Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-06-14 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/11/2014 11:18 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/11/2014 10:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 02:55 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes 
 will be made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum 
 requirement of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump 
 hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to a requirement of 1.1.5 as
 this can potentially be in another security context / zone,
 however I'm giving this a grace period of (at least) 45-60
 days to allow server administrators to upgrade their
 servers.
 
 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security 
 fixes to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising
 the latter statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for
 affected servers instead of relying on the version information.
 This is currently active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS
 pool should now show up with an orange flag for the HKPS column.
 
 
 Adding to that, this would also keep servers that are protected due
 to the reverse proxy configuration remaining.

As only one server was left in the HKPS pool that hasn't been updated
to fix this issue (or behind a rprox protecting it for it), the
procedures have now been activated to discard this server.

As of now the HKPS pool should be safe for CVE-2014-3207.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-12 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/12/2014 07:40 AM, Gabor Kiss wrote:
 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security
 fixes to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising
 the latter statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for
 affected servers instead of relying on the version information.
 This is currently active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS
 pool should now show up with an orange flag for the HKPS column.
 
 Eeerr... I know I speak against myself but keys.niif.hu is waiting
 for backported 1.1.5 Debian package but it got green flag.
 
 Gabor

Your reverse proxy is URLencoding the input, so curl
http://$1:11371/pks/lookup/undefined1ScRiPtprompt('CVE-2014-3207')/ScRiPt
 actually gives back /style/headbodyh1Page not found/h1Page
not found:
/pks/lookup/undefined1%3CScRiPt%3Eprompt('CVE-2014-3207')%3C/ScRiPt%3E/body/html
which should not be exploitable.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-12 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/12/2014 01:34 AM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/11/2014 05:18 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/11/2014 10:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 02:55 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following
 changes will be made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum 
 requirement of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump 
 hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to a requirement of 1.1.5 as
 this can potentially be in another security context / zone,
 however I'm giving this a grace period of (at least) 45-60
 days to allow server administrators to upgrade their
 servers.
 
 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security 
 fixes to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising
 the latter statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for
 affected servers instead of relying on the version information.
 This is currently active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS
 pool should now show up with an orange flag for the HKPS
 column.
 
 
 Adding to that, this would also keep servers that are protected
 due to the reverse proxy configuration remaining.
 
 
 So where are the details on how the reverse proxy can be
 reconfigured to mitigate this issue until sks is upgraded? Assuming
 I'm understanding your statement correctly.
 

For apache used as proxy, look into Normally, mod_proxy will
canonicalise ProxyPassed URLs. But this may be incompatible with some
backends, particularly those that make use of PATH_INFO. The optional
nocanon keyword suppresses this, and passes the URL path raw to the
backend. Note that may affect the security of your backend, as it
removes the normal limited protection against URL-based attacks
provided by the proxy.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_proxy.html#proxypass



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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-11 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/06/2014 02:55 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes will
 be made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum
 requirement of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump
 hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to a requirement of 1.1.5 as this
 can potentially be in another security context / zone, however
 I'm giving this a grace period of (at least) 45-60 days to allow
 server administrators to upgrade their servers.

In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security fixes
to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising the latter
statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for affected servers
instead of relying on the version information. This is currently
active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS pool should now show up
with an orange flag for the HKPS column.


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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-11 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/11/2014 10:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 02:55 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes
 will be made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum 
 requirement of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump 
 hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to a requirement of 1.1.5 as this 
 can potentially be in another security context / zone, however 
 I'm giving this a grace period of (at least) 45-60 days to
 allow server administrators to upgrade their servers.
 
 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security
 fixes to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising the
 latter statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for affected
 servers instead of relying on the version information. This is
 currently active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS pool should
 now show up with an orange flag for the HKPS column.
 

Adding to that, this would also keep servers that are protected due to
the reverse proxy configuration remaining.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-11 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 05/11/2014 05:18 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/11/2014 10:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 02:55 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
 On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,

 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes
 will be made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net

 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum 
 requirement of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.

 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump 
 hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to a requirement of 1.1.5 as this 
 can potentially be in another security context / zone, however 
 I'm giving this a grace period of (at least) 45-60 days to
 allow server administrators to upgrade their servers.

 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security
 fixes to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising the
 latter statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for affected
 servers instead of relying on the version information. This is
 currently active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS pool should
 now show up with an orange flag for the HKPS column.

 
 Adding to that, this would also keep servers that are protected due to
 the reverse proxy configuration remaining.
 

So where are the details on how the reverse proxy can be reconfigured
to mitigate this issue until sks is upgraded? Assuming I'm understanding
your statement correctly.



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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-11 Thread Gabor Kiss
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 In recognition of package-maintainers backporting the security fixes
 to older versions of SKS for stable systems I'm revising the latter
 statement a bit. I have now implemented a test for affected servers
 instead of relying on the version information. This is currently
 active, and non-patched servers in the HKPS pool should now show up
 with an orange flag for the HKPS column.

Eeerr... I know I speak against myself but keys.niif.hu is
waiting for backported 1.1.5 Debian package but it got
green flag.

Gabor
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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-07 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 05/06/2014 11:22 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
 On 2014-05-06 at 17:53 +0200, Dinko Korunic wrote:
 IMO delisting is fine as long as there is proper communication 
 involved and people actually are aware that's going on -- I'm
 sure that not all the SKS administrators read the sks-devel on a 
 daily/weekly basis.
 
 For clarity, this becomes: there's a chance that for a window of a 
 couple of weeks, the only SKS administrators who will be in the 
 rarely-used subset pool will be those who read SKS email daily.
 
 There's a chance that Kristian's main pool will become a set of
 servers run only by administrators who check their email at least
 every 45 days. This being the pool of keyservers which are the
 default for a number of mainstream clients.

Just to further clarify, as stated originally I don't expect to be
making any change to the main pool at this time, so it would actually
only affect the hkps pool that is expected to be (more) secure due to
its TLS-nature.


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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes will be
 made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum requirement
 of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to
 a requirement of 1.1.5 as this can potentially be in another security
 context / zone, however I'm giving this a grace period of (at least)
 45-60 days to allow server administrators to upgrade their servers.
 
 I'm not making any changes to the main pool at this point.
 
 References:
 [0] http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2014-05/msg00026.html
 [1] http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/05/01/16
 

Might I suggest that there be some time given for servers to be upgraded
before making this change? My servers run a stable baseline distro but I
deploy SKS via backported packaging which hasn't been upgraded and I'm
not going to compromise my system and run hand rolled source deployments
as all my servers are managed via Puppet. I don't know about other
admins but I only deploy software packages and is automated to maintain
consistency and remove human error. My server will be remaining at 1.1.4
until the backported package is available to be deployed at which time
I'll be able to update the deployed version in my config management and
they'll be upgraded.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread Gabor Kiss
 Might I suggest that there be some time given for servers to be upgraded
 before making this change? My servers run a stable baseline distro but I
 deploy SKS via backported packaging which hasn't been upgraded and I'm
 not going to compromise my system and run hand rolled source deployments
 as all my servers are managed via Puppet. I don't know about other
 admins but I only deploy software packages and is automated to maintain
 consistency and remove human error. My server will be remaining at 1.1.4
 until the backported package is available to be deployed at which time
 I'll be able to update the deployed version in my config management and
 they'll be upgraded.

The situation is the same here.
But I don't care if our servers is in the pool or not...

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 05/06/2014 05:08 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
 Dear lists,
 
 Following the release of SKS 1.1.5[0] the following changes will be
 made to the pools of sks-keyservers.net
 
 subset.pool.sks-keyservers.net has been set to a minimum requirement
 of SKS 1.1.5 with immediate effect.
 
 Due to CVE-2014-3207[1] I want to bump hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net to
 a requirement of 1.1.5 as this can potentially be in another security
 context / zone, however I'm giving this a grace period of (at least)
 45-60 days to allow server administrators to upgrade their servers.
 
 I'm not making any changes to the main pool at this point.
 
 References:
 [0] http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2014-05/msg00026.html
 [1] http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/05/01/16
 

For those that do run Debian... BTS #746626 has been opened as Important
and tagged as 'security upstream fixed-upstream' for 1.1.5 so hopefully
the maintainer team will get it updated within Jessie soon which will
then trigger the BPO for Wheezy.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread robert.O


On Tue, 6 May 2014 14:58:48 +0200 (CEST), Gabor Kiss
ki...@ssg.ki.iif.hu wrote:
 Might I suggest that there be some time given for servers to be upgraded
 before making this change? My servers run a stable baseline distro but I
 deploy SKS via backported packaging which hasn't been upgraded and I'm
 not going to compromise my system and run hand rolled source deployments
 as all my servers are managed via Puppet. I don't know about other
 admins but I only deploy software packages and is automated to maintain
 consistency and remove human error. My server will be remaining at 1.1.4
 until the backported package is available to be deployed at which time
 I'll be able to update the deployed version in my config management and
 they'll be upgraded.
 
 The situation is the same here.
 But I don't care if our servers is in the pool or not...
 
 Gabor

My servers run a stable baseline distro, sks is not a priority  .
MY server will  remaining at 1.1.4 until the backported package is
available to be deploye

robert



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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread Dinko Korunic
On 06.05.2014 11:08, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
[...]

 context / zone, however I'm giving this a grace period of (at
 least) 45-60 days to allow server administrators to upgrade their
 servers.
 
 I'm not making any changes to the main pool at this point.

Hi,

If possible, I'd suggest actually *emailing* system administrators
(via automated email or with mailing a sks-devel mailing list with a
change summary) prior to removing their SKS servers from the pool,
given that we both have their emails available, their PGP IDs and what
not.

IMO delisting is fine as long as there is proper communication
involved and people actually are aware that's going on -- I'm sure
that not all the SKS administrators read the sks-devel on a
daily/weekly basis.


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D.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Changes to sks-keyservers.net pools

2014-05-06 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2014-05-06 at 17:53 +0200, Dinko Korunic wrote:
 IMO delisting is fine as long as there is proper communication
 involved and people actually are aware that's going on -- I'm sure
 that not all the SKS administrators read the sks-devel on a
 daily/weekly basis.

For clarity, this becomes: there's a chance that for a window of a
couple of weeks, the only SKS administrators who will be in the
rarely-used subset pool will be those who read SKS email daily.

There's a chance that Kristian's main pool will become a set of servers
run only by administrators who check their email at least every 45 days.
This being the pool of keyservers which are the default for a number of
mainstream clients.

I'm really not seeing a problem with this.

The merits of an individual keyserver being run for its own use are
different from the merits of a hostname being used for some pool of
keyservers.  There is plenty of justification for making sure that the
hostname for the predominant pool used by people who don't change their
keyserver definition from the default resolves only to servers which
are able to get a security update out within 45 days.

-Phil

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