Re: [SLUG] Performance issues with new linux system.

2001-09-16 Thread Grant Byers

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The system hardware is as follows:
> 64 Meg GeForce2 MX
> 1024 MB RAM
> ASUS A7V133 Motherboard
> Athlon 1.2 Ghz CPU
> Pioneer DVD
> SB Live! Soundcard
> NetGear Ethernet (National Semiconductors Chipset)
> 40 Gig IBM 7200rpm IDE HDD
>
> All the hardware is up and working all OK, but i am having a fairly
> large performance issue which I cannot seem to work my way through
> Whenever i am downloading files of about 40meg or higher  or putting a
> medium to high load on the system ,  the machine becomes extremely slow
> and sometimes borderline on unresponsive.
>
> I have done some investigation work on the problem and found (from
> running top) that when the system does slow down the process 'kupdated'
> starts chewing alot of CPU resources.

> (I have noticed that linux is not using the full 1024 megs of RAM that i
> have which i am about to rectify shortly, i am unaware of this would be
> responsible somehow for this issue, but i doubt it..)

You should at least sort this out first, to eliminate it as a possibility. 
How about booting with something like the following, as a temporary measure:-
 mem=512M(where label is what you'd normally type to enter linux from 
the bootprompt. presuming LILO as bootloader)

I guess another place to start looking would be resource conflicts. I know my 
motherboard manual tells me which slots have conflicts with which, and what 
setups work and which dont.

I have a similar system, although only 640M RAM running same kernel. This is 
why i suggest at least eliminating the RAM possibility, as mine runs fine.
For conflicts, you can probably cat /proc/interrupts etc.

Maybe none of this helps, just thoughts ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Crossfire

Daron Barndon was once rumoured to have said:
> So the rarp command doesnt work anymore? I'm sorry if I have made a silly
> mistake but when I try to rarp -a it complains about no rarp in kernel.

Yes, this is because `rarp' as a utility is depricated.  rarp -a has
no real significance elsewhere because the kernel doesn't need to
maintain a RARP table since the RARP data is never needed for IP
transmission.

Since you're almost certainly using this to net-boot a device of some
sort, my advice is to fire up tcpdump, and then try to boot the device
and watch what happens using tcpdump or ethereal.

Also, if you can find one, a rarp client will help you debug the rarpd
if its not working.

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RE: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup

2001-09-16 Thread Jill Rowling

Thanks,

I have tried the files from a RH6.0 installation I still have (I never had
6.2 here at work so I can't try that one), also someone sent me another
xterm file which I tried too.

Neither were satisfactory, making me think that it's not the XTerm file
which is causing the problem, rather than something wrong with the way
terminfo is being used.

BTW I said the problem was "Solved" by hacking around with the X server (PC)
but this is only satisfactory for comman line work; it makes vi and emacs
fail miserably.

Here is stty -a (on RH7.1 machine via hummingbird xterminal):

speed 38400 baud; rows 36; columns 80; line = 0;
intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ;
eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W;
lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon
-ixoff
-iuclc -ixany -imaxbel
opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0
ff0
isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt
echoctl echoke

And here is is again (on Sun Solaris 7 machine with the same xterminal)

speed 9600 baud; 
rows = 24 columns = 80; ypixels = 316 xpixels = 499
intr = ^c; quit = ^|; erase = ^h; kill = ^u;
eof = ^d; eol = ; eol2 = ; swtch = ;
start = ^q; stop = ^s; susp = ^z; dsusp = ^y;
rprnt = ^r; flush = ^o; werase = ^w; lnext = ^v;
parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -parext 
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc 
ixon -ixany -ixoff -imaxbel 
isig icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh 
-tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke -defecho -flusho -pendin iexten 
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel

Now ^h does in fact perform a backspace erase on both. But the backspace key
only erases on the Sun and not on the Linux system.
By the way, if I telnet to the Linux system, backspace/erase works fine.

Any more ideas?

Regards,

Jill.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2001 12:47
> To: Ian Ward; Jill Rowling
> Cc: slug
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup
> 
> 
> OOPs, you have to go back to RH 6.2
> 
> I don't have the time or inclination to find out exactly what the
> differences are.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jill Rowling" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "slug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup
> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jill Rowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Slug (E-mail)'"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 -- solved!
> >
> >
> > Hi Jill, some time ago we were both looking at why backspace was not
> > functioning in rsh after RH7.1 upgrade
> >
> > Grab the following files from your RH 7.0 Backups
> > ./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
> > ./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Daron Barndon

So the rarp command doesnt work anymore? I'm sorry if I have made a silly
mistake but when I try to rarp -a it complains about no rarp in kernel.

I tried running rarpd as well...

-Original Message-
From: Crossfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2001 4:19 PM
To: Daron Barndon
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] RARPD


Daron Barndon was once rumoured to have said:
> Correct - but the kernel still doesnt support RARP (AFAIK). This is the
> problem. I believe RARP support was removed sometime during the 2.3.x
> kernels.

Why should the kernel need to support it when the daemon does that for you?

*sigh*

The kernel support was just an in-kernel implementation of the RARP
server.  When using the 2.2 kernel support you'd use `rarp' to
initialise the address table.

You don't use `rarp' with 2.4, you use `rarpd' instead which
implements the RARP server in userspace.

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Re: [SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Crossfire

Daron Barndon was once rumoured to have said:
> Correct - but the kernel still doesnt support RARP (AFAIK). This is the
> problem. I believe RARP support was removed sometime during the 2.3.x
> kernels.

Why should the kernel need to support it when the daemon does that for you?

*sigh*

The kernel support was just an in-kernel implementation of the RARP
server.  When using the 2.2 kernel support you'd use `rarp' to
initialise the address table.

You don't use `rarp' with 2.4, you use `rarpd' instead which
implements the RARP server in userspace.

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RE: [SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Daron Barndon

Correct - but the kernel still doesnt support RARP (AFAIK). This is the
problem. I believe RARP support was removed sometime during the 2.3.x
kernels.

Thanks anyway :-)

-Original Message-
From: Crossfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2001 3:52 PM
To: Daron Barndon
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] RARPD


Daron Barndon was once rumoured to have said:
> Does anyone know how to get RARP working under the 2.4.x kernel? I have
> installed RARPD but when I try "rarp -a" it tells me there is no support
in
> the kernel. According to doco found on the web it was removed since
2.3.x...
> :-(

read `man rarpd'.

rarpd uses the /etc/ethers file to get the mappings.

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Re: [SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Crossfire

Daron Barndon was once rumoured to have said:
> Does anyone know how to get RARP working under the 2.4.x kernel? I have
> installed RARPD but when I try "rarp -a" it tells me there is no support in
> the kernel. According to doco found on the web it was removed since 2.3.x...
> :-(

read `man rarpd'.

rarpd uses the /etc/ethers file to get the mappings.

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Re: [SLUG] Kernel

2001-09-16 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 03:12:37PM +1100, Adam Vaughan wrote:
> We have our own software that uses TCP/IP communications.  Certain
> parameters in Redhat 7 have had to be set/changed for this software to
> work.

For example? Your question if extremely broad, probably too broad to be
answered as asked. What things needed to be changed?

> Now Redhat 7.1 does not work.  What are the differences in the TCP/IP
> implelentation between Redhat 7 and Redhat 7.1?

Well, I guess you mean the differences between the TCP/IP stack in the
kernel versions and possibly the various tools that work with the stack
(e.g. libpcap). Unfortunately, I can't remember the two kernel versions
that were standard with those distros (although 2.2.15 for 7.0 sounds
familiar). If one is 2.2.x and one is 2.4.x, then there were definitely
some changes. You can find these in the kernel ChangeLogs a bit, but
most of the details are in the code and not of relevance in day-to-day
use.

The Linux kernel IP stacks strive to be RFC compliant as much as
possible, so nothing major changed.

> Any help or even an e-mail address for someone who can help me   
> you be greatly appericated.

You could try browsing the linux kernel-traffic archives
(http://kt.zork.net) for any major network stack changes. I couldn't
fashion a reliable and tight Google search for this area, but, again,
it's pretty broad and I probably didn't try hard enough.

Cheers,
Malcolm

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[SLUG] Kernel

2001-09-16 Thread Adam Vaughan

Hi,

We have our own software that uses TCP/IP communications.  Certain
parameters in Redhat 7 have had to be set/changed for this software to
work.

Now Redhat 7.1 does not work.  What are the differences in the TCP/IP
implelentation between Redhat 7 and Redhat 7.1?

Any help or even an e-mail address for someone who can help me   
you be greatly appericated.

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] apache: mixing access methods "AuthUserFile" & "allow from"

2001-09-16 Thread John Clarke

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 01:10:56PM +1000, Ian Ward wrote:

> # Special dealer support area
> 
> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride   Limit
> AuthNamedealer
> AuthTypeBasic
> AuthUserFile/etc/httpd/security/dealer.passwd
> AuthGroupFile   /etc/httpd/security/dealer.group
> 
> require valid-user
> 
> 
> 
> I don't seem to be able to mix access methods, I would like the intranet
> people from the 192.168.0.0/8 to have access without being prompted for a
> username password.

Here's an example:


SetHandler server-status
Order deny,allow
Deny from all
Allow from .vastsystems.com.au
Allow from localhost
AuthType Basic
AuthName serverstatus
AuthGroupFile /etc/httpd/auth/apache.groups
AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/auth/apache.users
require group vast
satisfy any


Anyone connecting from *.vastsystems.com.au or localhost isn't prompted
for a password; those connecting from elsewhere need to provide a
username and password.


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[SLUG] Performance issues with new linux system.

2001-09-16 Thread keiranjt

Hi,
This is actually my first post to the SLUG mailing list, so please bare
with me...

About 3 weeks ago i purchased a new x86 system for my home workstation,
It is currently dual booting Win2k Pro and RedHat Linux 7.1 with Linux
being the primary Operating system used on the machine.
Upon install of linux i upgraded my kernel to 2.4.8 via the official
source, downloaded from kernel.org. (I have attatched my .config)

The system hardware is as follows:
64 Meg GeForce2 MX
1024 MB RAM
ASUS A7V133 Motherboard
Athlon 1.2 Ghz CPU
Pioneer DVD
SB Live! Soundcard
NetGear Ethernet (National Semiconductors Chipset)
40 Gig IBM 7200rpm IDE HDD

All the hardware is up and working all OK, but i am having a fairly
large performance issue which I cannot seem to work my way through
Whenever i am downloading files of about 40meg or higher  or putting a
medium to high load on the system ,  the machine becomes extremely slow
and sometimes borderline on unresponsive.

I have done some investigation work on the problem and found (from
running top) that when the system does slow down the process 'kupdated'
starts chewing alot of CPU resources.

I have asked a few people on IRC and via mail about the problem and they
have not heard of anything similar or are unaware of any good
documentation on the kupdated daemon.

I have read through the kernel documentation on the /Proc Filesystem
which was advised to me by a friend but had no luck there either.

What i am asking is if anyone has seen any problems like this or could
help me possibly diagnose the problem as the current lag on the system
is making my older PII-400 Mhz system look like a better performer :(

Below is my current dmesg for reference.

Linux version 2.4.8 (root@Mortesia) (gcc version 2.96 2731 (Red Hat
Linux 7.1 2.96-81)) #2 Sun Sep 16 23:55:01 EST 2001
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820:  - 0009fc00 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0010 - 3ffec000 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 3ffec000 - 3ffef000 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: 3ffef000 - 3000 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 3000 - 4000 (ACPI NVS)
 BIOS-e820:  - 0001 (reserved)
Warning only 896MB will be used.
Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel.
On node 0 totalpages: 229376
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 225280 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=newkernel ro root=305
BOOT_FILE=/boot/newkern2
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 1208.770 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 2411.72 BogoMIPS
Memory: 899248k/917504k available (1560k kernel code, 17868k reserved,
595k data, 208k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff , vendor = 2
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff  
CPU: After generic, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff  
CPU: Common caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff  
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor stepping 02
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf1150, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent
PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0686] at 00:04.0
Applying VIA southbridge workaround.
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Starting kswapd v1.8
NTFS version 1.1.15
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
block: 128 slots per queue, batch=16
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with
idebus=xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: IC35L040AVER07-0, ATA DISK drive
hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-116 0107, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 80418240 sectors (41174 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=5005/255/63
hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache, UD

[SLUG] RARPD

2001-09-16 Thread Daron Barndon

Does anyone know how to get RARP working under the 2.4.x kernel? I have
installed RARPD but when I try "rarp -a" it tells me there is no support in
the kernel. According to doco found on the web it was removed since 2.3.x...
:-(

I am trying to boot a java station with linux...

Thanks

Daron Barndon
Senior Network Engineer
Smart Communications Group Australia Pty Ltd
Phone:  +61(0)282587769
Fax:+61(0)282587790
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Re: [SLUG] apache: mixing access methods "AuthUserFile" & "allowfrom"

2001-09-16 Thread Rick Welykochy

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Ian Ward wrote:

> # Special dealer support area
> 
> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride   Limit
> AuthNamedealer
> AuthTypeBasic
> AuthUserFile/etc/httpd/security/dealer.passwd
> AuthGroupFile   /etc/httpd/security/dealer.group
> 
> require valid-user
> 
> 
> 
> I don't seem to be able to mix access methods, I would like the intranet
> people from the 192.168.0.0/8 to have access without being prompted for a
> username password.
> 
> How can I mix the above method with the more common method of:

How about making a symlink from /support/dealer to another directory,
and then specify the different access control for the symlink?

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[SLUG] apache: mixing access methods "AuthUserFile" & "allow from"

2001-09-16 Thread Ian Ward

Hi all,

I'm using authentication for an area on an apache web site with the
following directives:


# Special dealer support area

Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride   Limit
AuthNamedealer
AuthTypeBasic
AuthUserFile/etc/httpd/security/dealer.passwd
AuthGroupFile   /etc/httpd/security/dealer.group

require valid-user



I don't seem to be able to mix access methods, I would like the intranet
people from the 192.168.0.0/8 to have access without being prompted for a
username password.

How can I mix the above method with the more common method of:
# Allow access to WEB statistics from local network
Alias /useage /home/webalizer/www.xxx

order deny,allow
deny from all
allow from 127.0.0.1 192.168.
Options Indexes



Is the answer virtual hosts? one for each interface internal/external ?

tia Ian


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Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup

2001-09-16 Thread Ian Ward

OOPs, you have to go back to RH 6.2

I don't have the time or inclination to find out exactly what the
differences are.


- Original Message -
From: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jill Rowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "slug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup


> - Original Message -
> From: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jill Rowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Slug (E-mail)'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 -- solved!
>
>
> Hi Jill, some time ago we were both looking at why backspace was not
> functioning in rsh after RH7.1 upgrade
>
> Grab the following files from your RH 7.0 Backups
> ./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
> ./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 - followup

2001-09-16 Thread Ian Ward

- Original Message -
From: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jill Rowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Slug (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Remote X login on RH 7.1 -- solved!


Hi Jill, some time ago we were both looking at why backspace was not
functioning in rsh after RH7.1 upgrade

Grab the following files from your RH 7.0 Backups
./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color





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Re: [SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread Mikolaj J. Habryn

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 09:25:07AM +1000, Crossfire wrote:
> my @splitline = split /\s+/, $line;
> my @ipaddr = ();
> foreach $i (@splitline) {
>   if ($i =~ m/^\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+$/) {
>   push @ipaddr, $i;
>   }
> }

>   if ($i =~ m/^(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)$/) ...

  Yuck :)

  my @ips = grep { /^(\d{1,3}\.){3}\d{1,3}$/ } split /\s+/, $line;

m.

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Re: [SLUG] Bandwith problems or server load

2001-09-16 Thread Mike Holland

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Antony Clarke wrote:

> On that fatefull day in the USA, www.cnn.com and most other news sites were
> unreachable for a few hours even to american users with leased lines. Does

I was able to reach CNN a few hours after it started. A bit slow and some
timeouts, but semi-usable. BBC and slashdot were fine, so the backbone was
OK. This was via optusnet.

> anyone know if this was due to bandwith availability or load on the servers?
> Can a connection timeout be caused by more than a bandwith problem?

I think you just answered that - server overload for dynamically generated
pages. Unfortunately, they didnt seem to have an automatic mechanism for
switching to static, low-graphics pages.

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[SLUG] JTAG programming thingy?

2001-09-16 Thread Mikolaj J. Habryn

  Does anybody know where I can get a JTAG programming thingy
and how much it might cost? I think I managed to fry the flash
on my CerfCube (which was running Linux, so this /is/ on topic,
dammit), and there doesn't seem to be any other way to fix it.

  There's also http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/, but
the only thing that I know how to do with a soldering iron is
to burn myself (but just in case, where does one go to shop 
for a 74AHC541?).

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[SLUG] compiling gcc 3.01 on RH 7.1

2001-09-16 Thread Bevan Broun

Did anyone else have trouble with "make bootstrap" on RH 7.1? Mine died
with:

sed -e

'/^#/s/\([ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ_][ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ_]*\)/_GLIBCPP_\1/g'
\
-e 's,^#include "\(.*\)",#include ,g' \
< /usr/src/gcc-3.0.1/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/../gcc/gthr.h >
i686-pc-linux-gnu/bits/gthr.h
/bin/sh: /usr/src/gcc-3.0.1/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/../gcc/gthr.h:
No such file or directory
make[4]: *** [i686-pc-linux-gnu/bits/gthr.h] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/gcc-3.0.1/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/include'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/gcc-3.0.1/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/gcc-3.0.1/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3'
make[1]: *** [all-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gcc-3.0.1'
make: *** [bootstrap] Error 2

Im sure I could get it to compile, needs an extra "../", but I expected
3.02 to get released cause everyone was going to have trouble. It seems
it's just me.

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Re: [SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread Crossfire

peterw was once rumoured to have said:
> Scott Howard wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:39:33PM +1000, peterw wrote:
> > > Given an alpha numeric string of vaying length that contains 0 or more
> > > valid IP numbers(dotted quad decimal)and each IP(if there is one) is
> > > seperated form the next IP or other text by one or more spaces how can I
> > > use Perl to retrieve thes IP's  into an array ?
> > 
> > Presuming the string is in $_
> > @IP = split;
> > 
> >   Scott.
> 
> Sorry should have explained better. String can have one or more groups
> of alpha numeric characters. Each group of chracters is seperated by one
> or more spaces. Each group can have one or more charcters. Zero or more
> of these groups may be a valid IP. The IP 's can occur anywhere in the
> string. The IP's may or may not be consecutive.
> 
> If I use split how do I know which array elements are the IP's ?

Assuming $line has your line in it, you should be able to use
something like:

my @splitline = split /\s+/, $line;
my @ipaddr = ();
foreach $i (@splitline) {
if ($i =~ m/^\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+$/) {
push @ipaddr, $i;
}
}

@ipaddr will then contain all the ip-like data.

the looser form regexp is preferred since dotted quad is a fairly
loosely defined structure.  If you're paranoid, you can use:

if ($i =~ m/^(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)$/) ...

then perform a secondary test on $1, $2, $3 and $4 to make sure
they're numerically between 0 and 255 (inclusively).

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[SLUG] Subversion M3

2001-09-16 Thread Jeff Waugh

So,

Subversion has reached milestone 3, which means that it's hosting itself.
All Subversion development is now done against a Subversion repository. This
is way cool.

It's a replacement for CVS, based on WebDAV and Apache 2.0, and will
hopefully get rid of all those annoying things you've come to hate about
CVS. (I've even heard a whisper that GNOME may migrate to it fairly soon.)

You can read about it here: http://subversion.tigris.org/

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Re: [SLUG] (no subject)

2001-09-16 Thread Rick Moen

begin Jon Biddell quotation:

> Yes, correct... And also correct about tar, which is a pain
> 
> Although I have a script (from Anthony Rumble) that seems to build a list 
> of files and then back them up - you might modify that.

There's a collection of such scripts in
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/backup/ , and I have an archive 
of tools and information about Linux-based backup here:
http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/backup/  I hope they're useful to
someone.

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Re: [SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread peterw

Scott Howard wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:39:33PM +1000, peterw wrote:
> > Given an alpha numeric string of vaying length that contains 0 or more
> > valid IP numbers(dotted quad decimal)and each IP(if there is one) is
> > seperated form the next IP or other text by one or more spaces how can I
> > use Perl to retrieve thes IP's  into an array ?
> 
> Presuming the string is in $_
> @IP = split;
> 
>   Scott.

Sorry should have explained better. String can have one or more groups
of alpha numeric characters. Each group of chracters is seperated by one
or more spaces. Each group can have one or more charcters. Zero or more
of these groups may be a valid IP. The IP 's can occur anywhere in the
string. The IP's may or may not be consecutive.

If I use split how do I know which array elements are the IP's ?

Peter

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Re: [SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread Andre Pang

On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:39:33PM +1000, peterw wrote:

> Given an alpha numeric string of vaying length that contains 0 or more
> valid IP numbers(dotted quad decimal)and each IP(if there is one) is
> seperated form the next IP or other text by one or more spaces how can I
> use Perl to retrieve thes IP's  into an array ?

the following lil script will print out every single IP address found in a file:

#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w

$ip_regex = qr/([01]?\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.
   ([01]?\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])/x;

while (<>) {
while (/$ip_regex/g) {
print "found IP $1.$2.$3.$4\n";
}
}

adjust as needed.


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Re: [SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread Scott Howard

On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:39:33PM +1000, peterw wrote:
> Given an alpha numeric string of vaying length that contains 0 or more
> valid IP numbers(dotted quad decimal)and each IP(if there is one) is
> seperated form the next IP or other text by one or more spaces how can I
> use Perl to retrieve thes IP's  into an array ?

Presuming the string is in $_
@IP = split;

  Scott.

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[SLUG] Perl IP's etc

2001-09-16 Thread peterw

Given an alpha numeric string of vaying length that contains 0 or more
valid IP numbers(dotted quad decimal)and each IP(if there is one) is
seperated form the next IP or other text by one or more spaces how can I
use Perl to retrieve thes IP's  into an array ?

Ta
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RE: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread Rachel Polanskis

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Doug Stalker wrote:

> > So this x-fnord  thingie is designed to cause mischief,
> > a bit like a virus really.
> 
> To find out all about fnords, read the Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Shea
> and Robert Anton Wilson.
> 

And have a look at the church of the sub-genius on the net while you're 
at it.  Fnord, Fnord, fnord ;)

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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread Scott Howard

On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:44:15PM +1000, getadog wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 06:10:09PM +1000, Doug Stalker wrote:
> > This used to work many years ago in the days of dialup BBSes.  I suspect
> > that it won't do anything at all now, as the modem will only accept the
> > escape sequence from the local side to avoid a potential DOS attack.
> 
> You're right, but there are two modems in a dialup link.
> 
> [PC]-DTE---[Modem1]---Line---[Modem2]---DTE-[Router]--(internet)
> 
> (The DTE is the local side)
> 
> If someone from the internet sends the PC the magic + + + sequence,
> (in the right to left direction) Modem1 won't act on it because it 
> receives it from the line (as stated above), but Modem2 receives it 
> from the DTE (the local side), so it can potentially act on it. 
> (assuming Modem2 is a standalone modem that hasn't been configured 
> properly and without the guard time)

Which there are very (very) few of. Very few ISPs still use standalone
modems, and even for those that do they are generally using better
quality modems which do support the "guard time" and thus are not
vulnerable to this problem, and/or they are running their modems in
"dumb" mode where they do not accept +++ or AT commands anyway.

> I've been told I'm wrong because the + + + wasn't issued locally
> (what ever that means). Am I wrong? Please educate me.

You're only wrong in the sense that the chances of the above being a
problem is next to zero.  The normal way that this problem is exploited
is using a ping packet TO the host with the faulty modem. The ping
packet goes from right to left in your diagram, and is received by your
PC, which then sends a return ping packet back containing the data sent
to it in the original ping packet!  ie, if someone sends you a ping with
the relevant text in it, then you will send the exact same text back to
them. As the text is now going left to right in your diagram, your modem
will hangup if it's vulnerable.

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Re: [SLUG] eth0 kernel message?

2001-09-16 Thread Jamie Wilkinson

This one time, at band camp, David wrote:
>Suspect short first fragment.
>eth0 PROTO=6 208.159.245.1:0 203.23.36.1:0 L=20 S=0x00 I=7444 F=0x4000
>T=116 (#0)

>First, what does it mean?

A suspected short TCP packet came in on eth0, using from no particular port
on 208.159.245.1, destined for no particular port on 203.23.36.1, with a
bunch of flags.  It was caught by the 0th rule in your firewalling scripts.

>Second, how would I find out what this or any other such message means
>without having to ask the erudite denizens of SLUG?

/etc/protocols holds the list of protocol numbers from the PROTO= field, #0
refers to the ipchains rule that triggered the log message, the IP:port
notation should be obvious.  For the rest, I'd suggest looking at the
Firewalling HOWTO, IIRC there was a section that spelt out what the log
messages meant.

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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread getadog

> > I suspect that the mail client doesn't have to be "broken" as the modem
> > will see the escape sequence before any running program(the mail client)
> > gets it. So if you are using a modem out of the box and your connection
> > software doesn't reprogram it before it dials up, there is a good chance
> > that the modem will hang up regardless of what mail client you are
> > using.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 06:10:09PM +1000, Doug Stalker wrote:
> This used to work many years ago in the days of dialup BBSes.  I suspect
> that it won't do anything at all now, as the modem will only accept the
> escape sequence from the local side to avoid a potential DOS attack.

You're right, but there are two modems in a dialup link.

[PC]-DTE---[Modem1]---Line---[Modem2]---DTE-[Router]--(internet)

(The DTE is the local side)

If someone from the internet sends the PC the magic + + + sequence,
(in the right to left direction) Modem1 won't act on it because it 
receives it from the line (as stated above), but Modem2 receives it 
from the DTE (the local side), so it can potentially act on it. 
(assuming Modem2 is a standalone modem that hasn't been configured 
properly and without the guard time)

I've been told I'm wrong because the + + + wasn't issued locally
(what ever that means). Am I wrong? Please educate me.



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Re: [SLUG] (no subject)

2001-09-16 Thread Minh Van Le

> > > The advantage doing a differential, rather than incremental, is that a file
> > > modified on Monday is also backed up on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
> > > With an INCREMENTAL, the Monday file will only be on the Monday tape, as
> > > the archive bit is reset after backup.
> >
> >Thus requiring only 2 tapes for a full restore at any time.
>
> Yes, correct... And also correct about tar, which is a pain
>
> Although I have a script (from Anthony Rumble) that seems to build a list
> of files and then back them up - you might modify that.

I think you can use the -d option for tar, to create a list of differences since
the last full backup, for the daily backups.

I'm currently using the same backup scheme you are on a home network, except I do
incremental daily backups over NFS and full backups each Friday to DDS-2, keeping
the last Friday backup of every month. Works out to be 22 or 23 tapes per machine
per year. Less if each tape set backs up multiple machines. I only worry about
stuff on the lappy and webserver :)



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[SLUG] (no subject)

2001-09-16 Thread Jon Biddell

t 18:56 16/09/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Jon Biddell wrote:
>
> > Monthly backups are archived permenantly, weekly tapes re-cycle every 4 
> weeks.
> >
> > The advantage doing a differential, rather than incremental, is that a file
> > modified on Monday is also backed up on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
> > With an INCREMENTAL, the Monday file will only be on the Monday tape, as
> > the archive bit is reset after backup.
>
>Thus requiring only 2 tapes for a full restore at any time.

Yes, correct... And also correct about tar, which is a pain

Although I have a script (from Anthony Rumble) that seems to build a list 
of files and then back them up - you might modify that.


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[SLUG] eth0 kernel message?

2001-09-16 Thread David


before logging in just now, i found this as well as two other similar 
looking nasty message:

Suspect short first fragment.
eth0 PROTO=6 208.159.245.1:0 203.23.36.1:0 L=20 S=0x00 I=7444 F=0x4000
T=116 (#0)


two questions arise:

First, what does it mean?

Second, how would I find out what this or any other such message means
without having to ask the erudite denizens of SLUG?


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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread peterw

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> 
> Peter -> it looks like you've replied to the list from Erik's private mail.
> That's generally regarded as impolite. :)
> 

Yes. My fault. Didn't look properly before replying. Apologies.

Peter

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Re: [SLUG] Backup rotation schemes

2001-09-16 Thread Minh Van Le

Jon Biddell wrote:

> Monthly backups are archived permenantly, weekly tapes re-cycle every 4 weeks.
>
> The advantage doing a differential, rather than incremental, is that a file
> modified on Monday is also backed up on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
> With an INCREMENTAL, the Monday file will only be on the Monday tape, as
> the archive bit is reset after backup.

Thus requiring only 2 tapes for a full restore at any time.

All this requires the backup program to change and track the file attributes
right ? which tar & dump don't do.



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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:16:09 +1000
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> 
> Peter -> it looks like you've replied to the list from Erik's private mail.
> That's generally regarded as impolite. :)

Not when I meant to send it to the list its not :-).
> 
> > So this x-fnord  thingie is designed to cause mischief, a
> > bit like a virus really.

I searched for this on google and couldn't find any hint that it may
actully have the intended (mischivious) intent.

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RE: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread Doug Stalker


> >
> > > So, what is the x-Fnord mail header for ?? and why do people embed the
> > > modem escape and hangup cmd sequence in it ??

> > On sufficiently broken mail clients, the client wil actually send the
> > modem escape sequence tothe modem.
> >
>
> I suspect that the mail client doesn't have to be "broken" as the modem
> will see the escape sequence before any running program(the mail client)
> gets it. So if you are using a modem out of the box and your connection
> software doesn't reprogram it before it dials up, there is a good chance
> that the modem will hang up regardless of what mail client you are
> using.

This used to work many years ago in the days of dialup BBSes.  I suspect
that it won't do anything at all now, as the modem will only accept the
escape sequence from the local side to avoid a potential DOS attack.


> So this x-fnord  thingie is designed to cause mischief,
> a bit like a virus really.

To find out all about fnords, read the Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Shea
and Robert Anton Wilson.


 - Doug




Remember: If you cant see the fnords, they can't eat you.



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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread Jeff Waugh



> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:

Peter -> it looks like you've replied to the list from Erik's private mail.
That's generally regarded as impolite. :)

> So this x-fnord  thingie is designed to cause mischief, a
> bit like a virus really.

Why understanding and following standards is important:

  http://www.rodos.net/outlook/

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Re: [SLUG] x-Fnord

2001-09-16 Thread peterw

Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:03:53 +1000
> peterw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > So, what is the x-Fnord mail header for ?? and why do people embed the
> > modem escape and hangup cmd sequence in it ??
> 
> To screw up people who have broken mail clients like Outlook.
> 
> On sufficiently broken mail clients, the client wil actually send the
> modem escape sequence tothe modem.
> 

I suspect that the mail client doesn't have to be "broken" as the modem
will see the escape sequence before any running program(the mail client)
gets it. So if you are using a modem out of the box and your connection
software doesn't reprogram it before it dials up, there is a good chance
that the modem will hang up regardless of what mail client you are
using. 

So this x-fnord  thingie is designed to cause mischief,
a bit like a virus really.

Peter

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Re: [SLUG] Bandwith problems or server load

2001-09-16 Thread Steven Blunt


> It was interesting to note that only recently CNN canceled its
subscription
> to Akamai's services which are designed to help major websites handle the
> load of providing full graphical and audio-visual content.

Strangely, Google seems to have rolled back their cache to sometime in
July/August for many websites (it was previously updating the cache for
many sites daily).


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Re: [SLUG] Bandwith problems or server load

2001-09-16 Thread Martin

$author = "Andrew Bennetts" ;
> 
> It was interesting to note the page they reverted to using -- it was
> simple HTML, with only two graphics (a CNN logo and a photo of the
> burning WTC).  This suggests that bandwidth and/or the number of
> connections made to their servers to serve images was part of the
> problem. I didn't check at the time if they disabled their
> session-tracking cookies, though I suspect they did.

It was interesting to note that only recently CNN canceled its subscription
to Akamai's services which are designed to help major websites handle the
load of providing full graphical and audio-visual content.

By tuesday afternoon CNN had signed back up again and Akamai was working to
make all the content available.

Akamai works to by transparently retrieving images and other high bandwidth
material from mirrors strategically placed on major ISP networks around the
world (the only one I know of in Aus is on iiNet, but i am sure some if not
all of the major ISPs [eg Bigpond, Optus, Connect, AARNET] have a mirror farm 
as well)

Tragically, one of the founders of Akamai died in one of the planes that hit
the WTC...

marty

"i'm not here. this isn't happening."
how to disappear completely. radiohead.

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Re: [SLUG] Linux Distro for iBook?

2001-09-16 Thread Rick Moen

begin Luke Cole quotation:
> Any recommendations on a suitable Linux distro for the new Apple iBook?

What model of iBook?  You are perhaps aware that there have been
several.  You might mean the iBook2, but might not.

Here are your (possible) options, and links to whatever information
seems best for each, in the way of hardware-support information:

  LinuxPPC:  
http://linuxppc.org/hardware/apple/
  Yellow Dog:
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/hardware/breakdown/ibook.shtml
  Debian:
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install
  RockLinux:
http://www1.rocklinux.org/projects/powerpc/powerpc.html
  Linux from Scratch (no hardware compatibility guide known to me):
http://www.linuxfromscratch.com/
  Linux-Mandrake 8.0:
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hardware.php3
  SuSE:
http://www.suse.de/en/produkte/susesoft/ppc/systemvor.html
  MkLinux "R1" candidates (no hardware compatibility guide):
http://ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP/
  TurboLinux (no hardware compatibility guide):
ftp://ftp.turbolinux.com/pub/product/ppc/turbolinux-ppc/

(NetBSD and OpenBSD might also serve.)


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