Re: [SLUG] Debian Vs Progeny
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: latest Debian (woody I believe is stable) Release? Potato is stable, so to my knowledge, woody is not. Although it must be close. Yup. potato == stable; woody == testing/unstable; sid == unstable -- jamesw Always two there are; a Bastard, and a PFY. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian Vs Progeny
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 03:37:19PM +1000, Scott Ragen wrote: Hi Guys, Has anyone had experience between both Progeny (rc2 stable) and the latest Debian (woody I believe is stable) Release? Which would be worth getting for a workstation/Gaming use (q3, UT etc)/Internet use, nothing as a gateway? Any thoughts or ideas would be great. I tried progeny rc1 on my laptop. It's a much easier (newbie friendly - and I don't mean that derogatorily I like simple installs) installer than standard debian. The problem for me was it didn't automatically setup my pcmcia ethernet card. Then when I went back after to set it up manually I found the module wasn't present at all (yet it is in debain potato). So I didn't bother perservering and just installed potato again. (it's the de600/de620 module for a Dlink DFE650-TXD card by the way). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Friday afternoon request for help - PLEASE
You certainly have some interesting suggestions for attempts to recover... The rpm --freshen won't work, that only upgrades existing files if they exist. There are some options on rpm that do allow you to over install missing packages, but they don't actively go out and look for the missing files and replace them, they just blindly replace files you tell it to replace. Even if you can get all the files back, you will still have some interesting times ahead of you. You'll need to save your current configs and then restore them. You can always cp -a /etc/* /home/etc_bak -or- tar -czf /home/etc_bak /etc/* To backup your etc files (and subdirs). But I will wager that most of your setup battle was with X, and that is gone... == Not to start a Holy War, but here is how I lay out my personal workstation with a 25Gb IDE drive and 96MB RAM: \boot 50MbP1 swap 192MbP2 (=2x memory) Extended PartitionP3 (rest of drive) \5Gb E5 \home 19+Gb E6 This gives me plenty of room to shoot myself in the foot if I do something stupid, but it also lets me upgrade my kernel and keep my old kernel on stand-by. Also if I chunk everything and re-install, then the stuff I really care about (the pictures of my kids, my email, etc) is safely tucked away at \home. Tell us your HD size and your RAM, and I guarantee you'll have get more helpful suggestions than NZ has sheep. Good luck - Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compiled new kernel, now oddball sound...
David, Depending on which distro you ar using, check that the user is included in the 'audio' group. The sound card will only be available to those people who have permission to access it, and it sounds like your user may not have permission. On Debian check out 'addgroup' Other distro's might use 'groupadd' (Or is it the other way around??) Otherwise if you use Linux conf check your users gropu memberships there. Steve "David Grubb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/04/01 11:26:15 Hi all, Compiled a new kernel during the week (2.2.19) - even getting my USB keyboard and mouse working (hey, for me that is an achievement ;) Everything is working fine, except for the sound. The es1371 module is being loaded on startup, and works fine when I log in as root, but I can't seem to get sound working for any other user (there are two user accounts, and its only used as a workstation - no internet connection). Starting xmms while logged in as a user returns an error along the lines of "Check soundcard is configured properly, etc" - but there are no problems with this as root. Any ideas what could be causing this? Cheers Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Upgrading glibc
Guys, I'm trying to upgrade KDE from 2.1 to 2.1.1 on a Mandrake 7.2 workstation at work. I downloaded all of the KDE211 mandrake packages, QT, and XFree86-4.0.3. When I went to do the usual trick of going into the KDE download directory and doing an "rpm -Uvh *", I got some dependancy errors - one on Freetype2, and two on XFree86-403. I downloaded and installed Freetype2 ok. I went into the XFree86-403 download dir, and did another "rpm -Uvh *" in there, which returned with a dependancy error - XFree86 4.0.3 requires glibc2.2. I have glibc2.1 installed on this system. Are there any issues to upgrading glibc from 2.1 to 2.2 that anyone knows about? -- Rebecca "becsta" Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.becsta.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] The Jedi Way
I know this is of subject. ok So this one came to me from a freind and I just had to pass it on to every one . Hi everybody, As some of you may know there is a census coming around on August the 7th. For those who don't know, a census is where the government gets your details like number of people in the house, religion, etc. It is this last point that some clever bunny has picked up on. If there are enough people in the country, about 10 000, who put down the same religion, it becomes a fully recognised and legal religion. It is for this reason that it has been suggested that anyone who does not have a dominant religion put down "Jedi" as their religion. So send this on to all your friends and tell them to put down "Jedi" as their religion and we can have "Jedi Knights" running around. Yes, this is a Sci-Fi thing, but it will also fuck with the government. So if not because you love Star Wars, then just to annoy people. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Jedi Way
This one time, at band camp, Robert Smith said: I know this is of subject. ok So this one came to me from a freind and I just had to pass it on to every one . Wasn't slug-chat built for this? I'm too tired to flame you properly, so just pretend that I have. Mainly because I've already got this 3 other times (at least you have trimmed out all the fwd: junk around the message). HAND. -- jamesw Always two there are; a Bastard, and a PFY. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Looking for a program that understands email Date: headers
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:21:05PM +1000, Sonam Chauhan wrote: I want to seperate messages stored in different mbox-format files into distinct files containing one email each, with filenames of the type: '20010101-1201-random_number.msg' (for a message sent on 12:01 Jan 1, 2001). I get the feeling with all these mail manipulation programs out there, there is likely to be one that understands a RFC 822 Date: header and converts the date to a simpler data structure. Q 1.) Can someone suggest such a program ? Perhaps formail(1)? I'm not really sure, but I *think* it could probably help with this... anyway, it's part of the procmail package on debian. Otherwise, Python has a rfc822 module :) I then intend sorting these messages by date (i.e. by filename) and feeding them one by one to hypermail (Hypermail requires mbox files to be date sorted, otherwise it gets mixed up in date sorting) Q 2.) Is there a better approach? I imagine there probably is, but I'm not sure what it is. And besides, I use mutt :) -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Effect of US$/AU$ on MS software.
MS has just announced Windows XP. Its pricing is also likely to reflect the _current_ exchange rate - in other words it just might price itself out of much of the local market. Looks like their "XP" might just stand for "Xcessive Price"...:-) Can only be A Good Thing. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Effect of US$/AU$ on MS software.
MS has just announced Windows XP. Its pricing is also likely to reflect the _current_ exchange rate - in other words it just might price itself out of much of the local market. the thing with software is that there is a very low cost to produce the physical disks, so MS has a lot of markup to play with in regards to the RRP... and they don't have to exactly consistent across world markets with the RRP... just as long as parallel importation of software is still here (but for how much longer?) they can set the RRP however the like... In this context the open source model could start to look very attractive to a lot of people who have not previously been involved with Linux.. keep in mind that while the intial software costs might go up, the TCO might be barely affected because there are a lot of service costs (admin, training etc.) that aren't affected by currency fluctuations... my 2 cents marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Slightly OT: Hardware query
I wouldn't mind a portable box myself, for demos etc. I can't stand notebooks, they just seem so flaky (and expensive). And if you don't need battery power i can't see how a box like that is going to be much cheaper... most of the expense in a laptop is the LCD and the custom components... looking at: http://www.stealthcomputer.com/portables_stealthbox_multi_slot.htm you still have the LCD and that box sure as hell isn't standard, so there will be some custom components required to build it... still, if it meets your needs... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Altavista - Probably OT
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:17:37PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: Have you tried going to: http://www.altavista.com/?ner=2 just going to www.altavista.com gets me the "global" version (as does the url suggested above) not the au one. What do they use to try to determine what country you're in anyway? Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Altavista - Probably OT
just going to www.altavista.com gets me the "global" version (as does the url suggested above) not the au one. What do they use to try to determine what country you're in anyway? Most probably reverse DNS, or something as silly. It isn't exact, but the moron's up top still take it as gospel, the bastards. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Steve "I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding contest." --Me -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[OT] Re: [SLUG] The Jedi Way
On 7 Apr 01, at 10:17, DaZZa wrote: It also leaves you liable for a fine of up to $1000 for providing alse information on your census. WRONG. The census forms cannot be traced back to any single person. All their adverts say the same thing, your personally identifiable information is removed BEFORE processing of the census forms. In that case, how do they know who gave them false information? Aussie (Having fun with census '01) PGP Key Block available at: http://aussie.mine.nu/aussie/pgp_key.txt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Jedi Way
I wasn't going to add to this extremely off topic thread.. BUT...! RANT TYPE="angry" Call yourself jedi, chrisian or bullamacanken .. 'sup to you.. What pisses me off severely is anyone deliberately fucking up census just because it's the "governemnt" (even little johnies version). These same fools are the first to complain if the ambulance doesn't arrive, there are pot holes in the road or no schools. The census has a perfectly valid function.. even the "religion" entry, and fools advocating fucking it up just make me ANGRY. OTOH, if you do want to put down "jedi", I can think of several ways that could serve a useful purpose. I leave it to others to imagine what they may be. /RANT On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Aussie wrote: On 7 Apr 01, at 10:17, DaZZa wrote: It also leaves you liable for a fine of up to $1000 for providing alse information on your census. WRONG. The census forms cannot be traced back to any single person. All their adverts say the same thing, your personally identifiable information is removed BEFORE processing of the census forms. In that case, how do they know who gave them false information? Aussie (Having fun with census '01) PGP Key Block available at: http://aussie.mine.nu/aussie/pgp_key.txt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Jedi Way
quote who="David" /RANT Watch out everyone! That's an invalid closing rant tag! WE'RE DOOMED! [ Indeed, this thread would have been perfect for slug-chat, your happy little village of bread-making tips, cries for help, no-holds-barred flame-festing and accusations of proprietary software abuse. ] - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://lwn.net/daily/ -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] embperl and mod_perl and multiuser machine
An interesting question about embperl. I know a few people are using it. I'm trying to set it up on a multiuser machine but I'm having a security issue. The start of most of my index.epl's look something like this $data_source = "dbi:Pg:dbname=$db_name"; $username = "user"; $password = "password"; $dbh = DBI-connect($data_source, $username, $password) or die "Couldn't connect to db $DBI::errstr"; now because the whole point of mod_perl, well one of them, is that there is just one perl process it runs on my box as www-data. ie you can't do any fancy su-exec stuff. This means that index.epl who is say owned by user johnf has to be -rw-r--r--1 statsstats6458 Apr 7 12:52 index.epl ie world readable so the webserver can open it. Hence the problem everyone can see the db password. The only way I can see around this is ti have a db.conf file with username and password details in it. Which is owned by www-data and 600. Problem with that is that then the users have to ask sysadmin to create it for them everytime they change their password or else write a suid script to do it for them. Anyone have any other ideas on how to get around this? I'm assuming things like php would have similar issues -- John Ferlito Senior Engineer - Bulletproof Networks ph: +61 (0) 410 519 382 http://www.bulletproof.net.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] embperl and mod_perl and multiuser machine
quote who="John Ferlito" ie world readable so the webserver can open it. Hence the problem everyone can see the db password. I'm assuming things like php would have similar issues I generally use a file layout like this: ~/url.com/root /include /otherstuff /databasefilesmaybe /logs and put all of the include files out of the webserver's immediately servable area (ie. not out in the public web tree). Each user has their include directory prepended to their include path, so they needn't specify where, yada. That's the external issues dealt with. Then, I set it so that scripts running under ~/url.com/ only have access to that tree - they cannot open files in other areas of the filesystem; errors spew if they try (see open_basedir[1]). That's the local issues dealt with - at least from the perspective of the scripts, and you're at the mercy of your scripting module's security in this area. Fixing the issue for shell users is... "Hard". :) This is done with PHP, but I'm sure mod_perl can offer similar functionality. Doubtless, Gus will amaze us with how it can automagically chroot each script and suck in db authentication information from the random clinks of coinage in Las Vegas. - Jeff (who has had far too much exposure to the godawful mess that is PHP in the last few weeks) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://lwn.net/daily/ -- chown -R us:us yourbase -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Portege and Boot Failure
hi guys just acquired a portege 7020ct and i am trying to install debian base from floppies (no cdrom!)... however the rescue disk always does a boot failed: insert another disk and press any key after it starts the loading linux... thing... i have spent all evening googling and linuxdocing and linux-laptop.neting and i can't figure it out... my best guess is it needs boot parameters passed to the kernel, but what they need to be i don't know... ideas? later marty I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me. - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
