[SLUG] ComputerBank NSW Correspondence

[Craig Warner]

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm no longer able to correspond 
on matters certaining ComputerBank NSW during the hours 8.50am till 
5.00pm Monday to Friday.

Volunteering always to help the greater community

Craig Warner
ComputerBank NSW Inc coordinator
Member Sydney Cycling Club
Tax payer


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[SLUG] Students caught in licence net

[Craig Warner]

 From the Australian

Students caught in licence net


http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3363668%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html


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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Mike Holland]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Fox, Michael wrote:

> I just checked my settings of my mailer and it has been told explictly to
> send in plain text... has it not been doing so? or was your commnets in
> reference to someone else whom replied to my posting?

No, you are not sending HTML, but you are sending the ENTIRE message being
replied to, including headers, as an attachemnt. Please stop it.
Cant you at least use a web mailer?




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Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Damien Elmes]

Michael Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Matthew Dalton wrote:
> > Just having a look at the current mailx debs...
> > Stable has version 1:8.1.1-11
> > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), smail |
> > mail-transport-agent
> > 
> > Unstable & Testing have version 1:8.1.2-0.20010922cvs-1
> > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0),
> > mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0)
> > 
> > These dependencies look reasonable to me. If you don't have one of these
> > two versions, maybe you could try upgrading mailx before attempting to
> > remove zmailer?
> 
> Good idea, I will have a look at these tonight on my Alpha and
> compare to the Intel versions. The Alpha may be older.

alpha binaries are probably compiled on a different machine, and some
of these dependencies are automatically generated, IIRC. it's possible
the alpha version was incorrectly tied to zmailer.

.. having to fiddle when the packages are released with oversights
isn't a huge problem though. the benefits outway the costs :) it can
just be confusing to start with.

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RE: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[George Vieira]

what!!!??? Are you kidding, and lose the power of sending viruses without
opening attachements like Outlook does...  ;-))...

Break this thread..

thanks,
George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L


-Original Message-
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Hey,
You can get Pine for windows from Washington Uni.
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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Nick Croft]

Hey,
You can get Pine for windows from Washington Uni.
N



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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail and redirecting mass addresses

[Damien Elmes]

George Vieira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Bloody ^  &#%&$@&$#&%@*
>  
> It's starting again people after searching around Sendmail and finally
> emailing the list, I find it a click later. ddmnn
>  
>  
> This is (I think) handled by virtusertable. I think below is what I need...
> Can anybody confirm this works or does what I need???
>  
> @yourdomain.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

that'll redirect mail based on the SMTP envelope, which afaik, should
be fine. it also avoids the various problems associated with reading
the To/CC header - such as multiple receipients, BCCs, etc.

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[SLUG] M$ users on slug

[Rich]

Hi All @ slug,
 After reading
>I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using 
>broken mailers like Outlook.

I found this stand alone editor/email client(a few weeks ago) which could 
solve some of the M$ users problems with outlook. It also encrypts if the 
receiver has the program as well
It will send in plain or styled text and is an excellent notepad replacment.
You can download it free at
http://ps.yaroslavl.ru/

Sorry to all the dedicated Linux/UNIX uses who don't want to see M$ on 
their mailing list but seemed appropriate

Hope it solves your Problems guys (Outlook users)
Rich


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Re: [SLUG] ttf in The Gimp

[Kevin Waterson]

Wim Pranata wrote:

> uses xfs by default, you need to add the path on the xfs config file, which is
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config (search for catalogue).

I notice in the config file, that this path is there
usr/share/fonts/ja/TrueType/
and in it several ttf files. Yet I do not see these fonts available for GIMP?

Kevin


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RE: [SLUG] Computer Parts

[Central Park]

>Matt,
>
>There IS a HUGE difference between a no-name "eagle" "powerview" and a name 
>brand card eg ASUS card.
>
>I went thru 3 TNT/Geforce until  learn't my lesson any pruchased a 32 MB 
>Asus 7100 deluxe(mx400) for $225.00 when at the time a 64 MB noname mx 400 
>was $150.00
>
>The image quality of the ASUS is good (NOT perfect) at high res/refesh 1400 
>x 1080 @ 85 HZ the no name was blurry mess, while the ASUS is much better. 
>This problem with TNT/Geforce is quite well documented on the net. The 
>problem being with dodgy filters used on VGA output of the cheaper cards.

Very handy to know :P


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[SLUG] XMMS

[> Dean Hamstead]

has anyone built xmms 1.2.5 on kernel 2.4.16?
having just done so, i am now being presented with
unsolvable segfaults.

which is most od (and annoying) seeing 1.2.4 was
workig just fine, however built on a prior kernel
version (2.4.4.. something like that)

alsa broke horribly on 2.4.16, so i venture to
think similarly for xmms.

anyone?

ive tried removing plugins etc, to no avail =(

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RE: RE: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I use a single disk FREESCO distro, gives me NATed inet + dialin on upto 2 modems, Net 
connection is probably not need but it's really good for dialin on a disk.

With a 16 MB compact flash plus a compact flash to ide adpator, you could put together 
a "black box" pentium for under $100.00

Regards

Mehmet ozdemir

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From: Ciaran Finnegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:05:18 +1100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux (or other)  Dial-up Router


Sorry, should have said - we want to dial into the box, no outward
dialing capabilities needed, but it would be nice to have the option.

-Original Message-
From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:41 PM
To: Ciaran Finnegan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

Are you going to be dialling in or are they going to be dialling out, or
both.  Anyway you look at it, I would have to say that a Linux box
_WITH_WELL_DESIGNED_FIREWALLING_ has to be the way to go.  At least you
know what it is doing; with many "black boxes" you don't have a clue
what
does, or does not go on.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Ciaran Finnegan wrote:

> I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put on customer networks for
> support purposes.
>
> I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low spec. PC or some sort
of
> ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.
>
> 1/ Black Box, is liable to be more reliable than a PC.
> 2/ Network Managers seem to get less excited when you put a
> hardware device on their networks than they do if you suggest using an
> old 486.
> 3/ Low Spec. PC would be cheaper and probably more versatile.
>
> Has anyone come across anything like this, I’m particularly interested
> in linux distro’s that would be suitable for running on low spec.
PC’s.
>
> Oh, and it has to be cheap as well.
>
> Thanks.
>

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RE: [SLUG] Computer Parts

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Matt,

There IS a HUGE difference between a no-name "eagle" "powerview" and a name brand card 
eg ASUS card.

I went thru 3 TNT/Geforce until  learn't my lesson any pruchased a 32 MB Asus 7100 
deluxe(mx400) for $225.00 when at the time a 64 MB noname mx 400 was $150.00

The image quality of the ASUS is good (NOT perfect) at high res/refesh 1400 x 1080 @ 
85 HZ the no name was blurry mess, while the ASUS is much better. This problem with 
TNT/Geforce is quite well documented on the net. The problem being with dodgy filters 
used on VGA output of the cheaper cards.

So if you only interested in 1024 and less get the no-name, if you want run decent res 
+ refresh (1280+ @ 85HZ) get a good card.

If you get a cheap card make sure you can return if your not satisfied as many of the 
traders at north rocks won't refund for this sort of thing.

Regards

Mehmet Ozdemir



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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:56:16 +1100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SLUG] Computer Parts



I'd also like to hear what you guys think of no-name video
cards, for example I am looking at GeForce MX400 cards and
here's what I found so far:

Eagle (64mb)- $132
Hercules (32mb) - $155
Polyview (64mb) - $169
Leadtek (64mb)  - $195

I am wondering whether there are any disadvantages of
purchasing the no-name Eagle or Polyview brand, some
one actually told me that there's a difference in image
quality !

Matt

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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Jon Biddell]

Quoting Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> 
> > In all seriousness how hard is it for the list maintainer to filter
> html.
> 
> Well, it could be done in postfix header checks, but that would suck. It
> could be done as part of standard Mailman filtering, but that would mean
> we'd have to moderate them.
> 
> Answer: Very. It is more trouble than it's worth.

While you're at it, lets do it right - filter ALL Outlook / Outlook Express 
email as well (Eudora is OK tho...:))

Jon



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Re: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Ben Leslie]

On Mon, 03 Dec 2001, Rebecca Richards wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using 
> broken mailers like Outlook.  I'm getting even sicker of those who send 
> emails out with  both a plain text, and HTML version.  If the plain-text 
> message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was.  It also increased the 
> number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML 
> fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the 
> mime-encoding lines...

Whilst I generally agree. I would definately preffered the MIME encoded
version, which follows specs properly and any reasonable email client should
read . I mean any spec compliant mailer should just show you the
version most appropriate. 

(Of course, the bandwidth and others are of a concern and rather pointless
and all. But hell at least it is following the spec and is readable.)

Benno

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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Central Park]

>
>
> > In all seriousness how hard is it for the list maintainer to filter 
>html.
>
>Well, it could be done in postfix header checks, but that would suck. It
>could be done as part of standard Mailman filtering, but that would mean
>we'd have to moderate them.
>
>Answer: Very. It is more trouble than it's worth.

NO idea who the complaint was directed at, I thought it was me directly but 
I checked my original post as it was sent back to me from the list and it 
said it was in plain text, as indicated by my crummy client which I forced 
to use plain-text. So it must of be someone replying to my paste. Assuming 
it was related to my post in some way.

Still if you makes anyone happy I stopped using my work email addy. Using 
hotmail, until I have my domain hosted again on something where I can 
install webmail gui again.

-
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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Jeff Waugh]

> In all seriousness how hard is it for the list maintainer to filter html.

Well, it could be done in postfix header checks, but that would suck. It
could be done as part of standard Mailman filtering, but that would mean
we'd have to moderate them.

Answer: Very. It is more trouble than it's worth.

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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Jon Biddell]

Quoting "Fox, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Unfornately not all of us are able to change mailers at work. I know I
> can't. I am forced to use this microsoft crap. Even though I do unix
> support for the company..

HA !!  You think THAT'S crap ?  Try using Lotus Notes !!!

RRGGG !!!

That's why I use IMP on my mailserver at home and get to it via the web - less 
agro !!!

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FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Fox, Michael]

I just checked my settings of my mailer and it has been told explictly to
send in plain text... has it not been doing so? or was your commnets in
reference to someone else whom replied to my posting?

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Guys,





I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using 
broken mailers like Outlook.  I'm getting even sicker of those who send 
emails out with  both a plain text, and HTML version.  If the plain-text 
message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was.  It also increased the 
number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML 
fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the 
mime-encoding lines...

What's really gotten my sickness boiling over is that people insist on 
replying to these idiots, and include the entire email verbatim, including 
the HTML portion!   Now I'm seeing messages with huge embedded CSS style 
sheets in them!  *pulls hair out* 

Please, read the email-writing-HOWTO before writing an email to a list like 
SLUG.



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RE: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Fox, Michael]

In all seriousness how hard is it for the list maintainer to filter html. I
know I've done it in the past when doing unix admin for a previous company
and running some mail lists for them. Solved alot of problems. But hey if
its a real issue, then I will unsubscribe and resubscribe from my personal
domain and redirect it somewhere else..

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mf

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To: Fox, Michael
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> Subject: Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Fox, Michael wrote:
> 
> > Unfornately not all of us are able to change mailers at 
> work. I know I
> > can't. I am forced to use this microsoft crap. Even though 
> I do unix support
> > for the company..
> 
> But surely you could set it up to be a little less braindead, 
> and to wield
> it in a clueful manner, and GIVE UP ON THE FSCKING TOFU!
> 
> 
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Re: FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Matthew Palmer]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Fox, Michael wrote:

> Unfornately not all of us are able to change mailers at work. I know I
> can't. I am forced to use this microsoft crap. Even though I do unix support
> for the company..

But surely you could set it up to be a little less braindead, and to wield
it in a clueful manner, and GIVE UP ON THE FSCKING TOFU!


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FW: [SLUG] One Request, please!

[Fox, Michael]

Unfornately not all of us are able to change mailers at work. I know I
can't. I am forced to use this microsoft crap. Even though I do unix support
for the company..

-
Michael

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Guys,





I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using 
broken mailers like Outlook.  I'm getting even sicker of those who send 
emails out with  both a plain text, and HTML version.  If the plain-text 
message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was.  It also increased the 
number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML 
fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the 
mime-encoding lines...

What's really gotten my sickness boiling over is that people insist on 
replying to these idiots, and include the entire email verbatim, including 
the HTML portion!   Now I'm seeing messages with huge embedded CSS style 
sheets in them!  *pulls hair out* 

Please, read the email-writing-HOWTO before writing an email to a list like 
SLUG.



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[SLUG] One Request, please!

[Rebecca Richards]

Guys,





I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using 
broken mailers like Outlook.  I'm getting even sicker of those who send 
emails out with  both a plain text, and HTML version.  If the plain-text 
message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was.  It also increased the 
number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML 
fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the 
mime-encoding lines...

What's really gotten my sickness boiling over is that people insist on 
replying to these idiots, and include the entire email verbatim, including 
the HTML portion!   Now I'm seeing messages with huge embedded CSS style 
sheets in them!  *pulls hair out* 

Please, read the email-writing-HOWTO before writing an email to a list like 
SLUG.



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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail and redirecting mass addresses

[Tony Green]

* This one time, at band camp, George Vieira said:
> Bloody ^  &#%&$@&$#&%@*
>  
> It's starting again people after searching around Sendmail and finally
> emailing the list, I find it a click later. ddmnn
>  
>  
> This is (I think) handled by virtusertable. I think below is what I need...
> Can anybody confirm this works or does what I need???
>  
> @yourdomain.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Yep - that'll do it.  Any problem drop me a note offlist.

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Re: [SLUG] Computer Parts

[Jon Biddell]

Quoting Matt - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
> I'd also like to hear what you guys think of no-name video
> cards, for example I am looking at GeForce MX400 cards and
> here's what I found so far:
> 
> Eagle (64mb)- $132
> Hercules (32mb) - $155
> Polyview (64mb) - $169
> Leadtek (64mb)  - $195

I haven't used them ersonally, but I hear good things about the Leadtek 
products (image quality, speed, etc).

As for cheap hardware, you could try CX Computers in the City, or TI Computers 
at North Sydney.

If you do go to North Rocks Markets, check out the guys at the top of the main 
arcade, opposite Lennards Chicken (!!) - They have given me some good deals in 
the past.

Jon

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RE: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[Ciaran Finnegan]

Sorry, should have said - we want to dial into the box, no outward
dialing capabilities needed, but it would be nice to have the option.

-Original Message-
From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:41 PM
To: Ciaran Finnegan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

Are you going to be dialling in or are they going to be dialling out, or
both.  Anyway you look at it, I would have to say that a Linux box
_WITH_WELL_DESIGNED_FIREWALLING_ has to be the way to go.  At least you
know what it is doing; with many "black boxes" you don't have a clue
what
does, or does not go on.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Ciaran Finnegan wrote:

> I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put on customer networks for
> support purposes.
>
> I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low spec. PC or some sort
of
> ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.
>
> 1/ Black Box, is liable to be more reliable than a PC.
> 2/ Network Managers seem to get less excited when you put a
> hardware device on their networks than they do if you suggest using an
> old 486.
> 3/ Low Spec. PC would be cheaper and probably more versatile.
>
> Has anyone come across anything like this, I’m particularly interested
> in linux distro’s that would be suitable for running on low spec.
PC’s.
>
> Oh, and it has to be cheap as well.
>
> Thanks.
>

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[SLUG] Computer Parts

[Matt -]

Hi Group !

I am looking to upgrade my computer to an AMD system and
would be interested in hearing what you guys have to say
about places to pick up cheap hardware, especially near
the city although i'm definately going to check out prices
at North Rocks Computer Markets this Sunday.

I'd also like to hear what you guys think of no-name video
cards, for example I am looking at GeForce MX400 cards and
here's what I found so far:

Eagle (64mb)- $132
Hercules (32mb) - $155
Polyview (64mb) - $169
Leadtek (64mb)  - $195

I am wondering whether there are any disadvantages of
purchasing the no-name Eagle or Polyview brand, some
one actually told me that there's a difference in image
quality !

Matt

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RE: [SLUG] samba file server sharing

[George Vieira]

Damn 
sorry, went to send an example and ended up sending when I wasn't 
finished...
 
only 
the "write list" users are valid and when written are written as ftp 
user
 
 
  
valid users = georgev johnf david steve barry
  
write list = georgev johnf
  
path = /home/ftp  force user = ftp  force group 
= ftp
  
create mask = 0644
 
 
 
thanks, George 
Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L 

  -Original Message-From: Xiaolu Zhang 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 
  1:20 PMTo: 'Slug'Subject: [SLUG] samba file server 
  sharing
  
  I setup a redhat unix box with samba 2.2.2 
  ,  I share one of the folder call 
  "public",  allow every one has the 
  full access right to it. The problem is: whenever someone pub a file to it, 
  the default setting is only writable to that user. How can I get away from 
  this, I want a folder which every one has full access to every 
  file.
   
  Also, I need to create an account 
  for every single user both in samba and unix, ( security = user ) . Is the any other easy way to do it ?
   
  Thanks
   
  Xiaolu
   

RE: [SLUG] samba file server sharing

[George Vieira]

You 
need to use:
 
force 
user
force 
group
 
 
settings.
 
thanks, George 
Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L 

  -Original Message-From: Xiaolu Zhang 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 
  1:20 PMTo: 'Slug'Subject: [SLUG] samba file server 
  sharing
  
  I setup a redhat unix box with samba 2.2.2 
  ,  I share one of the folder call 
  "public",  allow every one has the 
  full access right to it. The problem is: whenever someone pub a file to it, 
  the default setting is only writable to that user. How can I get away from 
  this, I want a folder which every one has full access to every 
  file.
   
  Also, I need to create an account 
  for every single user both in samba and unix, ( security = user ) . Is the any other easy way to do it ?
   
  Thanks
   
  Xiaolu
   

[SLUG] samba file server sharing

[Xiaolu Zhang]

I setup a redhat unix box with samba 2.2.2 ,  I share one of the folder call "public",  allow every one has the full access
right to it. The problem is: whenever someone pub a file to it, the default
setting is only writable to that user. How can I get away from this, I want a
folder which every one has full access to every file.

 

Also, I need to create an account for every single user both
in samba and unix, ( security
= user ) . Is the any other easy way to do it ?

 

Thanks

 

Xiaolu

 

Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Michael Lake]

Matthew Dalton wrote:
> Just having a look at the current mailx debs...
> Stable has version 1:8.1.1-11
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), smail |
> mail-transport-agent
> 
> Unstable & Testing have version 1:8.1.2-0.20010922cvs-1
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0),
> mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0)
> 
> These dependencies look reasonable to me. If you don't have one of these
> two versions, maybe you could try upgrading mailx before attempting to
> remove zmailer?

Good idea, I will have a look at these tonight on my Alpha and compare to the Intel 
versions. The Alpha may be older.

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Re: [SLUG] ttf in The Gimp

[Wim Pranata]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2001, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> Damien Elmes wrote:
> 
> >
> > you need to tell X about the extra font path. i think this is all
> > explained in the "x prettification howto" - or something like that :)
> > on linuxdoc.org.
> >
> 
> ok, found a doc at
> http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.4
> 
> I already have xfs installed an running, so I did as the doc suggested
> and
>  xset fp+ unix/:7100
> 
> and it replied
> 
> X Error of failed request:  86
>   Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)
>   Serial number of failed request:  9
>   Current serial number in output stream:
> 
> Whats all this about then?

As Damien suggested before, you need to tell X the new path. Because Red Hat
uses xfs by default, you need to add the path on the xfs config file, which is
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config (search for catalogue).


wim


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RE: [SLUG] Sendmail and redirecting mass addresses

[George Vieira]

Bloody 
^&#%&$@&$#&%@*
 
It's 
starting again people after searching around Sendmail and finally emailing 
the list, I find it a click later. ddmnn
 
 
This 
is (I think) handled by virtusertable. I think below is what I need... Can 
anybody confirm this works or does what I need???
 
@yourdomain.com		[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
thanks, George 
Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L 

  -Original Message-From: George Vieira 
  Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 1:12 PMTo: Sydney Linux 
  Users Group (E-mail)Subject: [SLUG] Sendmail and redirecting mass 
  addresses
  Hi 
  all,
   
  My boss came to me 
  asking if the following was possible:
   
  1. Host a large 
  number of domain www sites and smtp mail.  (yep no probs with linux 
  ;-))
  2. Have the sites 
  mail only redirect to another domain... (hmm)...
   
  2) I asked about 
  the redirecting of mail in more form and what he wants is to redirect *@domain.com back out to the *@otherdomain.com
   
  so no matter what 
  the user name is, it is redirected to another domain.. I don't know if aliases 
  can handle this or if sendmail must do it etc... alias file would look like 
  this IF it worked...
   
  *@domain.com:    *@otherdomain.com
   
  if that makes 
  sense, hopefully you get my idea... Is there any way possible to do such a 
  thing??
  thanks, George 
  Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L 
   

Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[Anthony Wood]

Ciaran,

You can acheive all three aims using a few marketing tricks:

1. On old PC in a new black box is indistinguishable from a black box.
2. A new black box _IS_ custom hardware
therefore:
3. Your low spec PC in a black box _Is_ a black box, more specifically,
it's "Custom hardware based on PC technology".
4. Everyone is happy.

Woody

> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:40:47 +1100 (EST)
> From: Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Ciaran Finnegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other)  Dial-up Router
> 
> Are you going to be dialling in or are they going to be dialling out, or
> both.  Anyway you look at it, I would have to say that a Linux box
> _WITH_WELL_DESIGNED_FIREWALLING_ has to be the way to go.  At least you
> know what it is doing; with many "black boxes" you don't have a clue what
> does, or does not go on.
> 
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Ciaran Finnegan wrote:
> 
> > I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put on customer networks for
> > support purposes.
> >
> > I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low spec. PC or some sort of
> > ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.
> >
> > 1/ Black Box, is liable to be more reliable than a PC.
> > 2/ Network Managers seem to get less excited when you put a
> > hardware device on their networks than they do if you suggest using an
> > old 486.
> > 3/ Low Spec. PC would be cheaper and probably more versatile.
> >
> > Has anyone come across anything like this, I’m particularly interested
> > in linux distro’s that would be suitable for running on low spec. PC’s.
> >
> > Oh, and it has to be cheap as well.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> 
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[SLUG] Sendmail and redirecting mass addresses

[George Vieira]

Hi 
all,
 
My boss came to me 
asking if the following was possible:
 
1. Host a large 
number of domain www sites and smtp mail.  (yep no probs with linux 
;-))
2. Have the sites 
mail only redirect to another domain... (hmm)...
 
2) I asked about the 
redirecting of mail in more form and what he wants is to redirect *@domain.com back out to the *@otherdomain.com
 
so no matter what 
the user name is, it is redirected to another domain.. I don't know if aliases 
can handle this or if sendmail must do it etc... alias file would look like 
this IF it worked...
 
*@domain.com:    *@otherdomain.com
 
if that makes sense, 
hopefully you get my idea... Is there any way possible to do such a 
thing??
thanks, George 
Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L 
 

Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[Jon Biddell]

Quoting Ciaran Finnegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put on customer networks for
> support purposes.
>  
> I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low spec. PC or some sort of
> ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.
>  
> 1/ Black Box, is liable to be more reliable than a PC.

Then definately go the "black box" route...

I'd suggest you contact Bob Spence (Computrol - 9489 7691) and ask him about 
the Netgear range of goodies - reasonably priced and reliable as hell

> 2/ Network Managers seem to get less excited when you put a
> hardware device on their networks than they do if you suggest using an
> old 486.

We are a sensitive lot sometimes...:-)




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[SLUG] OT: FOR SALE in SYDNEY Dell OptiPlex GX1

[Fox, Michael]

Hi,

Hope its ok if I post a one off advert as others have done in the past.
(confirmed by archives)

Information you need to know;

DELL OPTIPLEX GX1 

Details: 
. Intel Pentium(tm) II 350MHz processor 
. 512MB RAM 
. 4.3GB HDD 
. 24X CDROM 
. 1.44MB FDD 
. Motorola 56K modem 
. Integrated ATI 3D RAGE PRO AGP 
. Integrated Sound card 
. Integrated 3COM (3c905B-TX) 10/100 Network card 
. Small Form Factor 
. Currently running Windows98SE for purpose of buyer to test etc. 
. 2 x USB ports 
. 1 x PS2 keyboard port 
. 1 x PS2 mouse port 
. 1 x LPT port 
. 2 x COM ports 
. Plus the usual audio jacks etc..

Unit is neat tidy and in excellent condition. Selling due to the fact I have
a new PC coming in the new year. Would like to see this unit go to a good
home. Ultra reliable.

. It doesn't include monitor, mouse or keyboard.

I thought about using it as another Linux box, but would sooner have some
extra spending money for my new PC coming in the new year.

Asking $450 ono. Yes I am open to offers, so please don't be afraid to ask a
question or make an offer. Return email to this post, plus cc a copy to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can see it when I am at home.

For all the above information and a nice little front on picture take a look
at the url below
http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ionet/gx1/

Thanks in advance,
Michael Fox

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Re: [SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[Howard Lowndes]

Are you going to be dialling in or are they going to be dialling out, or
both.  Anyway you look at it, I would have to say that a Linux box
_WITH_WELL_DESIGNED_FIREWALLING_ has to be the way to go.  At least you
know what it is doing; with many "black boxes" you don't have a clue what
does, or does not go on.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Ciaran Finnegan wrote:

> I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put on customer networks for
> support purposes.
>
> I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low spec. PC or some sort of
> ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.
>
> 1/ Black Box, is liable to be more reliable than a PC.
> 2/ Network Managers seem to get less excited when you put a
> hardware device on their networks than they do if you suggest using an
> old 486.
> 3/ Low Spec. PC would be cheaper and probably more versatile.
>
> Has anyone come across anything like this, I’m particularly interested
> in linux distro’s that would be suitable for running on low spec. PC’s.
>
> Oh, and it has to be cheap as well.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [SLUG] Calling Jeff - urgently

[Jeff Waugh]

> Would you please call Craig Warner on 8243 7543

Calling now, thanks.

- Jeff

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[SLUG] Linux (or other) Dial-up Router

[Ciaran Finnegan]

I’m looking for a ‘dial-up router’ to put
on customer networks for support purposes.

 

I’m in two minds as to whether I’d prefer a low
spec. PC or some sort of ‘black box’ for a number of reasons.

 

1/ Black Box, is
liable to be more reliable than a PC.

2/ Network
Managers seem to get less excited when you put a hardware device on their
networks than they do if you suggest using an old 486.

3/ Low Spec. PC
would be cheaper and probably more versatile.

 

Has anyone come across anything like this, I’m
particularly interested in linux distro’s
that would be suitable for running on low spec. PC’s.

 

Oh, and it has to be cheap as well.

 

Thanks.

Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Matthew Dalton]

Mike Lake wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:13:26PM +1100, getadog wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:06:24PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl && apt-get install postfix (or
> > > exim, or whatever).
> >
> > apt-get install zmailer-ssl- postfix (or exim, or whatever)
> 
> But as I mentioned the system already has exim as its MTA. zmailer provides
> the same thing, an MTA. I would have thought that when I installed logrotate
> it would need a mailer (OK) and it wanted mailx and that needed an MTA.
> The packaging system should have realised it had exim on and so not
> insisted on installing zmailer.
> 
> What I can't follow is that on this Debian system here at work (Pentium) and
> on my Intel 486 at home zmailer is not required but on the Alpha Debian, as
> you can see from the apt-get lines mailx depends on zmailer. Same Debian
> release.

Just having a look at the current mailx debs...

Stable has version 1:8.1.1-11
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), smail |
mail-transport-agent

Unstable & Testing have version 1:8.1.2-0.20010922cvs-1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0),
mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0)


These dependencies look reasonable to me. If you don't have one of these
two versions, maybe you could try upgrading mailx before attempting to
remove zmailer?


Matthew

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[SLUG] Calling Jeff - urgently

[Richard Hayes]

Dear Jeff,

Would you please call Craig Warner on 8243 7543

regard,

Richard Hayes
Computerbank NSW
 

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Re: [SLUG] X irritations

[Mike Holland]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Jason Rennie wrote:

> When X switches to a lower res, it then provides a virtual desktop the
> same size as the higher res desktop. Is there anyway to turn this off, so
> that the whole x desktop is fixed to the size of the screen ? A number of

I think the question you want is "Can X change the desktop size during a
session?" and the answer is no. But there is bound to be another fix.
  Modern X servers can change the display mode, because that can be done
without affecting apps.

> windows games end up running under wine, but keep scrolling off into the
> window manager.

Would it help if you could disable scrolling of the virtual desktop?

Otherwise, your solution is to start a second X-server "X :1 &" on
another virtual terminal. Thats also good for old games that want
8-bit mode graphics.


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Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Mike Lake]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:13:26PM +1100, getadog wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:06:24PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl && apt-get install postfix (or
> > exim, or whatever).
> 
> apt-get install zmailer-ssl- postfix (or exim, or whatever)

But as I mentioned the system already has exim as its MTA. zmailer provides
the same thing, an MTA. I would have thought that when I installed logrotate
it would need a mailer (OK) and it wanted mailx and that needed an MTA.
The packaging system should have realised it had exim on and so not
insisted on installing zmailer. 

What I can't follow is that on this Debian system here at work (Pentium) and
on my Intel 486 at home zmailer is not required but on the Alpha Debian, as
you can see from the apt-get lines mailx depends on zmailer. Same Debian
release. 

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[SLUG] DHCPD hostnames

[Howard Lowndes]

It seems to be a morning for questions.

I have dhcpd running on a machine on my network with "get-lease-hostnames
on".

Some machines that use this dhcpd pick up their assigned lease hostname
which says that this function is working, as reported by /bin/hostname.

Others don't, staying with the default localhost.localdomain even though
there is a valid hostname in the DNS.

What determines whether the default hostname gets overridden by the
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Re: [SLUG] X irritations

[Damien Elmes]

Jason Rennie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> I was playinh with wine last night and i've run into something that is a
> bit of a show stopper.
> 
> When X switches to a lower res, it then provides a virtual desktop the
> same size as the higher res desktop. Is there anyway to turn this off, so
> that the whole x desktop is fixed to the size of the screen ? A number of
> windows games end up running under wine, but keep scrolling off into the
> window manager.

i don't know, i'm afraid.

however, you can limit the virtual res to the maximum resolution
you've listed. it wouldn't be too hard to set up a clone of your X
config with a lower res listed, and then do something like start -- :1
to start a new screen while leaving the existing one working (can't
remember the option to specify an alternate config file off the top of
my head).

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[SLUG] X irritations

[Jason Rennie]

Hi all,

I was playinh with wine last night and i've run into something that is a
bit of a show stopper.

When X switches to a lower res, it then provides a virtual desktop the
same size as the higher res desktop. Is there anyway to turn this off, so
that the whole x desktop is fixed to the size of the screen ? A number of
windows games end up running under wine, but keep scrolling off into the
window manager.

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[SLUG] Re: KDE reports home

[Howard Lowndes]

Nothing.  The machine had been booted and used auto-login, but after that
it wasn't used, and I have not been to kde.org or tucows.com in months.

It looks like this is something to do with the artsd daemon which is a
default startup by kdeinit.

At this stage I am trying to find out how to curtail kdeinit's activities.

This seems very reminicent of the activities of some other OS.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Brad Hards wrote:

> Howard Lowndes wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that
> > appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36
> > port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80.
> What were you doing at the time? Opening up konquerer and then checking out
> Linux Weekly News?
>
> Brad
>

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[SLUG] Re: KDE reports home

[Brad Hards]

Howard Lowndes wrote:
> 
> Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that
> appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36
> port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80.
What were you doing at the time? Opening up konquerer and then checking out
Linux Weekly News?

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Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home

[Damien Elmes]

Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So am I.  It's even harder trying to find out how kdeinit works.  I'm
> still trying to work out where it's .rc file is to see just what is going
> on.  It could be just the prompt I need to dump it - and not for Gnome
> either - I might go back to Windowmaker or even FVWM.
> 
> Window manager flame war, anyone?

sawfish ;) i don't know if i could go back to a non-scriptable window
manager. say licq disappears of the screen due to some bug in its
handling of the mouse. i can whip up a shell and do:

reflex$ sawfish-client
sawfish 1.0.1, Copyright (C) 1999-2000 John Harper
sawfish comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details see the file COPYING

Enter `,help' to list commands.
user> (move-window-to (get-window-by-name-re "icq") 0 0)
user> 

and bingo! it's back on the screen. 

aaanyway.

well remember esd? arts, afaik, is basically that for the KDE world.
and if various apps start depending on it, that might mean getting rid
of it is not an option.

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Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home

[Howard Lowndes]

So am I.  It's even harder trying to find out how kdeinit works.  I'm
still trying to work out where it's .rc file is to see just what is going
on.  It could be just the prompt I need to dump it - and not for Gnome
either - I might go back to Windowmaker or even FVWM.

Window manager flame war, anyone?

On 3 Dec 2001, Damien Elmes wrote:

> Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that
> > appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36
> > port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80.
> >
> > What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page.
>
> someone's already followed up, so i won't reiterate on that. i'm
> always suspicious of stuff that's calling home, though - i wonder why
> they do that. (i'm sure it's not malicious, but still).
>
>

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[SLUG] Pollies watching blurred movement on screen

[Jeff Waugh]

> > > But do you *really* think that politicians and/or their office staff
> > > can be taught to use something like KDE / Gnome / CDE / whatever ?
> >
> > Yes.
> 
> Dream on - they have problems coping with reality anyway !!!

If they're as stupid as you want me to think they are, how can you be sure
that they'd notice?

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Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home

[Damien Elmes]

Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that
> appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36
> port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80.
> 
> What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page.

someone's already followed up, so i won't reiterate on that. i'm
always suspicious of stuff that's calling home, though - i wonder why
they do that. (i'm sure it's not malicious, but still).

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Jon Biddell]

At 00:36 3/12/01 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > But do you *really* think that politicians and/or their office staff 
> can be
> > taught to use something like KDE / Gnome / CDE / whatever ?
>
>Yes.



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Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home

[Jeff Waugh]

> What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page.

http://www.arts-project.org/

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[SLUG] KDE reports home

[Howard Lowndes]

Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that
appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36
port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80.

What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page.

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[SLUG] Linux rocks^Wevolves!

[Jeff Waugh]

Good summary of a recent discussion on lkml:

  http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398

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Re: [SLUG] IP Tables Question

[Catie Flick]

On  2 Dec, James Newburrie wrote:
> Hello All,
> I have a bit of a problem and I am not sure how to go about fixing it.  As it 
> goes Telstra Bigpond Advance cable sends a heart beat on port 5050, it is a 
> UDP packet, and the built in iptables under mandrake don't let this through, 
> so my connection drops in a most regular fashion.  I read the documentation 
> but I still don't know how to open port 5050 in the IP Tables.

Hi! I have this line in my iptables init script (don't know where that
is for you on mandrake but it's in /etc/init.d/ for me on debian).

$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i eth1 -p udp --dport 5050 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT

where $IPTABLES is the path to iptables, eth1 is my telstra-cable
connected eth card. Just to tell you what it does, it ACCEPTs the input
from eth1 if it's a udp packet on port 5050 with the state of NEW :) 

You'll also want to put this line in your bpalogin.conf (most probably
in /etc ):

localport 5050

(default behaviour for bpalogin is to select a random unprivelaged port
unless you tell it not to)

> 
> Another interesting thing is that ICMP packets are completely blocked from 
> the outside world.  And no matter how many times I go into linuxconf and tell 
> the machine to allow ping and tracert requests, it resets itself back to 
> ignoring them.  This wrecks havock when I try LANing it (Because samba shares 
> are not visable).

Hmm, make sure the lines to let icmp through are in your iptables script
:) I don't use linuxconf but I when I tried it a while ago it didn't do
what I would tell it to... that may have changed but then again maybe
not.
The ways to let in icmp packets are usually in fairly standard iptables
howtos :)

Hope that helps.

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Jeff Waugh]

> But do you *really* think that politicians and/or their office staff can be 
> taught to use something like KDE / Gnome / CDE / whatever ?

Yes.

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Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[getadog]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:06:24PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> 
> dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl && apt-get install postfix (or
> exim, or whatever).

apt-get install zmailer-ssl- postfix (or exim, or whatever)




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Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Daniel Stone]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 06:19:39PM +1100, Mike Lake wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have just done an apt-get dist-upgrade of an Intel 486 gateway from stable to 
>unstable.
> I have just a few questions...
> 
> Question 1
> --
> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/usr/doc': Directory not empty
> 
> All the doc files in here are symlinks to ../share/doc/
> I am presuming that unstable has decided to have all docs in /usr/share and 
> nothing in /usr/doc and wanted to remove all those symlinks and the directory
> /usr/doc - is that right. In which case I can manually delete them?

May as well keep them around. All that means is that the old package had
stuff in /usr/doc whereas the new one doesn't.

> Question 2
> --
> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/log/ksymoops': Directory not empty
> This currently contails lots of.
> -rw-r--r--1 root root32113 Sep  1 23:06 20010901230651.ksyms
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  222 Sep  1 23:06 20010901230651.modules
> Seems to be lots of temp files about loaded modules. I have deleted them all
> and I will see what ones reappear and when. 

Don't worry about it.

> Question 3
> --
> Some time ago I installed logrotate which needed mailx to be able to mail me 
>messages and this in turn required zmailer. zmailer is a big package for
> high volume mail and should not be needed really. As apt-cache show zmailer says
> "Most users don't need this package -- for most users, sendmail or exim or
>  smail will suffice."
> I have exim installed.
> I tried to delete it:
> 
> loubens:/home/admin# apt-get remove zmailer-ssl
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   logrotate mailx tripwire zmailer-ssl
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 15.5MB will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> Abort.
> 
> The strange thing is that my Debian Alpha has logrotate and mailx but did not need 
>zmailer.
> The 486 Intel does.
> Whats the dependencies for other peoples systems out there?

dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl && apt-get install postfix (or
exim, or whatever).

> Question 4
> --
> 
> I have in my sources.lust :-)
> deb http://security.debian.org unstable/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> I had changed the stable to unstable. I get however...

Don't. unstable doesn't need a security branch, as all updates get
installed in there anyway; just remove that line.

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Re: [SLUG] Iptables question

[Daniel Stone]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 07:02:24AM +, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:14:11AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> >> In iptables, what is the purpose of the OUTPUT chain in the nat table?
> >> Does anyone have an example of where you might use it?
> 
> > Output NAT doesn't work ATM (unless something really radical has
> > changed), and probably won't, because of the enormous kludges needed in
> > the IP stack (Netfilter is very particular about touching the IP stack -
> > it does so very minimally ATM).
> 
> That's funny.  I've used for ages and it hasn't stopped working yet.

Obviously something really radical changed, then.

> It applies to traffic originating from localhost.

Yes. Its hook is in the exact same spot in the code as OUTPUT in the
filter chain, only with a higher priority.

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Re: [SLUG] ttf in The Gimp

[Kevin Waterson]

Damien Elmes wrote:

>
> you need to tell X about the extra font path. i think this is all
> explained in the "x prettification howto" - or something like that :)
> on linuxdoc.org.
>

ok, found a doc at
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.4

I already have xfs installed an running, so I did as the doc suggested
and
 xset fp+ unix/:7100

and it replied

X Error of failed request:  86
  Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)
  Serial number of failed request:  9
  Current serial number in output stream:

Whats all this about then?

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Jon Biddell]

At 21:01 2/12/01 +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
>Jon Biddell wrote:
>
> > Yes, I agree that getting Linux on the desktop is the ultimate goal
>
>This GIS functionality isn't linux on the desktop. The grunt is usually
>done on a "server".

Sorry - buggered up the quoting, and didn't realise it until I hit SEND - 
serves me right for using Windows tonight, I guess (no, the Linux 
workstation is in the process of a rebuild ! - bloody debian !!!)

My comment wasn't related to GIS at all:-)

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Terry Collins]

Jon Biddell wrote:

> Yes, I agree that getting Linux on the desktop is the ultimate goal

This GIS functionality isn't linux on the desktop. The grunt is usually
done on a "server".



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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Damien Elmes]

Jon Biddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 18:46 2/12/01 +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> >Tony Green wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Can someone please give me the long/lat for slug-chat
> >
> >Remember that post on IT balance of trade?
> >When you consider that the average costs per first installation/seat for
> >each government department would be over $250,000, plus $10,000 for each
> >extra office and roughly 20% each year in licence and training fees,
> >there is a very good reason for development of facilities in Linux.
> 
> But do you *really* think that politicians and/or their office staff
> can be taught to use something like KDE / Gnome / CDE / whatever ?
> Most of them have trouble with Windows, for crying out loud.

well, i don't know about that. i custom-roll my desktop, running
sawfish, etc with no panel. everything's done with shortcut keys. the
other day i tried "startx", and it loads up the entire KDE system.
it's very pretty :) i was suprised how "usable" it felt in comparison
to something like windows.

i agree with what you're saying though. open standards are more
important than what operating system each computer is running.

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Vector data on Sydney CBD

[Jon Biddell]

At 18:46 2/12/01 +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
>Tony Green wrote:
>
> >
> > Can someone please give me the long/lat for slug-chat
>
>Remember that post on IT balance of trade?
>When you consider that the average costs per first installation/seat for
>each government department would be over $250,000, plus $10,000 for each
>extra office and roughly 20% each year in licence and training fees,
>there is a very good reason for development of facilities in Linux.

But do you *really* think that politicians and/or their office staff can be 
taught to use something like KDE / Gnome / CDE / whatever ?  Most of them 
have trouble with Windows, for crying out loud.

Rather than push this way, what we should be doing is;

1. Push for Open Standards in all Government Departments (no more "we only 
accept WORD 6 format"). If it HAS to have formatting of this type, then 
possibly RTF is the way to go (don't flame me here - it's the only 
"standard" that I know works on both platforms other than ASCII, and that's 
not suitable).

2. Push for SERVERS to be Linux-based - point out the insignificant TCO of 
having your files stored on a Linux server, whether it appears as a share 
using SAMBA or as a netware server using MARSNWE (??).

3. Push for acceptance of Linux on the desktop as an ALTERNATIVE to Windows 
on a personal level - for example, I will always have/have access to a 
Linux desktop, where my colleagues may choose to use Windows. Make it a 
PERSONAL option. Yes, there's the argument that "the IT department doesn't 
know Linux and will not support you". Fine, if I'm using Linux on my 
DESKTOP, you probably couldn't support me anyway - as long as my documents 
/ spreadsheets / email is compatable with the Windows users.

4. If WINDOWS-based servers are REALLY a necessity, push for Citrix 
Metaframe - you can acess any Windows app via a browser (works fine with 
Konqueror / Netscape / Mozilla), and there are Linux clients FREELY 
AVAILABLE if you don't want to go the browser path (I'm certified in 
Metaframe and I have to say it makes Windows actually USABLE !!).

Yes, I agree that getting Linux on the desktop is the ultimate goal, but 
given the lack of understanding of Windows by the majority of users, and 
even those in IT who pretend to understand it, I just don't think Linux is 
ready for that end of the market yet.

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Re: [SLUG] ttf in The Gimp

[Damien Elmes]

Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How do I get ttf to work in The Gimp in RH 7.2?
> I have done the following so far
> mkdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
> cp /home/kevin/*.ttf  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
> cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
> ttmkfdir > fonts.scale
> mkfontdir
> 
> Then I restarted X but, no cigar..

you need to tell X about the extra font path. i think this is all
explained in the "x prettification howto" - or something like that :)
on linuxdoc.org.

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[SLUG] ttf in The Gimp

[Kevin Waterson]

How do I get ttf to work in The Gimp in RH 7.2?
I have done the following so far
mkdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
cp /home/kevin/*.ttf  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype
ttmkfdir > fonts.scale
mkfontdir

Then I restarted X but, no cigar..

Kind regards
Kevin


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[SLUG] Re: Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade

[Damien Elmes]

Michael Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have just done an apt-get dist-upgrade of an Intel 486 gateway from stable to 
>unstable.
> I have just a few questions...
> 
> Question 1
> --
> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/usr/doc': Directory not empty
> 
> All the doc files in here are symlinks to ../share/doc/
> I am presuming that unstable has decided to have all docs in /usr/share and 
> nothing in /usr/doc and wanted to remove all those symlinks and the directory
> /usr/doc - is that right. In which case I can manually delete them?
> 
> Question 2
> --
> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/log/ksymoops': Directory not empty
> This currently contails lots of.
> -rw-r--r--1 root root32113 Sep  1 23:06 20010901230651.ksyms
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  222 Sep  1 23:06 20010901230651.modules
> Seems to be lots of temp files about loaded modules. I have deleted them all
> and I will see what ones reappear and when. 

i wouldn't worry too much about stuff like that. unstable has a
tendancy to break, which requires moving packages away which the
maintainers forgot about, and situations where two packages both claim
they own one file

(ie, realplay, last i looked, though it owned /usr/bin/X, which was
causing an upgrade of xserver to fail. this is obviously a bug in the
realplayer package. you can fix it by editing
/var/lib/dpkg/info/realplayer.list  in this case)

cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Disk Usage Problem

[Damien Elmes]

Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> 
> > does anyone no why there would be a huge difference. I had to delete some
> > file just to retrieve my mail, so the file system definitely thinks it's
> > full ??
> 
> df -h is going to give you the most accurate result. Nautilus is probably
> getting it wrong because your user can't read every file in that
> filesystem.

that, and most filesystems come with a certain amount of space
reserverd for root. you can change this with tune2fs -m x /dev/drive
where drive is your device and x the percentage of space you want to
reserve for root.

this isn't necessary on a partition for /home, but is useful on /.

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