Re: [SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
This is a legal landmine.. especially if it is for commercial purposes... you may need a carrier license. If in doubt, ask the ACA.. they'll know how to shaft^H^H^H^H^Hhelp you. Welcome to the Overregulated Country. www.aca.gov.au and also the Telecommunications Act.. thousands of pages of crap. Good luck. //umar. I know this is off topic but it comes up now and then... and yet I can't find an email on it in the archive :-( Is anyone familiar with the legal issues with sharing a regular (not cable where special conditions are written in) internet connection over say a wireless link? Is there a resource on the web? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
Jeff Waugh wrote: Mozilla is also good. So is Galeon, based on the Gecko widget. Encompass is based on the gtkhtml widget, and is okay, but gtkhtml was never really designed to be a full-featured browser widget (just a basic HTML renderer really). There are quite a few out there, and a lot of them are good. What disappoints me is the trashing of a very fine group of people, and the great Free Software that they've contributed. And my apologies to all those who've contributed to Mozilla., esp. if my remarks were insulting to the great effort they've in their huge project. May the Source be with us all! Now that I understand the Mozilla contribution to Netscape 6, I'll put my critique to bed along with my whinges and let their new effort settle for a few revisions. I think I'll even try one of the ten or so other quite usable browsers mentioned in this thread for a comparison with what I;m using now. I might even install fetchmail as advised from a thread within this thread (!) It is apparent that Netscape 6 rev 3 is a beta. And I certainly wouldn't damn a beta esp. if it is a complete re-write. Netscape 6.0 cannot be compared to 4.x fairly. I do feel a sense of loss over losing any more development on the old series Netscape, clunky as it was. But hey, Bring on the new! -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="Rick Welykochy" Now that I understand the Mozilla contribution to Netscape 6, I'll put my critique to bed along with my whinges and let their new effort settle for a few revisions. Suck one of the Mozilla nightlies straight out of mirror.aarnet.edu.au right now! Seriously. Netscape 6.0 development was branched sometime ago, and it still contains bugs that were fixed on the Mozilla.org codebase from then on... The memory footprint is *heaps* better in the nightlies too. The Netscape branded releases are goig to suck, mainly because of the extra whatsits they put in that most of us find useless. Mozilla is "pure". :) I'll make it really easy... :D ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mozilla/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz [ Note that sometimes these can suck, but I have to say, I've only downloaded about three really awful nightlies ever since they started releasing them... I don't download them all that often though. If you get a stable one, stick with it until something cool comes into the builds. ] Oh, and building your own is *easy* and I recommend it. It's fun to build the (now second) largest chunk of Free Software out there on your own machine. :) (Oh yeah, and do try fetchmail/procmail... It's hard to fix the problems we have with MUAs, but at least there's a prety good MDA duo out there.) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Serial Name Server Resolve on Linux
\begin{Peter Rundle}
Does anyone have any insight into the serial nature of the DNS
resolve on Linux and when this problem might be addressed. It's
my current understanding that name to IP resolution is a single
serial queue for all processes on the box.
err.. its not.
.. at all .. as in: it would actually be quite hard to make it that
way even if you wanted to.
what made you think it was?
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
Thanks for pointing out facts Jeff. I'll just say one or two short things myself - I have used every milestone of Mozilla since the original release of the Netscape v4.x code. The amount of effort that has been contributed is most impressive, and its been great to see the progress. - Rather than whinge about the quality of the releases - "THIS THING IS $H*!! It doesn't load my favourite site - www.haveyourwhinge.com!" we should be: - reporting the bugs (or maybe discussing workarounds) - testing the latest nightly builds to see if things are fixed - provide _fixes_ to bugs - Gecko, Bugzilla, Bonsai - as Jeff points out, Bugzilla is one of many "Good Things" (TM) that have graciously been given to us. - Some things I hate about NS6 - the fact that I can't get SSL working as non-root (I installed as root), also debugging statements spewing all over your terminal. - Some things I like about NS6 - the Java and SSL support, the fact that other than non-root SSL, it hasn't crashed once on me yet. So Keep up the fantastic work, Moz dudes! Thanks for everything you've done! David S.. :-) On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="John Ryland" Now would you all stop you belly aching about netscape. It's not as free as konqueror and not even in the same league. Netscape 6.0 is proprietary software based on a Free Software project - Mozilla. Netscape wasn't created open source and it shows. Netscape 6.0 is a complete rewrite. It was created from the sources of the browser released by mozilla.org. I'd call that "created open source". Why does it show? The technologies created or developed for this release are quite astounding. We have: * a Free world-class bug tracking system (Bugzilla, needs some work, Free so we can!) * a Free world-class web-based code browser (Bonsai) * a Free highly-compliant (the MOST compliant) web-standards (HTML, CSS, etc) renderer and embeddable widget (Gecko) * a Free cross-platform application development system (XPCOM, XUL, NSPR) * soon to be Free application and server level PKI libraries (PSM and NSS) Mozilla.org has not "just made a browser" in all this time! My rant is similar in nature to Jamie's disappointment in people dissing Red Hat. Look around... You may not use it, but they're making some damn fine software that will be in use wider and longer than a browser release. Add to that the goal of MPL/GPLing all the code, and you have a very forceful argument for the support of Mozilla.org. I've heard the code is quite unmaintainable. Of 4.x or the complete rewrite that is Mozilla? - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thursday 16 November 2000 18:08, Jeff Waugh wrote: Mozilla is also good. So is Galeon, based on the Gecko widget. Encompass is I tried galeon a while ago. I looked for ages for a decent GTK based web browser because I wanted my browser to theme nicely with my desktop at home. I have a GTK AquaX theme I like. How are they progressing? I had to try downloading it and compiling it a number of times and trying it with different mozilla builds before I managed to get it to work. It does look promising though. There are quite a few out there, and a lot of them are good. I disagree that a lot are good. My comment was less to do with the license itself (we all know it's Free Software), more to do with the substance. Mozilla.org are the caretakers of a *lot* of great stuff - we ought to support their efforts. Yep, I agree. I'm definately not suggesting that mozilla.org's work is no good. However getting back to netscape, I have had a very bad time using netscape in the past and am now very happily using konqueror. You would have to do a lot of convincing before I would go back to using netscape again, even if it is a total rewrite. It would need to have a number of features (as a web browser) that konqueror doesn't have before I would even try it. John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
Welcome to the Overregulated Country. www.aca.gov.au and also the Telecommunications Act.. thousands of pages of crap. A good link for all things legal is Austlii http://www.austlii.edu.au/ Hope that helps,, dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="John Ryland" How are they progressing? Very well - heaps of energy in Galeon development recently. I had to try downloading it and compiling it a number of times and trying it with different mozilla builds before I managed to get it to work. I never had it working with the nightlies I always used, so I didn't bother. Just recently they released debs of Galeon (source line below) that worked with the M18 that's currently in potato and woody. deb ftp://galeon.sourceforge.net/pub/galeon/nightly/debian galeoncvsm18/ So that's what I'm using now, and it's pretty cool. It doesn't do http authentication, SSL or other things, but most of the time I don't need them. I just fire up links-ssl at a terminal of I do. :) (I have to admit, I still use Netscape a fair bit. I should just delete the icon on my panel, but the X resources I use make it come up in *such* a pretty purple...) There are quite a few out there, and a lot of them are good. I disagree that a lot are good. They're cool! Sure, there's a lot of features missing in them, like the above mentioned ones, Java, etc., but as simple browsers they're groovy! If you want the other features, hack 'em in. The developers will be very happy to hear from you. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "GIMP is the primary tool in my graphics work. It is my gcc and Emacs." - Tuomas Kuosmanen (tigert) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh said: They're cool! Sure, there's a lot of features missing in them, like the above mentioned ones, Java, etc., but as simple browsers they're groovy! Speaking of simple browsers.. I'm using the Gnome Help Browser to read advogato whilst I wait for my apt-get to finish, and it sure has surprised me. Even clicking on a link to a .wav, it came up and told me it'd saved it in /tmp and suggested how to go about fixing up a viewer for it. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Re: Netscrape 6 is here
\begin{Jeff Waugh}
(I have to admit, I still use Netscape a fair bit. I should just delete the
icon on my panel, but the X resources I use make it come up in *such* a
pretty purple...)
hah.
so when is gtk / gnome / mozilla going to support defacto standards
like Xresources and "-display" options ?
there are too many good things in X to lose them in some mad rush to
put background pixmaps on everything (and iirc, bb's Xaw-xpm was the
first widget set to do that too..).
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Re: [SLUG] OT MotherBoards
Hi Slugs, someone a while back was asking about motherboards so i asked a friend of mine to forward me some of his research into the current offerings. can't remember who wanted the info. anyway, the following may help some people... Ben My MB is a MSI 694D Pro A (MS6321) check out the specs at the following link http://www.msi.com.tw This board comes in the following flavours with the corresponding options. * 694D Pro A Promise Ultra ATA100 * 694D Pro I IEEE 1394 (Fire Wire) Ports * 694D Pro AR Promise FastTrak ATA100 RAID Controller * 694D Pro AI Promise Ultra ATA100 + IEEE 1394 (Fire Wire) Ports * 694D Pro AIRPromise FastTrak ATA100 RAID Controller + IEEE 1394 (Fire Wire) Ports Check out the reveiw at http://www.burningissues.co.uk/ as this also documents the Promise Ultra ATA 100 hack which I showed you. The reveiw at 2cpu.com is also worth a read http://www.2cpu.com/Hardware/msi_694d/ as are the many Forum writings. Finaly you may also want to read the reveiw that Tom's Hardware wrote http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q3/000911/index.html The cheapest price I could find when I bought mine was $275 + postage from Hypec ITS http://www.hypecits.com.au/cgi-bin/buy/buy.pl?action=listcat=MBhowever a quick check showed that it is now $286 from them, which is still the cheapest acording to PricePoint (www.pricepoint.com.au). They also have the Pro AR version for $311, if you want RAID without voiding your waranty. Other boards I would consider would be. * Abit VP6 http://www.abit-usa.com/english/index.htm This board is very similar to the 694D but has a different ATA100 controller. There is only one release and it comes standard with RAID support. It also uses the same Via Apollo Pro133a chipset. Check this review of the VP6 http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/mainboards/abit/vp6/index.html I was interested to read the coments regrding the need to overclock. * Aopen DX34 and DX43 Plus http://aoaen.aopen.com/products/mb/DPTab.htm This board again uses the Via chipset but does not come with ATA100. Instead the DX43 Plus comes with onboard Adaptec Dual SCSI 160. Both these boards come with onboard LAN. * GigaByte GA-6VXD7 and GA-6VXDC7 http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/products/pro_new3.htm Both these boards offer dual CPU but not a lot else as far as I could see. Both Abit and Aopen are yet to release these boards in Australia... so no prices. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
JUst stick a firewall in, and they won't know...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="Angus Lees" hah. so when is gtk / gnome / mozilla going to support defacto standards like Xresources and "-display" options ? Yeah. Very annoying. The argument for not supporting "-display" in Gnome is that being a GNU project, it uses GNU long options. So, GTK+/GNOME support "--display" instead, which isn't the de facto standard. Also, it doesn't work. :) You have to use the DISPLAY environment variable. Might I say, Gus, that if you believe this is a major oversight, that you talk to Owen Taylor and the other GTK+ geeks about your patch? The many people who have expressed their disappointment about this will be pleased. there are too many good things in X to lose them in some mad rush to put background pixmaps on everything (and iirc, bb's Xaw-xpm was the first widget set to do that too..). I concur... The other night I wanted to remind myself how larswm worked (a very interesting window manager, especially for terminal freaks - find it at FreshForgeDot), so I fired up Xnest. X, for all its foibles, is still quite a treat. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="Jeff Waugh" The argument for not supporting "-display" in Gnome is that being a GNU project, it uses GNU long options. I should clarify for anyone who doesn't know what that means... I forgot the real results of that myself for a second there. With GNU software, -display would be interpreted as -d -i -s -p -l -a -y, which is not really what you'd mean. :) Incompatible standards, I'm afraid. I just asked about the --display brokenness too, and James Henstridge [*] explained that, GTK+ accepts "--display=blah", whilst the Gnome popt parser hands things off to GTK+ as "--display blah". I don't believe that the popt will be a lasting "feature" of Gnome, however, so this will go away soon. I'm sure some minds may be swayed to include "-display" (at least) as a special case, though. - Jeff [*] James is an Aussie Gnome hacker from WA. You may know him from Gnome projects such as "gnorpm" (also Our Malcolm! :P), Dia and the very cool libglade. Just to keep Rodney from poking me in the eye, I'll link to James' interview about the KDE League (of all things!) in LinuxWorld.com.au: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?nid=335tid=2 (Rodney, you guys need to put dates on your articles, BTW. The categories rock though - very useful.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Re: [SLUG] re-partitioning HD and re-arranging mount points...
Ken, Thanks so much for clarifying these differences. Was my earlier description of the transfer method pretty much the standard way of doing it? (Repeated below.) Thanks so much for your response, Daniel 1. Make a new partition on the HD using previously un-partitioned sectors. 2. Build a filesystem on the new partition 3. Mount the new partition (maybe /mnt/temp) 4. Copy the data from /usr/local to /mnt/temp 5. Run md5sum on original data in /usr/local; compare with 'md5sum -c file' to new data on /mnt/temp *** 6. Unmount the old partition from /usr/local 7. Unmount the new partition from /mnt/temp 8. Update /etc/fstab to tell it about new partition for /usr/local 9. Re-mount the new partition over the old mount point 10.Ready to do re-installation Ken Yap wrote: *** Side question on md5sum: my understanding of ext2fs is that when copying or moving files within a partition, the files are not actually moved or copied, only the inode table is updated (and thus no md5sum is necessary as there is no risk of incorrect I/O related to move); however, when moving between partitions, the files actually have to be copied or moved, and thus an md5sum check would be prudent. Is this correct thinking, please? Thanks so much. When you are moving a file within a filesystem, no copying of the data blocks is done, only the links are altered. When you are copying a file, the data blocks are replicated. When you move a file outside the filesystem, it behaves like a copy and unlink. -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
JUst stick a firewall in, and they won't know...:-) Ahhh.. if you mean encrypt the data.. then that's illegal. If you look hard enough at the legislation, you'll see that even amateur radio links (i.e. packet radio etc) aren't allowed to be encrypted. Please fork out $100k+ for an application for a carrier license and feed the "needy" bloated fsckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hgovernment. *blech* I hope someone will point out that I'm wrong.. but I wanted to use packet radio to get some data down to Melbourne from Sydney and I had a chat with a few people and they said "encryption = evil, you will get shafted on your amateur license". In fact, strictly legally speaking, your ISP can't offer you a point to point 2.4Gz spread spectrum link even if you're across the road from them, unless they have a carrier license of sorts. (This was discussed at length on "OZ-ISP" some months ago.. so if you're interested, have a poke through the archives..) "...for we are young and free..." - bollocks. //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Netscrape 6 is here
'Jeff Waugh' [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: [*] James is an Aussie Gnome hacker from WA. You may know him from Gnome projects such as "gnorpm" (also Our Malcolm! :P), Dia and the very cool libglade. And very helpful too, I must say. Just to keep Rodney from poking me in the eye, I'll link to James' interview about the KDE League (of all things!) in LinuxWorld.com.au: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?nid=335tid=2 Hey, that was my idea! The press release from the KDE team had the usual blah ... blah ... blah "We are s good" blah ... blah! Why not get the opinions of someone from the opposite team? (Rodney, you guys need to put dates on your articles, BTW. The categories rock though - very useful.) Errr.http://www.linuxworld.com.au under the TOP STORY and I quote; "Contributed by Rodney Gedda 2000-11-16" ^^ Although putting the date with the article body is worth looking into. Glad you like the categories, it makes looking up related items quick and easy. What ever happend to changing the SLUG subject line to reflect the drift in conversation? I was happily deleting away all the "Netscape 6 is here" subjects when I saw a couple from you in a row and decided to read them. I'm glad I did or else I would have missed your informative post. :-) Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.auSt Leonards NSW 2065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ADSL
Hi all, I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards. Cheers, -Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ADSL
I have it working perfectly with my own scripts and all.. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com for the program.. I can help with any config problems... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] ADSL Hi all, I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards. Cheers, -Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
It's my understanding that 2.4Ghz below a certain power level is completely unrestricted. (http://www.air.net.au) and links thereof. This power level certainly could be applied to line of sight links of a few kilometers. I'd be interested in evidence to the contrary. If you're carrying third party/commercial data however, everything changes.. I can't give you a URL or anything, but have a poke through the OZ-ISP archives - there was a huge argument after a "networking vendor" spam-faxed all ISPs with "become a WISP (Wireless ISP)" garbage. IIRC, the outcome was that it was a "no no" for ISPs without a carrier-license.. //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Marshall, Joshua wrote:
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but what are the real
differences these days between IDE and SCSI performance-wise?
I've been told that SCSI can handle multi-user better, but I'm just
wondering if it's just a myth now with the performance gains that IDE
has had of late.
The main difference {ignoring speed, which may or may not still hold} is
the number of devices.
Even assuming you put a couple of extra IDE controllers in your machine,
you can get maybe 4 or 6 IDE devices connected to one box.
With a single ultra wide SCSI controller, you can get 15 - and you can run
up to 4 controllers in one machine without running into problems -
although if you need that many you'd usually split them across two PCI
busses.
You can build _much_ bigger drive arrays with SCSI than you can with IDE.
Although, for home use, this is often a moot point. After all, who needs
6000(*) gig on a home machine?
Oh - and those numbers limits apply only to Intel hardware - I've seen
Vax/Alpha boxen with literally thousands of drives hanging off them. Can't
do that with IDE.
DaZZa
* Figure based on 4 Ultra Wide controllers with two SCSI busses per
controller giving a total of 120 drives at 50 gig per drive - all of which
is existing technology.
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Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
"Marshall, Joshua" wrote:
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but what are the real
differences these days between IDE and SCSI performance-wise?
I've been told that SCSI can handle multi-user better, but I'm just
wondering if it's just a myth now with the performance gains that IDE
has had of late.
IDE has one fundamental flaw - it can only access one device at a time.
Yes, they've tweaked the process and on a user/workstation bang/dollar
IDE wins, but when you get into the serious stuff (multi-user/terabyte),
SCSI is definitely the way to go.
A couple of analogies
1 - Didn't you notice that the guys who ran the 100 metres at the
*lympics didn't run the marathon?
2 - The similarity could be best explained by an analogy. If I want a
fast car I'd be looking at a porche, trans am or whatever. Sure, I could
supercharge/nitrous the Niki and match these cars on speed, but I
wouldn't think about driving it to Melbourne (except perhaps as a novel
way to committ suicide {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:10:39AM +1000, Marshall, Joshua wrote: I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but what are the real differences these days between IDE and SCSI performance-wise? I've been told that SCSI can handle multi-user better, but I'm just wondering if it's just a myth now with the performance gains that IDE has had of late. The major difference between IDE SCSI is that the SCSI system is client-server. The CPU asks the SCSI host "get me X", then goes on with other stuff. The SCSI host sends a request to the drives controller. When the drive has the data, it signals the host. When the host has the data it interrupts the CPU and passes it across. (There are other things like tag-queueing and request ordering that I'll leave as an exercise to the reader.) All this means that, unlike with IDE, the CPU doesn't have to wait around for the drive, which is very useful in multi-user or multi-tasking situations. The raw speed of late model IDE drives has shot up, and with single user machines equals or beats SCSI speed. On heavily utilised server systems SCSI wins hands-down. OTOH, there are cards such as the 3ware Escalade series that bring SCSI benefits to IDE drives. They have independant channels to each of 2, 4 or 8 drives, and appear to the PC as a SCSI host. As a benefit you can either span the drives or make them a RAID. It all comes down to usage patterns and cost. As to cost, an example: SCSI: BARRACUDA 18.4GB 7200RPM 5.9MS $826.80 ex tax rrp ADAPTEC PCI TO ULTRA SCSI HOST ADAP FOR PC $235.30 ex tax rrp $1062.10 total IDE: BARRACUDA II 15.3GB ULTRA ATA/66 7200RPM 8.2MS $252.20 ex tax rrp Which means a $809.90 ex tax price difference. So: Single user and/or cheapskate = IDE. Multi-user/tasking and deep pockets = SCSI Cheers Paul Haddon Technical Services Manager Hartingdale Internet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
OTOH, there are cards such as the 3ware Escalade series that bring SCSI benefits to IDE drives. They have independant channels to each of 2, 4 or 8 drives, and appear to the PC as a SCSI host. As a benefit you can either span the drives or make them a RAID. Do you have anymore info on these ? Sounds like a nice hedge between the cheapness of IDE and the performance of SCSI, assuming they aren't to expensive. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
Oh - and those numbers limits apply only to Intel hardware - I've seen Vax/Alpha boxen with literally thousands of drives hanging off them. Can't do that with IDE. I have seen intel boxes running a couple of hundred scsi devices through linux, but the record in my book is an beta version of one of the new HP boxes (supposed to be running suse or some sort - or is that sco?) which had 117642 x 85GB scsi devices running off it. Im not sure how they did that.. but its pretty amazing. What you could do with a bit fat data pipe to the net and nearly 10,000 terabytes of drivespace :) Also, Scsi devices, in my experience, are also much more reliable than IDE devices. Aaron -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
SCSI prices are starting to drop wuite a bit but still don't compare to IDE and probably never will.. who knows but the problem I hate about IDE is (like someone just mentioned) that it waits for the controller to pas the data etc.. What makes that worse is that most people have things like IDE CDROMs on the same channel as the HDD and you notice the speed straight away when you do some installs and the HDD suddenly decides to stop and wait for the CDROM to get its data and then speed off again. This is why the only IDE I have is the CDROM and eveything else is SCSI. 6 months ago I got 2 x Ultra 2 LVD 9GB drives for $480 each and that was cheap in those days and are running quite fine under NT as RAID 0... Like to see the performance of those IDE RAIDs go.. apparantly they do go but nothing like SCSI... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:50 AM To: Paul Haddon Cc: Marshall, Joshua; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI OTOH, there are cards such as the 3ware Escalade series that bring SCSI benefits to IDE drives. They have independant channels to each of 2, 4 or 8 drives, and appear to the PC as a SCSI host. As a benefit you can either span the drives or make them a RAID. Do you have anymore info on these ? Sounds like a nice hedge between the cheapness of IDE and the performance of SCSI, assuming they aren't to expensive. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] static Ip addresses
Hi, I am in the process of trying to setup a linux machine connected to the internet. I am interested in using ADSL as supplied by telstra. Problem is that I would require a static IP address, which they do not supply at the moment. Is there some way I could use a class C IP address supplied from a 3rd party as my static IP address. eg: Our head office in the UK has its own class C address so could I get an IP from them to use here? If so what would I need to do to get it to work properly? regards Alister Waller (B. Comp) Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294 www.roadtechsystems.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] static Ip addresses
My guess is use a VPN connection and then they and redirect that IP through the VPN to you but that's a bit of overkill I guess.. as requests will go to the 3rd party and then across to you.. that's a long trip and I think that's the only way with dynamic unless you get some sort of Dynamic DNS going with the 3rd party. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: Alister Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:31 AM To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] static Ip addresses Hi, I am in the process of trying to setup a linux machine connected to the internet. I am interested in using ADSL as supplied by telstra. Problem is that I would require a static IP address, which they do not supply at the moment. Is there some way I could use a class C IP address supplied from a 3rd party as my static IP address. eg: Our head office in the UK has its own class C address so could I get an IP from them to use here? If so what would I need to do to get it to work properly? regards Alister Waller (B. Comp) Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294 www.roadtechsystems.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:49:42AM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: OTOH, there are cards such as the 3ware Escalade series that bring SCSI benefits to IDE drives. They have independant channels to each of 2, 4 or 8 drives, and appear to the PC as a SCSI host. As a benefit you can either span the drives or make them a RAID. Do you have anymore info on these ? Sounds like a nice hedge between the cheapness of IDE and the performance of SCSI, assuming they aren't to expensive. www.3ware.com www.google.com search on 3ware escalade for US prices. They're from US $250 for the 2 port, to $420 for the 8 port (approx prices). Raid 0, 1, 10. Appear as SCSI to the PC. Linux native drivers and support programs. Hot swap, hot spare. Relatively inexpensive. Rave reviews. Even Alan Cox made nice noises about them on Linux Kernel list. What more could you ask for? ;) Cheers Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] static Ip addresses
Thanks, thought my logic was a little confused. Telstra say static IP's for ADSL will be out in FEB. I might just put up with what we have now...56K modem, until then regards Alister -Original Message- From: Marty Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 17 November 2000 10:31 AM To: 'Alister Waller' Subject: RE: [SLUG] static Ip addresses Not really. You might be able to setup a scheme where a box on their network re-routes requests to a fixed Ip on their subnet to your dynamic ip... you'd have to find some really cute way of updating the redirection though... not nice ;( Cheers, Marty On Friday, November 17, 2000 11:31 AM, Alister Waller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi, I am in the process of trying to setup a linux machine connected to the internet. I am interested in using ADSL as supplied by telstra. Problem is that I would require a static IP address, which they do not supply at the moment. Is there some way I could use a class C IP address supplied from a 3rd party as my static IP address. eg: Our head office in the UK has its own class C address so could I get an IP from them to use here? If so what would I need to do to get it to work properly? regards Alister Waller (B. Comp) Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294 www.roadtechsystems.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] CPIO
"George" == George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Hi all, George If my backups ran on a file system level (eg. below), is there a way to tell George the `mt` command to forward to xxx possition which is the beginning of a George certain backup.?? George cd / George find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 George cd /usr/local George find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 George cd /home George find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 George How do I got about rewinding and telling `mt` to go to say /home backup? Is George it possible? mt -f /dev/nst0 rewind mt -f /dev/nst0 fsf 2 Each time you close the /dev/nst0 device you finish and create a new file. mt rewind goes to the start mt fsf n skips over n end-of-file markers. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: ADSL
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I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux
box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's
ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards.
yes. see archives.
from memory, both myself and jrennie gave descriptions of how to get
it going.
basically its easy.
you need rp-pppoe (debian package is just "pppoe"). follow the docs
therein.
the telstra login/password is CHAP, not PAP as the rp-pppoe docs
suggest
your password is all lower-case, despite whatever the install guys
write down (i got bitten by this one)
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Re: [SLUG] CPIO
mt -f device fsf count (dont forget the no-rewind device) e.g. mt -f /dev/rmt/0mn fsf 3 On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 12:46:09PM +1100, George Vieira wrote: Hi all, the `mt` command to forward to xxx possition which is the beginning of a certain backup.?? -- Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] IDE vs SCSI
Hi there,
Couple of interesting points to make here. SCSI is and maybe
always will be faster, its driven by the server industry and consequently
performance and robustness are its primary concerns/design criteria. You
can't get platter speeds in DIE drives beyond 7200 rpm that I have seen,
while scsi drives are already at 15000 rpm this alone gives an enormous
performance enhancement -- latency and sustained transfer rate. Along with
this, as has been identified, on a single IRQ on an Intel box you can have a
dual channel controller communicating with 30 scsi devices. A single IRQ is
needed for each channel on a standard dual channel DIE controller, so for
each 2 DIE devices you loose one IRQ. This gets messy really quickly on an
Intel box with its limited number of available IRQs..
Of the scsi flavours out there ultra 160 and 320 offer
transfer rates of 160 or 320 Mb/sec and fibre channel which is a serial
implementation of the scsi command protocol offers transfer rates of 200
MB/sec {correct me if I have the mega bits bytes thing wrong}. IDE offers a
max currently of 100 Mb/sec. With IDE raid on the increase in personal
motherboards {ala ABIT and co} you can get some pretty hefty performance for
very minimal outlay of cash, however if money is not a limiting factor or
you're going to be doing large transaction processing or server class work
then scsi is the way to go.
Part of the SCSI advantage is the SCSI controller. It has a
'cpu' of sorts on the card which handles all the fetch and carrying and
talking to the devices, this can alleviate a significant load on a busy
machine. Your CPU says 'get me file x' and then goes back to what its
doing...and the scsi controller says 'oi that stuff is availlable now'.
IDE is totally managed by your cpu and this can make for a
machine that pauses a lot when doing stuff. It really pisses me using an IDE
machine as I have always had scsi machines and find it frustrating have to
pause while my machine swaps to files or whatever.
It really does depend on the application you have in mind, not to mention
you budget.
Regards
D.
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[SLUG] Use of Gnu tar
I am having trouble with the syntax of using Gnu tar to do the following. This is a simplified example of the real problem but maybe it will help. The tape archive has a structure like this: dir1/dir2/file1 dir1/dir2/file2 dir1/dir2/file3 ... dir/1/dir2/file999 Some of these files are very large so I need to distribute them around a number of different file systems because no single file system can hold all the files. For example, I would like to extract like this: file1-file199 into /u02/data file200-399 into /u03/data file400-999 into /u03/data I have read the manual from gnu.org but it is not very good on examples. I know I should be able to read a --files-from control file but cannot figure out the syntax of how to set up the file. In it I would like to specify to start by changing directories to /u02/data then specify the files to be extracted using a wildcard. Can anyone confirm that this can be done and show me an example? Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="Rodney Gedda" Errr.http://www.linuxworld.com.au under the TOP STORY and I quote; "Contributed by Rodney Gedda 2000-11-16" ^^ Although putting the date with the article body is worth looking into. That's what I meant. :) When people collect stories on various topics and refer to them later on, it's good for persepective to have a date on there. You're not alone on that though, SO many netty news sites do it. Be the first on your TLD! ;) What ever happend to changing the SLUG subject line to reflect the drift in conversation? Idealist. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] static Ip addresses
quote who="Alister Waller" Telstra say static IP's for ADSL will be out in FEB. I might just put up with what we have now...56K modem, until then Two words: Pacific Internet URL: http://www.corporate.pacific.net.au I have little interest in supporting Telstra with it's current interplanetary superpower puppet leadership. Until the human staff of Telstra rise above and defeat the snide, evil powers that be and show us what they're really made of (cool people work for Telstra, but aliens suck their brains out for life-force energy), I'm only going to support the human-controlled telecommunications companies in the present market. It's a tough job, but somebody has to make these things known. Don't be alarmed if I disappear in the middle of the night, the only evidence being a trail of alien-slimed 0055 chatline business cards. (That's how they support their brain habits.) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- 100% Pure Slashdot Wisdom: "Source code gives a whole new meaning to free software." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL
I can also confirm that ADSL for Linux works. I got the rp-pppoe-2_3_tar.gz package from roaring penguin, compiled it, ran it, added the adsl-start script to the init scripts and it worked fine without having to modify a thing. When the telstra guy came to install it from Windows, it like took him practically all day. Various things went wrong for him and he had to get some other guy in to help in. After they had gone it took about 5 minutes to setup the ppp over ethernet package on Linux. I really don't get why people say Windows is so easy to use, it just isn't true. John On Friday 17 November 2000 08:34, George Vieira wrote: I have it working perfectly with my own scripts and all.. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com for the program.. I can help with any config problems... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID:0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] ADSL Hi all, I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards. Cheers, -Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ADSL
I had the same problem.. The funny thing was that they convinced me that I needed DHCP on my machine coz' I actually was getting IPs from them... YOU DON'T (as people here have told me... thanks!). There software sucks too.. I could have written a better program for them.. even run it as a service so it starts as soon as you login cause you machine might reboot and you can't get into it if you have to click their stupid icon At least my linux box has it's own scripts and I have modified them to automatically update my DNS on restart or reboot... Telstra could only get it working on my W98 partition and then I got it working for the rest.. hopeless... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: John Ryland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:25 PM To: George Vieira; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] ADSL I can also confirm that ADSL for Linux works. I got the rp-pppoe-2_3_tar.gz package from roaring penguin, compiled it, ran it, added the adsl-start script to the init scripts and it worked fine without having to modify a thing. When the telstra guy came to install it from Windows, it like took him practically all day. Various things went wrong for him and he had to get some other guy in to help in. After they had gone it took about 5 minutes to setup the ppp over ethernet package on Linux. I really don't get why people say Windows is so easy to use, it just isn't true. John On Friday 17 November 2000 08:34, George Vieira wrote: I have it working perfectly with my own scripts and all.. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com for the program.. I can help with any config problems... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID:0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] ADSL Hi all, I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards. Cheers, -Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] static Ip addresses
What we do is setup a ssh tunnel for various ports to various machines in Norway on our firewall which has the ADSL connection. We then use ipchains to forward the connections through the ssh tunnels. something like this on the firewall: ipchains -A input -s 10.1.0.0/16 -d headoffice.no 110 -p tcp -j REDIRECT 5110 ipchains -A input -s 10.1.0.0/16 -d headoffice.no 25 -p tcp -j REDIRECT 5025 ssh -f -g \ -L 5110:headoffice.no:110 \ -L 5025:headoffice.no:25 \ headoffice.no \ tail -f /etc/motd the tail thing is just to stop it timing out all the time. John On Friday 17 November 2000 10:40, George Vieira wrote: My guess is use a VPN connection and then they and redirect that IP through the VPN to you but that's a bit of overkill I guess.. as requests will go to the 3rd party and then across to you.. that's a long trip and I think that's the only way with dynamic unless you get some sort of Dynamic DNS going with the 3rd party. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID:0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: Alister Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:31 AM To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] static Ip addresses Hi, I am in the process of trying to setup a linux machine connected to the internet. I am interested in using ADSL as supplied by telstra. Problem is that I would require a static IP address, which they do not supply at the moment. Is there some way I could use a class C IP address supplied from a 3rd party as my static IP address. eg: Our head office in the UK has its own class C address so could I get an IP from them to use here? If so what would I need to do to get it to work properly? regards Alister Waller (B. Comp) Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294 www.roadtechsystems.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You can tell it is Friday when .....
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Terry Collins wrote: you spend 15 minutes wondering why root is seeing a different /usr/bin than your user sees. Yawn I can hardy keep my eyes open.. You are trying to work out why you can't connect to the test LDAP server then you remember it's running on a different port to the production one! BTW, any iPlanet/Netscape gurus out there? This shrinkwrap stuff is giving me a migraine. rachel Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Update to My Linux Book Keeping Page
Just to let you know that I've updated my contribution to the Linux Book
Keeping projects by providing a searchable archive
(http://www.woa.com.au/lists/book-keeping) of the discussion lists for
Web Accountant and GNU Enterprise.
SQL Ledger was going to be there, but the dork behind the keyboard
somehow made all current messages and archive disappear. So while SQL
Ledger is also listed, there is currently no messages there.
These archives can also be access together or individually from my linux
book-keeping/business accounting WWW page;
http://www.woa.com.au/linux/lists/bookkeeping.html.
My apologies for the appalling prior choice of colour scheme (light blue
on green) that was previously on these pages. Surprising no one
complained or suggested a change.
Does anyone find the little folder gifs that have crept into the WOA
list pages a trouble in their browser?
I'm quite happy to dunk these if they are.
I have a feeling someone has sent me additional material for these pages
and I've some how missed it. If that is the case, a gentle reminder
(4"x4"x3") wouldn't go astray.
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[SLUG] Linux Compatible Cases
Okay, so the subjects a bit of lark. I'm all inspired to retire my last "Linux Super Workstation" (a 486) and bring my hardware into the 21st century and I'm going to build a new machine from scratch again (yes, the LJ article got me off my bum). One catch, all my usual suppliers dont appear to be doing cases any more. Does anyone know of any decent Sydney/Australian suppliers of interesting cases? -- Cheers, Craige. -- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You can tell it is Friday when .....
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 01:34:05PM +1100, Terry Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: you spend 15 minutes wondering why root is seeing a different /usr/bin than your user sees. I got to wonder whether *THIS* has to do with the day? Oooops. Let me rephrase: I got to wonder whether *THIS* has to do with a particular day? jhs -- best accelerated mac = 9.8 m/(s*s) |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You can tell it is Friday when .....
BTW, any iPlanet/Netscape gurus out there? This shrinkwrap stuff is giving me a migraine. Not quite a guru but we are running it here on half a dozen servers (Solaris/Linux) what's your problem? Pete. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL
John Ryland wrote: When the telstra guy came to install it from Windows, it like took him practically all day. Various things went wrong for him and he had to get some other guy in to help in. After they had gone it took about 5 minutes to setup the ppp over ethernet package on Linux. I really don't get why people say Windows is so easy to use, it just isn't true. My take on this is that windows isn't easier to use/configure, it's just that most people have more experience with it. This will especially hold true in tech support, where they have been trained up on windows and told that other operating systems aren't supported. At one time I earnt a reputation as a unix guru because I could use the sh shell and some basic commands like ps and grep. Most of the other people were technically savy to some extent, but almost exclusivly with windows. I actually find it easier to learn how to do things with linux - the open archetecture of the system means I can easily poke around and see whats going on if I want to. And the quality of documentation is generally much better, which is a HUGE help. Another Anecdote: I once had my flatmates mother use my system (at the time: Mandrake 7.1, Helix Gnome, Netscape 4.7) to do some web-browsing and later on my flatmate made a comment about this. Her mother was surprised - she'd just assumed it was windows the whole time, and didn't believe it was actually linux untill I pointed out some differences to her. - Doug -- _ Network Operations Engineer - Big Pond Advance Satellite Ericsson Australia - Level 5, 184 The Broadway, Sydney 2000 Ph: +61-416-085-390 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Re: [SLUG] You can tell it is Friday when .....
Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 01:34:05PM +1100, Terry Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: you spend 15 minutes wondering why root is seeing a different /usr/bin than your user sees. I got to wonder whether *THIS* has to do with the day? Oooops. Let me rephrase: I got to wonder whether *THIS* has to do with a particular day? I personally find I lose my focus on wok durring the last part of a Friday. I never do anything important/risky to our servers then, as I'm too likely to make a mistake. I'm also more liekly to rush something to get it done by the end of the day so it's not waiting for me on Monday morning. I find it a good time to catch up on all the trivial things that pile up durring the week though. - Doug -- _ Network Operations Engineer - Big Pond Advance Satellite Ericsson Australia - Level 5, 184 The Broadway, Sydney 2000 Ph: +61-416-085-390 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL
One of the reasons Windows seems hard to setup is that a large number of people selling their service as 'experts' are far from it! Wheras in other areas you are expected to have some expertise before setting up shop! Not looking for a platform war, I agree generally with you. Most things that *can* be done in Windows can be done fairly quickly and with only a few reboots ;-) if you know what to do. I can also confirm that ADSL for Linux works. I got the rp-pppoe-2_3_tar.gz package from roaring penguin, compiled it, ran it, added the adsl-start script to the init scripts and it worked fine without having to modify a thing. When the telstra guy came to install it from Windows, it like took him practically all day. Various things went wrong for him and he had to get some other guy in to help in. After they had gone it took about 5 minutes to setup the ppp over ethernet package on Linux. I really don't get why people say Windows is so easy to use, it just isn't true. John On Friday 17 November 2000 08:34, George Vieira wrote: I have it working perfectly with my own scripts and all.. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com for the program.. I can help with any config problems... thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] ADSL Hi all, I have a client who is interested in getting ADSL and running it through a linux box. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on the subject in regards to Telstra's ADSL setup that they could either impart or point me towards. Cheers, -Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Simon Bryan[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Technology Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] OLMC Parramatta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Serial Name Server Resolve on Linux
[snip statement about serial nature of resolv on linux] err.. its not. .. at all .. as in: it would actually be quite hard to make it that way even if you wanted to. what made you think it was? I've managed to find a link that describes it in more detail, http://cs-people.bu.edu/artdodge/linux/glibc/resolv/ In part it says, The libresolv library distributed with glibc2.1 suffers from some fundamental defects when linked against threaded programs. Namely, it's not thread safe. What this effectively means is that if your threaded program is linked against glibc 2.1.0, 2.1.1, or 2.1.2, and it calls gethostbyname_r() from more than one context (i.e. two calls to it can be in-scope simultaneously), your program may see unusual results, the most common of which being some threads will get wedged inside a poll() in gethostbyname_r() and never return. A correctness fix for this problem is in glibc2.1.3, but it is almost worse than the problem - it forces serialization of all name server queries, eliminating the race condition from the original code, but eliminating any parallelism between sleep-intensive and potentially high-latency name lookups. This causes the performance of many lookup-intensive programs to (technically speaking) suck. It also goes on to say that this is fixed in glibc2.2 which I guess answers my original question. Cheers Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] static Ip addresses
I use a vpn with dynamic ips all the time. I use dyndns to connect to the dynamic hostnames. If you are on adsl, where the ip won't change much, you can use dyndns's static hostname service... look it all up at www.dyndns.org hope that helps. dave Thanks, thought my logic was a little confused. Telstra say static IP's for ADSL will be out in FEB. I might just put up with what we have now...56K modem, until then regards Alister -Original Message- From: Marty Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 17 November 2000 10:31 AM To: 'Alister Waller' Subject: RE: [SLUG] static Ip addresses Not really. You might be able to setup a scheme where a box on their network re-routes requests to a fixed Ip on their subnet to your dynamic ip... you'd have to find some really cute way of updating the redirection though... not nice ;( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Compatible Cases
This one time, at band camp, Craige McWhirter said: Okay, so the subjects a bit of lark. I'm all inspired to retire my last "Linux Super Workstation" (a 486) and bring my hardware into the 21st century and I'm going to build a new machine from scratch again (yes, the LJ article got me off my bum). One catch, all my usual suppliers dont appear to be doing cases any more. Does anyone know of any decent Sydney/Australian suppliers of interesting cases? www.eyo.com.au, based in southwest sydney, iirc. I got me a nice full tower case from them... the HT model I think. That, plus a linux badge from len chan (www.cetustech.com.au, just round the corner from me ;) and you've got your UberLinux Workstation. Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. rofl ;) -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Compatible Cases
Thanks, I'll take a squiz :) James Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Craige McWhirter said: Okay, so the subjects a bit of lark. I'm all inspired to retire my last "Linux Super Workstation" (a 486) and bring my hardware into the 21st century and I'm going to build a new machine from scratch again (yes, the LJ article got me off my bum). One catch, all my usual suppliers dont appear to be doing cases any more. Does anyone know of any decent Sydney/Australian suppliers of interesting cases? www.eyo.com.au, based in southwest sydney, iirc. I got me a nice full tower case from them... the HT model I think. That, plus a linux badge from len chan (www.cetustech.com.au, just round the corner from me ;) and you've got your UberLinux Workstation. Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. rofl ;) -- Cheers, Craige. -- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscape 6 and Mozilla and Konqueror
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 01:46:14PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="John Ryland" BTW has anyone else on SLUG besides myself tried or is using konqueror? I have. It's pretty cool. I like the multiwindowing things... But just about all my other software is GTK+/GNOME based, so I don't really have a place for Qt/KDE gear. :) I've found konqueror works reasonably well with gnome, although it seems to want to open any image links with Gimp. You can even set it up as the default browser for web pages and help files. Doesn't do info tho. -- enterfornone - insert clever comment here http://www.enterfornone.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscape 6 and Mozilla and Konqueror
Please also consider Konqueror. I'm sure you will find it to be your friend. :) BTW has anyone else on SLUG besides myself tried or is using konqueror? John On Friday 17 November 2000 07:40, Jamie Honan wrote: Just to confirm. I, too, tried out Netscape 6, and was disappointed. If the 'netscape' brand word is important to you, I'd hold out for subsequent releases. The main problem is speed. Jeff's advice, get mozilla, ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mozilla/mozilla/nightly/latest/ is worthwhile. Haven't tried Java sites etc, but so far so good. Much faster. (Install instructions a little confusing, but all seems to work) Also, talking of other browsers, I found BrowseX of use. http://www.pdqi.com/ This is Tcl/Tk based, with a html widget. Quite fast and nice. (Supports Tcl plugins out of box). If you need to tailor a browser, this can be important. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
