it explains "consciousness" before it even says what consciousness is. A bit like having a complete, quantum mechanical theory of the Easter Bunny before being able to specify exactly what the bunny is supposed to be. I believe there are viable theories of what consciousness is, and what its explanation is (you will have to wait for my book to come out before you see why I would be so confident), so if you are anxious that a future AI should have consciousness, I believe this can easily be arranged. Richard Loosemore Bertromavich Edenburg wrote: For Virtual AI or General I think if we need to make the AI's morelike us and able to function as human beings we need to give them basicequations that make them think. Like These: QUANTUM MECHANICS AND CONSCIOUSNESS Getting back to established scientific theory, normal waking consciousness occurs when the nerve cell firing rate (synaptic switching rate) is high enough to spread out the waves associated with electrons to fill the gaps between nerve cells (synaptic clefts) with waves of probability of similar amplitude. This is described mathematically by the quantum mechanical mechanism of tunneling. These waves are interconnected throughout regions of the brain through resonances, resulting in a large, complex, unified, quantum mechanically defined resonance matrix filling a region in the brain. The waves are interconnected with each other and with information storage and sensory input mechanisms within these regions of the brain. 861 The nerve cell firing rate (v') at which this occurs has been modeled mathematically by Evan Harris Walker (at the U.S. Army Ballistics Center at Aberdeen Proving Ground) and corresponds to the threshold between waking and sleeping consciousness in people and animals. For normal waking consciousness to exist, the synapse transmission frequency for the brain (v') must satisfy the condition: 2/3 v' must be greater than or equal to N /T where: N = The total number of synapses in the brain (in humans, about 5E11) T = Synaptic transmission delay time (the time interval required for the propagation of the excitation energy from one synapse to another) This theory ascribes consciousness to an association of the events occurring at any one synapse with events occurring at other synapses in the brain by means of a quantum mechanical propagation of information. The sense of individual identity is an aspect of the continuity of the wave matrix residing in the brain [4]. 862 QUANTUM MECHANICS AND PSYCHOKINESIS By merely observing a phenomenon (resonating ones brain with it) one can affect the outcome, since the physical mechanisms in your brain are part of the wave matrix described by quantum mechanics. The information handling rate in resonance determines the amount of effect, along with the elapsed time of resonance and the probability distribution of the phenomenon you are observing [5]. According to Evan Harris Walker, quantum mechanical state selection can be biased by an observer if [5]: W te is greater than or equal to -Log P(Qo-Qi) Q 2 where: P(Qo-Qi) = Probability that state Qi will occur by chance alone W = Information handling rate in process in brain Q associated with state vector selection (bits/sec) te = Elapsed time Q = Overall state vector Qo = Initial physical state of system Qi = State that manifests 'paranormal' target event The effect of consciousness is incredibly small on macroscopic systems; but it can be measurable when it occurs on quantum mechanically defined and divergent systems, where a slight change can amplify itself as it propagates through the system. The effect is about 1E-17 degrees on the angle of the bounce of cubes going down an inclined plane. Changes in the angle of bounce result in changes in displacement of the cubes that increase about 50% on every bounce, and the effect is measurable after many bounces [6]. The theory successfully and quantitatively modeled the differing amounts of displacement observed in experiments on cubes of different weights and weight distributions [5]. Walker also modeled information retrieval in 'guess the card' experiments. Simple, classical, random chance would predict a smooth, binomial curve for the probabilities of getting the right answer versus the number of subjects making successful predictions at these probabilities. Walke
[singularity] Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness
For Virtual AI or General I think if we need to make the AI's morelike us and able to function as human beings we need to give them basicequations that make them think. Like These: QUANTUM MECHANICS AND CONSCIOUSNESS Getting back to established scientific theory, normal waking consciousness occurs when the nerve cell firing rate (synaptic switching rate) is high enough to spread out the waves associated with electrons to fill the gaps between nerve cells (synaptic clefts) with waves of probability of similar amplitude. This is described mathematically by the quantum mechanical mechanism of tunneling. These waves are interconnected throughout regions of the brain through resonances, resulting in a large, complex, unified, quantum mechanically defined resonance matrix filling a region in the brain. The waves are interconnected with each other and with information storage and sensory input mechanisms within these regions of the brain. 861 The nerve cell firing rate (v') at which this occurs has been modeled mathematically by Evan Harris Walker (at the U.S. Army Ballistics Center at Aberdeen Proving Ground) and corresponds to the threshold between waking and sleeping consciousness in people and animals. For normal waking consciousness to exist, the synapse transmission frequency for the brain (v') must satisfy the condition: 2/3 v' must be greater than or equal to N/T where: N = The total number of synapses in the brain (in humans, about 5E11) T = Synaptic transmission delay time (the time interval required for the propagation of the excitation energy from one synapse to another) This theory ascribes consciousness to an association of the events occurring at any one synapse with events occurring at other synapses in the brain by means of a quantum mechanical propagation of information. The sense of individual identity is an aspect of the continuity of the wave matrix residing in the brain [4]. 862 QUANTUM MECHANICS AND PSYCHOKINESIS By merely observing a phenomenon (resonating ones brain with it) one can affect the outcome, since the physical mechanisms in your brain are part of the wave matrix described by quantum mechanics. The information handling rate in resonance determines the amount of effect, along with the elapsed time of resonance and the probability distribution of the phenomenon you are observing [5]. According to Evan Harris Walker, quantum mechanical state selection can be biased by an observer if [5]: W te is greater than or equal to -Log P(Qo-Qi) Q 2 where: P(Qo-Qi) = Probability that state Qi will occur by chance alone W = Information handling rate in process in brain Qassociated with state vector selection (bits/sec) te = Elapsed time Q = Overall state vector Qo = Initial physical state of system Qi = State that manifests 'paranormal' target event The effect of consciousness is incredibly small on macroscopic systems; but it can be measurable when it occurs on quantum mechanically defined and divergent systems, where a slight change can amplify itself as it propagates through the system. The effect is about 1E-17 degrees on the angle of the bounce of cubes going down an inclined plane. Changes in the angle of bounce result in changes in displacement of the cubes that increase about 50% on every bounce, and the effect is measurable after many bounces [6]. The theory successfully and quantitatively modeled the differing amounts of displacement observed in experiments on cubes of different weights and weight distributions [5]. Walker also modeled information retrieval in 'guess the card' experiments. Simple, classical, random chance would predict a smooth, binomial curve for the probabilities of getting the right answer versus the number of subjects making successful predictions at these probabilities. Walker's model predicts that the curve would have peaks at certain levels of probability of getting the right answer above those predicted by chance alone. Experimental data showed peaks at the locations modeled. However, more people were successful at the higher probability levels than Walker's model estimated. This is considered to be evidence of learning enhancement [5]. In the world of the weird
[singularity] Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness
For Virtual AI or General I think if we need to make the AI's morelike us and able to function as human beings we need to give them basicequations that make them think. Like These: QUANTUM MECHANICS AND CONSCIOUSNESS Getting back to established scientific theory, normal waking consciousness occurs when the nerve cell firing rate (synaptic switching rate) is high enough to spread out the waves associated with electrons to fill the gaps between nerve cells (synaptic clefts) with waves of probability of similar amplitude. This is described mathematically by the quantum mechanical mechanism of tunneling. These waves are interconnected throughout regions of the brain through resonances, resulting in a large, complex, unified, quantum mechanically defined resonance matrix filling a region in the brain. The waves are interconnected with each other and with information storage and sensory input mechanisms within these regions of the brain. 861 The nerve cell firing rate (v') at which this occurs has been modeled mathematically by Evan Harris Walker (at the U.S. Army Ballistics Center at Aberdeen Proving Ground) and corresponds to the threshold between waking and sleeping consciousness in people and animals. For normal waking consciousness to exist, the synapse transmission frequency for the brain (v') must satisfy the condition: 2/3 v' must be greater than or equal to N/T where: N = The total number of synapses in the brain (in humans, about 5E11) T = Synaptic transmission delay time (the time interval required for the propagation of the excitation energy from one synapse to another) This theory ascribes consciousness to an association of the events occurring at any one synapse with events occurring at other synapses in the brain by means of a quantum mechanical propagation of information. The sense of individual identity is an aspect of the continuity of the wave matrix residing in the brain [4]. 862 QUANTUM MECHANICS AND PSYCHOKINESIS By merely observing a phenomenon (resonating ones brain with it) one can affect the outcome, since the physical mechanisms in your brain are part of the wave matrix described by quantum mechanics. The information handling rate in resonance determines the amount of effect, along with the elapsed time of resonance and the probability distribution of the phenomenon you are observing [5]. According to Evan Harris Walker, quantum mechanical state selection can be biased by an observer if [5]: W te is greater than or equal to -Log P(Qo-Qi) Q 2 where: P(Qo-Qi) = Probability that state Qi will occur by chance alone W = Information handling rate in process in brain Qassociated with state vector selection (bits/sec) te = Elapsed time Q = Overall state vector Qo = Initial physical state of system Qi = State that manifests 'paranormal' target event The effect of consciousness is incredibly small on macroscopic systems; but it can be measurable when it occurs on quantum mechanically defined and divergent systems, where a slight change can amplify itself as it propagates through the system. The effect is about 1E-17 degrees on the angle of the bounce of cubes going down an inclined plane. Changes in the angle of bounce result in changes in displacement of the cubes that increase about 50% on every bounce, and the effect is measurable after many bounces [6]. The theory successfully and quantitatively modeled the differing amounts of displacement observed in experiments on cubes of different weights and weight distributions [5]. Walker also modeled information retrieval in 'guess the card' experiments. Simple, classical, random chance would predict a smooth, binomial curve for the probabilities of getting the right answer versus the number of subjects making successful predictions at these probabilities. Walker's model predicts that the curve would have peaks at certain levels of probability of getting the right answer above those predicted by chance alone. Experimental data showed peaks at the locations modeled. However, more people were successful at the higher probability levels than Walker's model estimated. This is considered to be evidence of learning enhancement [5]. In the world of the weird
Re: [singularity] future of mankind blueprint and relevance of AGI
Hi Phillip, Unless you're willing to present a great deal of evidence in relation to ET or time machines, its probably best you not mention them, for I hope, obvious reasons. Isolate states exporting anarchy or not attempting to participate in > globalized workforce. Begin measuring purchasing parity adjusted annual cost > to provide a Guaranteed Annual Income (GAI) in various nations. Anarchy technically means "no rulers," though by anarchy you may mean "chaos." Socially speaking, you might want to consider it a lack or unwillingness to collaborate or communicate rather hinting at incomprehensibility. Bryan, it would seem we're kindred spirits on this subject. ;) A basic income would help encourage those to work in more self motivated ways rather than by coerced social pressures to "get a job" "because you have to" "to pay the bills." Because of labor deskilling caused by productive development overall, the unfolding of AGI will be another can of worms to trump all previous cans filled with worms, no doubt. A GAI, or even more cleverly rearranged as "GIA" would hint at "socialist" underpinnings of basic income proposals. 3) Brainstomring of industries required to maximize longeivty, and to handle > technologies and wield social systems essential for safely transitioning > first to a medical/health, then to a leisure society. By longevity do you mean the continuation of distributed resources? Industry usually entails methods of profit making, none of which will occur once abundant resources sink markets that where once proprietary in nature. I formed an organization to tackle your #3. Its certainly a topic likely for more discussion as labor economies tank. For now, we're just a bunch of cukes involved in the so-called technological unemployment debate. 8) Mature medical ethics needed. Mature medical AI safeguards needed. > Education in all medical AI-relevant sectors. Begin measuring AI medical R+D > advances vs. human researcher medical R+D advances. Why the emphasis on health? Running a fever are you? ;P Potentially powerful occupations and consumer goods will require increased > surveillence. Brainstorming metrics to determine the most responsible > handlers of a #13 technology (I suggest something like the CDI Index as a > ranking). I think it would be better to build safe guards into produced items that prevent measures for surveillance. CDI analysis will eventually transition from monetary figures to resource allocation statistics, measuring in the realms of physics rather than financial figures, because money will gradually lose face. To maintain security for some applications it may be necessary to engineer > entire cities from scratch. Sensors should be designed to maximize human > privacy rights. The is a heighten risk of WWIII from this period on until > just after the technology is developed. The progress made in the open source community suggests strongly that open and freely available tools, if applied to all resource domains, would prevent potential global warfare. Dinosaur economies rely on this warfare business when money doesn't circulate, and this lack of circulation is often due to greed. Hoarding and scarcity insights war. Abundance fosters peace. Of course, there isn't much money in either abundance or peace, so let us hope the ride isn't too rocky before abundant society is the norm. Perhaps abundant thinking will catch on and spread much like the internet did, deemed by default as a worthwhile universal endeavor. Resistance to abundance and adherent measures that insist on scarcity based economies will only cause more bloodshed as more productive technologies develop. Information wants to be free. Safe AGI/AI software programs would be needed before desired humane > applications should be used. Need mature sciences of psychology and > psychiatry to assist the benevolent administration of this technology. Basic > Human Rights, goods and services should be administered to all where > tyrannical regimes don't possess military parity. Yes. AGI could help distribute resources in a way less arguably fair and reduce harm to a minimum. If AGI is introduced it will collapse scarce economies, and all of them over time, allocating resources and spatial boundaries in an abundant or more preferred manner. I suggest at this point invoking a Utilitarian system like Mark Walker's > "Angelic Heirarchy" Preference Utilitarianism is a good one. Social heirarchy, whether angelic or otherwise, poses problems. It fuels one-upmentships, creates classes, rewards or punishes, and environments that compete for arbitrary reasons. There are of course many tastes. Maybe some folks will prefer this angelic hierarchy business. Like anything, it's not for everyone. AGI could help match different personalities and establish places for a variety of political behaviors. Nathan --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/11983/=n
