Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment

2001-09-11 Thread Rick Moen

begin Rob B quotation:
 
 When I was working in the support section of an ISP, we routinely used
 a ping with this command (in hex) as payload to hang up customers with
 only one phone line :)  We found that the only modems that it wouldn't
 work on were the US Robotics - based ones, pretty much everything else
 was disconnected by it.

Interesting -- but that makes sense.  (And I've always told people, if
they ask my opinion about modems, to get a USR V.Everything external,
and even then to not rest content until they'd optimised its
S-registers.[1])  You're probably aware of the key point, here, but
others may not be:  That trick works because the modem _retransmits_ what
was furnished to it in the ping command.  In other words, the modem can
receive escape sequences all day long with no effect (e.g., in e-mail),
and not respond no matter how badly set up, but must be maneouvered into
transmitting them.

It's been years since I last even thought through the mechanics of this,
honestly.

[1] http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#whichmodem

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Re: [SLUG] Re: modem escape sequence - it got me.

2001-09-11 Thread Rick Moen

begin Gnuthad quotation:
 
 I guess putting rubbish like that in your headers makes you feel all 
 warm and fuzzy inside?

It provides me copious amounts of entertainment when people foam at the
mouth about it.  Which reminds me:  You're not really doing your job in
the frenetically scandalised department.  Could you please aim for a
little more boisterous outrage?  This will never do.

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Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment

2001-09-11 Thread Jon Biddell


When I was working in the support section of an ISP, we routinely used a
ping with this command (in hex) as payload to hang up customers with only
one phone line :)  We found that the only modems that it wouldn't work on
were the US Robotics - based ones, pretty much everything else was
disconnected by it.

Now THIS give me several evil ideas.:-)


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[SLUG] Unable to get webmin rpm

2001-09-11 Thread James Buchanan

I tried to ftp from my command line into ftp://ftp.webmin.com:21 and got an
HTML page back! I don't have a GUI on my Linux server and I have to login
remotely to get there, so I'm stuck on how to get this webmin software.

Can someone tell me how to get the latest webmin rpm for Linux with a
command line? I have tried:

$ ftp ftp.webmin.com

and

$ wget the-file-name

but without any luck.

I tried Lynx to follow the links to get the rpm but no luck there either.

Thanks,
James


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Re: [SLUG] Unable to get webmin rpm

2001-09-11 Thread David Kempe

James wget this url :
http://www.webmin.com/webmin/download/rpm/webmin-0.87.rpm

Dave

 I tried to ftp from my command line into ftp://ftp.webmin.com:21 and got
an
 HTML page back! I don't have a GUI on my Linux server and I have to login
 remotely to get there, so I'm stuck on how to get this webmin software.

 Can someone tell me how to get the latest webmin rpm for Linux with a
 command line? I have tried:

 $ ftp ftp.webmin.com

 and

 $ wget the-file-name



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Re: [SLUG] Unable to get webmin rpm

2001-09-11 Thread James Buchanan

Thanks Dave all done. Got it. :)

James


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[SLUG] Samba hooks in Perl?

2001-09-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble

What I'm after is rather unusual, but no doubt quite handy in a wide
range of other situations.  I want to be able to build a front-end to
a database through SMB file shares to Windows machines.

Here's my problem.  I'm working on a document management strategy here
at my new work.  Ideally it will fit in with peoples' current way of
working as closely as possible.  Everyone (hopefully) understands the
heirarchy of a file system.

The problem with a simple heirarchical structure is its single
dimensional categorisation.  You can decide that something is
Administration/HR/New PC policy.  However it could also be relevent to
Departments/IT/.  A simple way to do this is with symlinks but there's
no user-friendly way to do this that's consistent with the file system
interface -- don't even think about fscking Windows shortcuts.

So the way I'm thinking of doing it is to store everything in a
database with appropriate metadata attached to each file.  The files
can be explored through a web interface or through a heirarchical file
system structure.  To do this I need to be able to export it through
Samba.

Note this isn't a fully formed project, just an idealet.  Feel free to
comment.

Now the specifics: is there some way to export things to Samba through
Perl?  The only Perl modules matching Samba are smbclient front-ends
which isn't what I'm after.

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Re: [SLUG] VERY worrying

2001-09-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble

On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:26:51AM +1000, Silcock, Stephen uttered:

 Wouldn't this apply in the US only?

Notice Howard is in the US right now to lick Texan butt and try and
negotiate a free trade agreement with them?  Guess what the kicker
will be for the US?  That's right, their most profitable industries
(entertainment and software) will need protection.  Sacrifice one
heavily subsidised, not very profitable industry (farming) for the far
more profitable ones.

This has already happened with the North American Free Trade Agreement
(NAFTA) and was brought up at the recent Free Trade Agreement of the
Americas conference (much to the disgust of some South American
countries who have been compulsorily licensing AIDS drug patents).

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Re: [SLUG] Samba hooks in Perl?

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Foskey

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:

 
 So the way I'm thinking of doing it is to store everything in a
 database with appropriate metadata attached to each file.  The files
 can be explored through a web interface or through a heirarchical file
 system structure.  To do this I need to be able to export it through
 Samba.


You need Samba to put the document in a LInux server for the 'other 
side' but you do not need to use Samba for your web application.

On demand solution.   User clicks button on Admin page and find picks up 
all new documents since last search, registers them in database. 
grepping out the word info (assumed) would be very handy here.

Now you have your database of documents link away using your new 
application.

Periodic solution,  find on the entire file system and flag deleted 
documents and add new documents,  can be in combination to the on demand 
solution.

Just some thoughts,
KenF
PS:  This is better than the off topic crap lately.


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Re: [SLUG] Unable to get webmin rpm

2001-09-11 Thread Jon Biddell

At 21:53 11/09/01 +1000, James Buchanan wrote:
I tried to ftp from my command line into ftp://ftp.webmin.com:21 and got an
HTML page back! I don't have a GUI on my Linux server and I have to login
remotely to get there, so I'm stuck on how to get this webmin software.

Can someone tell me how to get the latest webmin rpm for Linux with a
command line? I have tried:

Do you want me to email it to you ?

Jon


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[SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Antony Clarke

Turn the news on.

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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson

This one time, at band camp, Antony Clarke wrote:
Turn the news on.

ObLinux:  xawtv and vcr are two excellent applications for those of you with
tv tuners.

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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Nick Croft

Are they after John Hunt?




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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Brad Thomson

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:58, Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This one time, at band camp, Antony Clarke wrote:
 Turn the news on.
 
 ObLinux:  xawtv and vcr are two excellent applications for those of you with
 tv tuners.

Oh Bugger (it deserves the caps). I have CNN live, but the tv card is at the
other end of town, I've had the VCR going pretty much from the start.

Scary, scary stuff.

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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jon Biddell

At 23:58 11/09/01 +1000, you wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Antony Clarke wrote:
 Turn the news on.

ObLinux:  xawtv and vcr are two excellent applications for those of you with
tv tuners.



And which tuner (that's CABLE / SATELLITE capable, of course) would Mr 
smartypants recommend ???...:-)



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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson

This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell wrote:
And which tuner (that's CABLE / SATELLITE capable, of course) would Mr 
smartypants recommend ???...:-)

I don't know what he'd recommend, but *my* WinTV BT-878 card has an s-video
input and the antenna coax, so I could in theory plug it into a cable
decoder box.

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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Rick Moen

begin Antony Clarke quotation:

 Turn the news on.

A very sad day, to be sure.  


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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble

Holy shit!  Feeling rather comfortable here on the 19th floor in the
tallest building in this part of London working for an Israeli
company.  Erk.

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[SLUG] Re: Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread James Buchanan

Shit! Possibly thousands of people are dead. The WTO towers can hold 50,000
workers. Both towers are down.

Well, if we are going to have WW3 now is the time it is most likely.

I wonder if any buildings in Australia or Britain will be targeted?

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RE: [SLUG] Re: Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Hague

On 11-Sep-2001 James Buchanan wrote:
 I wonder if any buildings in Australia or Britain will be targeted?

Rumour of the moment: hijacked airliner heading from Amsterdam to London.

I am feeling somewhat more confortable sitting here 20 miles to the west of
London than I would be closer in.

Meanwhile the City has closed down and is running for the exits.

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[SLUG] Re: Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Richard Ibbotson

All

 I wonder if any buildings in Australia or Britain will be targeted?

Nothing here just the States.  Both towers and one part of the 
Pentagon.   That is extremely serious.  Being an ex-serviceman I can 
say that I don't like any of it.

The news reports on the TV go on about being worse than Perl Harbor 
.   I think we know what that means ?   I've been expecting it for 
years.

Vogon comstructor fleet should turn up tomorrow ?

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[SLUG] Naughty IMAP, naughty

2001-09-11 Thread Howard Lowndes

For some obsure reason I was looking at my mailbox in its raw form and I
noticed the first message in the box, which I know is put there by the
IMAP protocol to carry its stats, but this line rather stood out:

X-IMAP: 0967272335 039418 lesbo, homo, lesbian, anarchism, nazi, communism, CIA, 
bomb,

The odd thing is that this is the only mailbox with this line in this
form, all the others just have the numbers.

paranoid
Is my mailer trying to compromise me (8-)
/paranoid

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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jon Biddell

At 07:29 11/09/01 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
begin Antony Clarke quotation:

  Turn the news on.

A very sad day, to be sure.


Um... Can someone enlighten me pls ?

Jon


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Re: [SLUG] Check this out

2001-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Jon Biddell

 Um... Can someone enlighten me pls ?

You've probably heard by now. Turn on your television. :)

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Re: [SLUG] Naughty IMAP, naughty

2001-09-11 Thread Dave Morrison

I did hear from some nutball last week that this week was national 
echelon week... where ppl were going to send emails and phone calls etc 
containing multiple key words to try and fill up and cause havoc with 
echelon... maybe something to do with that??

argh... who knows

Dave

- Original Message -
From: Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:44 am
Subject: [SLUG] Naughty IMAP, naughty

 For some obsure reason I was looking at my mailbox in its raw form 
 and I
 noticed the first message in the box, which I know is put there by the
 IMAP protocol to carry its stats, but this line rather stood out:
 
 X-IMAP: 0967272335 039418 lesbo, homo, lesbian, anarchism, 
 nazi, communism, CIA, bomb,
 
 The odd thing is that this is the only mailbox with this line in this
 form, all the others just have the numbers.
 
 paranoid
 Is my mailer trying to compromise me (8-)
 /paranoid
 
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[SLUG] XFree86 badness

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen Graham

Hey,

Two days ago I apt-got the latest (woody) version of XFree86:
  XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
  (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)

I can now no longer run X.  When I try to kick off xdm or startx I get the following 
message:
snip - the output is large and I will forward it to people on request

  (II) Setting vga for screen 0.
  (EE) VGA(0): Driver can't support depth 24
  (II) UnloadModule: vga
  (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

  Fatal server error:
  no screens found

Now the odd thing is that (a) my XFree86Config file has not changed at all, and (b) my 
default colour depth is 16 bit.  Below is a copy of my relevant definitions in 
/etc/X11/XFree86Config:

  Section Module
  Loaddbe # Double buffer extension
  SubSection  extmod
Optionomit xfree86-dga   # don't initialise the DGA extension
  EndSubSection
  Loadtype1
  Loadfreetype
  Load   glx
  EndSection
  
  Section Files
  RgbPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
  FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
  EndSection

  Section ServerFlags
  EndSection
  
  Section InputDevice
  IdentifierKeyboard1
  DriverKeyboard
  Option AutoRepeat 500 30
  Option XkbRules xfree86
  Option XkbModel pc101
  Option XkbLayoutus
  EndSection
  
  Section InputDevice
Identifier Mouse1
Driver mouse
Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2
Option Device /dev/mouse
Option Buttons 7
Option ZAxisMapping 6 7
  EndSection

  Section Monitor
  Identifier  My Monitor
  HorizSync   31.5 - 64.3
  VertRefresh 50-90
  EndSection

  Section Device
  Identifier  Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 PRO
  Driver  s3virge
  #VideoRam4096
   #Option xaa_benchmark
   #Option fifo_moderate
   #Option pci_burst_on
   #Option pci_retry
  # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
  EndSection
  
  Section Screen
  Identifier  Screen 1
  Device  Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 PRO
  Monitor My Monitor
  DefaultDepth 16
  
  Subsection Display
  Depth   8
  Modes   640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth   16
  Modes   1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth   24
  Modes   640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  EndSection
  
  Section ServerLayout
  Identifier  Simple Layout
  Screen Screen 1
  InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer
  InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard
  EndSection

Help?

Stephen

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Re: [SLUG] XFree86 badness

2001-09-11 Thread Mike Holland

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Stephen Graham wrote:

 Two days ago I apt-got the latest (woody) version of XFree86:
   XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System

Were you running V3 or V4 before? if V3 then its a major upgrade and you
should reconfigure.

 Now the odd thing is that (a) my XFree86Config file has not changed at all, and (b) 
my default colour depth is 16 bit.  Below is a copy of my relevant definitions in 
/etc/X11/XFree86Config:

Wrong name. Old file is XF86Config, new one is XF86Config-4, with a new
format. Its supposed to fall back to the old one if needed.
  (if typo, best to cut  paste names)

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RE: [SLUG] Samba hooks in Perl?

2001-09-11 Thread Jill Rowling

I'd strongly suggest making it web-only, without the SMB side.
Reason being, no doubt at some time in the future the powers that be will
want to link it into their office in another country, and SMB will be pretty
slow (even on a VPN).
Also if it is web based it means you won't have to support the end users'
PCs anywhere near as much. Your IT Dept will love you for it as they won't
have to worry about setting file permissions for new users/groups/blah.
Even NT admins admit that SMB/CIFS is slow and bulky!

I use smbclient in an application (actually in sh, rather than PERL) but I
use it like FTP. That is, I just get the files I need (using cron) and work
on them with PERL on a local disk rather than through the temperamental SMB
interface.

Regards,

Jill.

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 Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 23:05
 To: slug
 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Samba hooks in Perl?
 
 
 Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
 
  
  So the way I'm thinking of doing it is to store everything in a
  database with appropriate metadata attached to each file.  The files
  can be explored through a web interface or through a 
 heirarchical file
  system structure.  To do this I need to be able to export it through
  Samba.


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Re: [SLUG] XFree86 badness

2001-09-11 Thread Crossfire

Mike Holland was once rumoured to have said:
 On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Stephen Graham wrote:
 Now the odd thing is that (a) my XFree86Config file has not changed
 at all, and (b) my default colour depth is 16 bit.  Below is a copy
 of my relevant definitions in /etc/X11/XFree86Config:
 
 Wrong name. Old file is XF86Config, new one is XF86Config-4, with a new
 format. Its supposed to fall back to the old one if needed.
   (if typo, best to cut  paste names)

Uh, no.

XF86Config is still supported by XFree4 but if XF86Config-4 is found
first, then that is used in prefernce to XF86Config.  Of course, if
you want to have both v3 and v4 installed and workable at once, you
need to use the -4 suffix so you can build a valid configuration for
v3.

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Re: [SLUG] XFree86 badness

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen Graham

Well tickle me pink, I am a moron...

It is the XF86Config-4 file (even though I had been using v4 earlier, I had only a 
XF86Config file...)

Thanks

Stephen

This one time, at band camp, Mike Holland said:
 On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Stephen Graham wrote:
 
  Two days ago I apt-got the latest (woody) version of XFree86:
XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
 
 Were you running V3 or V4 before? if V3 then its a major upgrade and you
 should reconfigure.
 
  Now the odd thing is that (a) my XFree86Config file has not changed at all, and 
(b) my default colour depth is 16 bit.  Below is a copy of my relevant definitions in 
/etc/X11/XFree86Config:
 
 Wrong name. Old file is XF86Config, new one is XF86Config-4, with a new
 format. Its supposed to fall back to the old one if needed.
   (if typo, best to cut  paste names)
 
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