Re: [SLUG] Case Study Speaker
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 18:06, Bruce Badger wrote: > Does anyone know of an open source system deployment within Australia, > that would be a potential source of a speaker? > > The ideal would be finding someone who was on a project from evaluation > through to deployment who could tell the tale. It would be even better > if it were a happy tale. > > Any ideas? Depends on what 'system' you are looking for a speaker on. I could certainly put toghether a presentation on squid-in-a-commercial-setting. A probably a few different things (ie samba, mail-servers, IDS, mysql, ...) , if I put my mind to it. Could you be a little more specific on what you are trying to achieve with the presentation? (i.e. 'show my peers that it is possible for a business to take a thought out, risk-managing approach to a project, and still end up with an open-source tool/environment/package as part of the projects solution'). Cheers, Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[SLUG] Case Study Speaker
Does anyone know of an open source system deployment within Australia, that would be a potential source of a speaker? The ideal would be finding someone who was on a project from evaluation through to deployment who could tell the tale. It would be even better if it were a happy tale. Any ideas? Please feel free to email me directly with contact information if you wish. Many thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
Ron Daniel wrote:
>
> Does anybody remember the name of the game which people used to play on
> their mainframes at university in the late seventies where you explored
> a labyrinth of caves and tunnels interactively on a teletype machine,
> usually resulting in demise by some foul or painful process often
> involving a creature that you were certain was not around that corner
> the first time you looked ?
It seemed to be called various things, but I think Crystal Caverns was
what you are talking about.
Something like "you are in a maze of twisty passages..."
I remeber it well because as sole OP on the backup shift, I could play
it and go home late, or not play it and go home early {:-).
The other stuff, wumpus, star trek, etc came later.
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Re: [SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:47:19PM +1100, Ron Daniel wrote: > Does anybody remember the name of the game which people used to play on > their mainframes at university in the late seventies where you explored Advent? Also known as "Adventure" or "Colossal Cave". "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike". Source should be available at: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/doc/misc/if-archive/games/source/advent.tar.Z Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F http://kirriwa.net/john/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] EMACS Question
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Erich Schulz wrote: > Does anybody know the command to bring up an auxilliary window, which > you can use to navigate the code you are writing. > > I used this a while ago when I was doing some python and c programming. > The window lists all of the functions in your code and if you click on > the function in the aux window, the cursor jumps to the function > definition in the main editing window. M-x speedbar Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] EMACS Question
Does anybody know the command to bring up an auxilliary window, which you can use to navigate the code you are writing. I used this a while ago when I was doing some python and c programming. The window lists all of the functions in your code and if you click on the function in the aux window, the cursor jumps to the function definition in the main editing window. Cheers Erich -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
rogue? :-) -G -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
nethack? On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:47, Ron Daniel wrote: > Does anybody remember the name of the game which people used to play on > their mainframes at university in the late seventies where you explored > a labyrinth of caves and tunnels interactively on a teletype machine, > usually resulting in demise by some foul or painful process often > involving a creature that you were certain was not around that corner > the first time you looked ? -- Regards, Ian Su SIRCA (Securities Industry Research Centre of Asia-Pacific) Tel: 8374-5078 Email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
Could you mean "Hunt the Wumpus"? David x2707 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Question about text computer game from late seventies/eighties
Does anybody remember the name of the game which people used to play on their mainframes at university in the late seventies where you explored a labyrinth of caves and tunnels interactively on a teletype machine, usually resulting in demise by some foul or painful process often involving a creature that you were certain was not around that corner the first time you looked ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Official Announcement of linux.conf.au RDP Winners!
Hi everyone, Congratulations to New South Wales' winner of the first Sun Microsystems Regional Delegate Programme for linux.conf.au! You will have to read the press release to find out who it is. ;-) We had four very strong candidates, which made our choice particularly difficult. Thanks very much to these great contributors to the Free Software community locally and beyond! John August Ken Foskey Angus Lees Matthew Palmer Thanks, - Jeff --- Linux . conf . au NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Linux.conf.au 2003 announces Sun Microsystems(tm) Regional Delegate Program Recipients. Perth, Western Australia (December 16, 2002) - Linux.Conf.Au is pleased to announce that the Sun Microsystems Regional Delegate Program has come to its conclusion, and the regional Linux User Groups (LUGs) around Australia have chosen their candidates. We'd like to thank each of these User Groups for their efforts in finding our winners, and encouraging people to get involved locally! Each of our winners will receive: * Economy return ticket from their closest major airport to Perth * Accommodation at Currie Hall for the duration of the Conference * Professional Registration pass for Linux.Conf.Au 2003 ... all thanks to Sun Microsystems Australia. And the winners are: ACT: Simon Burton New South Wales: Angus Lees Northern Territory: Gerard Reid Queensland: Eric Faccer South Australia: Ian Loxton Tasmania: Lauchlin Wilkinson Victoria: Grant Diffey Western Australia: Harry McNally Linux.Conf.Au represents the focus of the Australian Linux and Open Source development community; each of these people now have the opportunity to join in. However, Linux.Conf.Au is open to anyone; registrations are still open on the conference web site at http://www.linux.conf.au/ To everyone who entered, thank you for your participation. We're hoping that you can stay in contact with your local User Group and continue to contribute to the Linux community. The organisers of Linux.Conf.Au would also like to thank Sun Microsystems Australia for their support of this initative to help extend the reach of the conference. About Perth Linux Users' Group Inc. - PLUG is a non-profit association for the Linux and Open Source community and aims to promote and assist this community through fortnightly seminars and workshops providing the opportunity to connect face-to-face with industry speakers and other Linux users. In addition to the free email discussion list, PLUG provides news, technical support, resources and forums on the web site (http://www.plug.linux.org.au). * About Sun Microsystems, Inc. --- Since its inception in 1982, a singular vision - "The Network Is The Computer[tm]" - has propelled Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Nasdaq: SUNW) to its position as a leading provider of industrial-strength hardware, software and services that make the Net work. Sun can be found in more than 100 countries and on the World Wide Web at www.sun.com.au * About Linux.conf.au -- Linux.conf.au is a national 'roaming' conference under the auspices of Linux Australia Inc (http://www.linux.org.au/). Its original incarnation was under the name "Conference of Australian Linux Users" (CALU), held in Melbourne at Monash University in 1999. In January 2001 it was renamed to "Linux.conf.au", and held in Sydney at the University of New South Wales under the direction of the Sydney Linux User Group (SLUG). In February 2002 it was held in Brisbane at the University of Queensland under the direction of the Home Unix Machine Brisbane User Group (HUMBUG). LCA has a very high standing in the international community for having a very technically focused, yet relaxed conference schedule. All presenters are selected from the community are of the highest calibre. * About Linux - Linux is a core part of a modern multi-user computer operating system developed by a world-wide network of enthusiasts and professionals, and is available for free under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). This license is special in that it specifically permits the end user access to the underlying source code that creates the Linux kernel, and permits them rights to modify it and redistribute it. The GPL is available from the Free Software Foundation (http://www.fsf.org). It is this model of license that leads to a "peer review" model of software development, since no part of the program remains undisclosed to any interested party. Many organisations including IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Dell Computer and Sun Microsystems are adopting Linux kernel based operating systems for a variety of tasks, from network servers to personal desktop machines and palm-sized devices. The Linux kernel, in combination with a large selection of "user space" tools and utility programs are combined to create c
Re: [SLUG] re-partition
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 01:47:10PM +1100, Simon Bryan wrote: > HI all > I am constantly having trouble with the /var partition on a rh7.2 server. It > runs Dans Gaurdian and Squid. The following is the output from df -h > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda6 372M 106M 247M 31% / > /dev/hda1 45M 5.9M 37M 14% /boot > /dev/hda3 9.4G 227M 8.6G 3% /home > none 219M 0 219M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 26G 6.6G 17G 27% /usr > /dev/hda7 251M 238M 664k 100% /var > > Question: Is it possible to repartition a live system and move some of the > space on the /usr partition over to /var? > If so what utility(ies) could I use? You don't need to repartition. I suspect you could just swap /var and /home: 1. boot single user. 2. clean out /home as much as possible 3. cd /home; mkdir oldhome; mv * oldhome 4. cd /var; cp -a . /home 5. edit /etc/fstab, make /home /var and vice versa 6. reboot, into single user again. 7. cd /var/oldhome; cp -a . /home 8. reboot 9. if everything looks ok, rm -r /var/oldhome Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Telling cups where ghostscript is located
Quick one for the experts... Can anyone tell me how to tell the cups daemon where my ghostscript is installed (it's in /usr/local/espgs)? TIA. -- ** * Simon Wong * ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Learning about security.
I'd like to expand on my security skills, it's definately an important topic. One quick question, if my iptables rules are like rusty's Netfilter HOWTO ones, what mechanisms might someone have for getting in, especially if I am running server programs on that same machine? In a nutshell those rules are: Drop on the ppp0 interface, unless the packet is flagged as a established or related connection. Accept new connections on any interface but ppp0. Can someone spoof the interface? I wouldn't think so (but also wouldn't know!) Or can they spoof an established connection? Also, can anyone recommend any good 'across the board' security books, i.e covering the other major OS(es) as well? Typical attacks, how to avoid them and system design/implementation considerations? "Hacking Exposed" has been touted as one option. Opinions? 'ta Steve -- "We live in an age of continuous partial attention." --Ms. Linda Stone, researcher and VP at Microsoft http://www.helmsdeep.net/capn-k/ Linux | Windows | CAD | Audio Visualisation and more -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Why Gentoo?
I was using Red Hat, and then made the switch to Gentoo, what I liked about it was that I got a minimal install, as apposed to hundreds of packages I never wanted, (and of course the optimisations, although the benefits of this debated) Admitially building say Mozilla takes a long time, also I had a lot of problems getting xft to work with gnome. Gentoo is very easy to use, and I have enjoyed building my system from the ground up, learning as I go. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben de Luca Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2002 6:27 AM To: James Gregory Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Why Gentoo? Well given that this isnt built into the base distrubtion, Its really not mandrake its self. Some one who does not know this isnt going to sit down and mandrake and be able to aquire the software. In my mind there appears to be 2 type of distros, those that release in a point fashion and those that are continuous. I can see the point if you are trying to comericalise a distrubtion. But its a major pain not have access to upgrade packages inside the standard installation method of your distro (redhat and mandrake do provide bug fix releases but not feature upgrades to any great extent). On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 11:30, James Gregory wrote: > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 22:21, Ben de Luca wrote: > > doing this: > > > > > > urpmi mplayer && urpmi xine && urpmi > > > > > > Can you ? I will admit I havnt played with mandrake for a about 9 months but > > at that point, the amoiunt of software available was not up today or any > > where near as extenive as what is/was available in gentoo. And I know > > redhats much smaller and more out of date that mandrakes (though I dig what > > rh has done on the gui side). > > > > are the packages that urpmi from mandrake? > > Ok, it operates very much like debian in that it has a "sources list", > which is just a list of places it can pull packages from. For me I have > the standard mandrake cooker packages, the cooker contributed packages, > packages from "plf" (http://plf.zarb.org - 1337 linux w4r3z) and some > packages from a dude called texstar (quite random. He seems to just > build random software and drop it onto this really deeply buried > directory on ibiblio. Has stuff like the Macromedia Flash plugin amongst > other things). Which covers *most* of the stuff I need. Not quite all. I > tend to make packages for software I get from source and try to get them > to other people. Something I unfortunately(?) have little time for these > days. > > And Mandrake did this 9 months ago. I didn't trust it so much back then, > but it would have worked for your stated example of installing a few > video players. > > See my presentation about mandrake and packaging love: > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~jgre4014/slug/ > > There's also a couple of screenshots there of the gui frontend to urpmi. > > > > > > on my mandrake box? Indeed I can also get stuff like the win32 dlls for > > > avifile if I need to decode something exotic with a similar command. > > > > > > > > And how is it different to using up2date on redhat? > > > > > > > > > ... I'm missing something. How is emerge better than > > > urpmi/apt-rpm/up2date? > > > > ive spent more time in redhat land of late and there is no way that u2date > > if going to go and get me the latest version of xine, or mplayer (infact if > > it gets them at all havnt they had mp3 removed?) > > surely that's a function of where you tell it to get packages from? > > re: mp3, I'm listening to one right now. Don't know what redhat does. > > James. > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] re-partition
you can copy all the contents of /var to /usr and then symlink it brett :> -Original Message- :> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of :> Simon Bryan :> Sent: Monday, 16 December 2002 1:47 PM :> To: Slug :> Subject: [SLUG] re-partition :> :> :> HI all :> I am constantly having trouble with the /var partition on :> a rh7.2 server. It :> runs Dans Gaurdian and Squid. The following is the output :> from df -h :> FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on :> /dev/hda6 372M 106M 247M 31% / :> /dev/hda1 45M 5.9M 37M 14% /boot :> /dev/hda3 9.4G 227M 8.6G 3% /home :> none 219M 0 219M 0% /dev/shm :> /dev/hda2 26G 6.6G 17G 27% /usr :> /dev/hda7 251M 238M 664k 100% /var :> :> Question: Is it possible to repartition a live system and :> move some of the :> space on the /usr partition over to /var? :> If so what utility(ies) could I use? :> :> Cheers, :> :> _ :> Simon Bryan :> IT Manager :> OLMC Parramata :> ICQ#: 137562751 :> _ :> :> -- :> SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ :> More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug :> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] re-partition
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 02:47, Simon Bryan wrote: > HI all > I am constantly having trouble with the /var partition on a rh7.2 server. It > runs Dans Gaurdian and Squid. The following is the output from df -h > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda6 372M 106M 247M 31% / > /dev/hda1 45M 5.9M 37M 14% /boot > /dev/hda3 9.4G 227M 8.6G 3% /home > none 219M 0 219M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 26G 6.6G 17G 27% /usr > /dev/hda7 251M 238M 664k 100% /var > > Question: Is it possible to repartition a live system and move some of the > space on the /usr partition over to /var? > If so what utility(ies) could I use? Not without shutting it down if that's what you mean. Try parted http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ HTH James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] re-partition
Have a look at this onewww.gnu.org/software/parted looks ok. cheers "Simon Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: To: "Slug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 16/12/2002 01:47 PMbcc: Please respond to sbryan Subject: [SLUG] re-partition HI all I am constantly having trouble with the /var partition on a rh7.2 server. It runs Dans Gaurdian and Squid. The following is the output from df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 372M 106M 247M 31% / /dev/hda1 45M 5.9M 37M 14% /boot /dev/hda3 9.4G 227M 8.6G 3% /home none 219M 0 219M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda2 26G 6.6G 17G 27% /usr /dev/hda7 251M 238M 664k 100% /var Question: Is it possible to repartition a live system and move some of the space on the /usr partition over to /var? If so what utility(ies) could I use? Cheers, _ Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramata ICQ#: 137562751 _ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] re-partition
HI all I am constantly having trouble with the /var partition on a rh7.2 server. It runs Dans Gaurdian and Squid. The following is the output from df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 372M 106M 247M 31% / /dev/hda1 45M 5.9M 37M 14% /boot /dev/hda3 9.4G 227M 8.6G 3% /home none 219M 0 219M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda2 26G 6.6G 17G 27% /usr /dev/hda7 251M 238M 664k 100% /var Question: Is it possible to repartition a live system and move some of the space on the /usr partition over to /var? If so what utility(ies) could I use? Cheers, _ Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramata ICQ#: 137562751 _ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Cups Printing from Windows XP
I added the printer via ipp, and it works now. Thanks for your help. Scott -- Scott Ragen Support Manager/IT Administrator Roadtech Systems www.roadtechsystems.com.au PH: +61 2 9807 3516 FAX: +61 2 9808 5294 "David Kempe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 16-12-2002 12:06:18 PM: > from memory you should not use LPD. > XP and CUPS supports IPP so you can use ipp://servername/queue/printer > i think that is the correct thing > > dave > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "David Kempe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cups Printing from Windows XP > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16-12-2002 11:46:34 AM: > > > > > Yes I have seen this before. > > > Its something to do with the format you are addressing the printer in > > XP. > > > you gotta get the address syntax correct or you get this problem. > > > Are you using an IPP url? > > > > > No, Just the lpd port. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Scott > > > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] cdroast track problem
I'm making copies of my son's demo disk!! When I play the cd back on my macintosh it works perfectly, but on my sound system, all 5 tracks play as track 1, although the player display reports 5 tracks correctly. The machine with the burner has no sound card, so I can't try it on that. In either case, there is nothing wrong with the sound (depending what sort of music you like). The macintosh cd is also a dvd player, so presumably of a higher quality??? Is this a cd player problem or an x-cd-roast problem? x-cd-roast 0.98alpha9 running on woody using a "liteon" 48 times burner running at 32 times. I've also tried it at 16 times, but that makes no difference. Thanks... David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Cups Printing from Windows XP
Yes I have seen this before. Its something to do with the format you are addressing the printer in XP. you gotta get the address syntax correct or you get this problem. Are you using an IPP url? dave - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: [SLUG] Cups Printing from Windows XP > Hi all, > I'm not sure if this is a windows problem or Linux problem, but here it > goes: > We have an epson printer on the back of a linux box (Parrallel), and it > prints from All other windows clients (Win98, 2000 and XP) Boxes, except > one winXP box. > I have tried setting this up through both the samba share, and WindowsXP > "remote port". > on the cups/error_log in both cases comes up with this error: > > E [13/Dec/2002:15:03:46 +1100] get_printer_attrs: resource name > '/printers/epson' no good! > E [13/Dec/2002:15:03:46 +1100] get_jobs: resource name '/printers/epson' > no good! > > Has anyone seen this before. > The Windows XP Box does printer to other network printers. > > I have googled and nothing inspiring comes up. > > Regards, > > Scott > > -- > Scott Ragen > Support Manager/IT Administrator > Roadtech Systems > www.roadtechsystems.com.au > PH: +61 2 9807 3516 FAX: +61 2 9808 5294 > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & PSM
Peter Chubb wrote: > > Howard> I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro. It won't > Howard> access https sites and complains that I need to install the > Howard> Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US > Howard> export laws) > > I think you need the mozilla-psm package from Redhat. > mozilla-psm-1.0.1-26.i386 RPM Ah thanks. I had the same probs as Howard when I went to download the latest Perl Journal this week. I ended up using the dark side browser as I couldn't find anything using mozillas plug in finder :-) There are debs for it too. Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Why Gentoo?
Well given that this isnt built into the base distrubtion, Its really not mandrake its self. Some one who does not know this isnt going to sit down and mandrake and be able to aquire the software. In my mind there appears to be 2 type of distros, those that release in a point fashion and those that are continuous. I can see the point if you are trying to comericalise a distrubtion. But its a major pain not have access to upgrade packages inside the standard installation method of your distro (redhat and mandrake do provide bug fix releases but not feature upgrades to any great extent). On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 11:30, James Gregory wrote: > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 22:21, Ben de Luca wrote: > > doing this: > > > > > > urpmi mplayer && urpmi xine && urpmi > > > > > > Can you ? I will admit I havnt played with mandrake for a about 9 months but > > at that point, the amoiunt of software available was not up today or any > > where near as extenive as what is/was available in gentoo. And I know > > redhats much smaller and more out of date that mandrakes (though I dig what > > rh has done on the gui side). > > > > are the packages that urpmi from mandrake? > > Ok, it operates very much like debian in that it has a "sources list", > which is just a list of places it can pull packages from. For me I have > the standard mandrake cooker packages, the cooker contributed packages, > packages from "plf" (http://plf.zarb.org - 1337 linux w4r3z) and some > packages from a dude called texstar (quite random. He seems to just > build random software and drop it onto this really deeply buried > directory on ibiblio. Has stuff like the Macromedia Flash plugin amongst > other things). Which covers *most* of the stuff I need. Not quite all. I > tend to make packages for software I get from source and try to get them > to other people. Something I unfortunately(?) have little time for these > days. > > And Mandrake did this 9 months ago. I didn't trust it so much back then, > but it would have worked for your stated example of installing a few > video players. > > See my presentation about mandrake and packaging love: > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~jgre4014/slug/ > > There's also a couple of screenshots there of the gui frontend to urpmi. > > > > > > on my mandrake box? Indeed I can also get stuff like the win32 dlls for > > > avifile if I need to decode something exotic with a similar command. > > > > > > > > And how is it different to using up2date on redhat? > > > > > > > > > ... I'm missing something. How is emerge better than > > > urpmi/apt-rpm/up2date? > > > > ive spent more time in redhat land of late and there is no way that u2date > > if going to go and get me the latest version of xine, or mplayer (infact if > > it gets them at all havnt they had mp3 removed?) > > surely that's a function of where you tell it to get packages from? > > re: mp3, I'm listening to one right now. Don't know what redhat does. > > James. > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & PSM
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro. > > It won't access https sites and complains that I need to install the > Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US export > laws) I just installed RH8 the other week and I don't recall having any problems with the PSM not being installed. It's part of the RH8 RPMs, you can get the Red Hat RPM from: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/redhat-8.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/mozilla-psm-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm perhaps installing from the RPM will work better than installing the binaries. Mozilla also has also built some more recent releases of Mozilla as RPMs, for example 1.2.1: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2.1/Red_Hat_8x_RPMS/ -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & PSM
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 07:32, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro. > > It won't access https sites and complains that I need to install the > Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US export laws) That's weird Howard. I have no trouble at all having done an absolute standard install from cds. CDs from Linux System Labs. Cheers, Alan > > I have downloaded the PSM binaries from the Netscape site and am > installing them into /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/security but Mozilla still > doesn't want to run the PSM. > > Where to from here? The mozilla.org site is not particularly helpful. > > -- > Howard. > LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people > Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com > "Flatter government, not fatter government." - me > Get rid of the Australian states. > -- > If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > -- -- Alan L Tyree[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.law.usyd.edu.au/~alant Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 419 638 170 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mozilla & PSM
> "Howard" == Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Howard> I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro. It won't Howard> access https sites and complains that I need to install the Howard> Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US Howard> export laws) I think you need the mozilla-psm package from Redhat. mozilla-psm-1.0.1-26.i386 RPM You have to have the one that matches your mozilla distribution. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mozilla & PSM
I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro. It won't access https sites and complains that I need to install the Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US export laws) I have downloaded the PSM binaries from the Netscape site and am installing them into /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/security but Mozilla still doesn't want to run the PSM. Where to from here? The mozilla.org site is not particularly helpful. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com "Flatter government, not fatter government." - me Get rid of the Australian states. -- If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mail servers
Hi, In its wisdom, Optus cable blocks port 25, so I can't run an email server on port 25 at home. Currently I have email going to zoneedit, which splits based on envelope address and forwards to about half a dozen `free' email accounts, at optus and fastmail. These are then grabbed using fetchmail and IMAP (or POP for optus) The whole thing is incredibly clusmy, although it does work. Do any of you know of any free or low cost mail servers, who'd consent to act as MX for my domain, that I could then poll with ODMR ?? I looked at mailkeep.com but it's a bit pricey. Peter Chubb. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Why Gentoo?
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 22:21, Ben de Luca wrote: > doing this: > > > > urpmi mplayer && urpmi xine && urpmi > > > Can you ? I will admit I havnt played with mandrake for a about 9 months but > at that point, the amoiunt of software available was not up today or any > where near as extenive as what is/was available in gentoo. And I know > redhats much smaller and more out of date that mandrakes (though I dig what > rh has done on the gui side). > > are the packages that urpmi from mandrake? Ok, it operates very much like debian in that it has a "sources list", which is just a list of places it can pull packages from. For me I have the standard mandrake cooker packages, the cooker contributed packages, packages from "plf" (http://plf.zarb.org - 1337 linux w4r3z) and some packages from a dude called texstar (quite random. He seems to just build random software and drop it onto this really deeply buried directory on ibiblio. Has stuff like the Macromedia Flash plugin amongst other things). Which covers *most* of the stuff I need. Not quite all. I tend to make packages for software I get from source and try to get them to other people. Something I unfortunately(?) have little time for these days. And Mandrake did this 9 months ago. I didn't trust it so much back then, but it would have worked for your stated example of installing a few video players. See my presentation about mandrake and packaging love: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~jgre4014/slug/ There's also a couple of screenshots there of the gui frontend to urpmi. > > > on my mandrake box? Indeed I can also get stuff like the win32 dlls for > > avifile if I need to decode something exotic with a similar command. > > > > > And how is it different to using up2date on redhat? > > > > > > ... I'm missing something. How is emerge better than > > urpmi/apt-rpm/up2date? > > ive spent more time in redhat land of late and there is no way that u2date > if going to go and get me the latest version of xine, or mplayer (infact if > it gets them at all havnt they had mp3 removed?) surely that's a function of where you tell it to get packages from? re: mp3, I'm listening to one right now. Don't know what redhat does. James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] reminder: DebSIG is on tomorrow (11th Dec)
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:40:38PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Just a reminder that DebSIG is on tomorrow. The venue is the Spanish > Club on the corner of Liverpool and George St from approximately 7pm > onwards. > > The nearest train station is Town Hall and it is near the Three Wise > Monkeys bar -- they'll be premeet drinks there from 6:30pm onwards too. > > It looks like we've booked out a fair chunk of the restaurant, so if you > haven't told me whether you are coming or not - you'd best hurry up. > Just a quick follow-up; we had a quarter of the restaurant and a lot of newcomers along including HP's Linux support in Australia and the MySQL guys. And we had Spanish dancing girls too! Enjoy your holidays and I'll send out a reminder when BDale is in town. Thanks, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Missing Disk space?
I got a reply to this and it looks like the hdb6 partion did not get created correctly - Original Message - From: "Kevin Saenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Missing Disk space? > Ok have you tried > > du -h --max-depth=2 /home > > once you have done that you will find out who the culprit is. > > > > Hi All, > > I seem to be missing 6 gig of disk space. > > This could have been happening all along, but I hadn't noticed as its only > > become an issue since the /home directory is getting full. > > > > I have a 13 gig western digital as a secondary drive (Confirmed by hdparm > > -i /dev/hdb), but when I do a df -h, it shows only two filesystems of > > these sizes: > > > > [root@Laziar2 /root]# df -h > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hdb6 2.9G 2.7G 100M 97% /home > > /dev/hdb5 3.9G 2.5G 1.3G 65% /usr > > > > I thought I might have had some unallocated space on the disk, but I then > > went into fdisk, printed out the partition info and it shows: > > > >Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System > > /dev/hdb1 1 1871 150287765 Extended > > /dev/hdb5 1 523 4200934+ 83 Linux > > /dev/hdb6 524 1871 10827778+ 83 Linux > > > > I thought it might be the bios, but I don't think so, without rebooting I > > can't check, but its an ABIT BH6 motherboard, and should detect 13 gig > > harddrives. > > > > Anyone have any ideas as to where the 6 gig could have gone? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott > > > > -- > > Scott Ragen > > Support Manager/IT Administrator > > Roadtech Systems > > www.roadtechsystems.com.au > > PH: +61 2 9807 3516 FAX: +61 2 9808 5294 > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Why Gentoo?
> > > Now, you have said that Gentoo runs faster. I posit that if this is true > > > (and I openly admit that I have my doubts) it simply cannot be due to > > > compiler optimizations. Can you tell us (technically, not emotionally) > > > why you think that Gentoo is so much faster than Mandrake. Tell you > > > what, I'm on a Celeron 1066, run > > > > > > time factor 11644393255565173 > > ok real 0m1.373s > > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > > cpu family : 6 > > model : 4 > > model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor > > stepping : 4 > > cpu MHz : 1410.217 > > cache size : 256 KB > > :) oh to have my athlon running again. Anyone got a 1400MHz athlon > they'd care to throw at the problem? I'm really interested to see this. > > So are you using march=athlon in compilation? > > > then > > emerge -S video > > emerge Mplayer; emerge xine; emerge > > Right. So, how is that different to me doing this: > > urpmi mplayer && urpmi xine && urpmi Can you ? I will admit I havnt played with mandrake for a about 9 months but at that point, the amoiunt of software available was not up today or any where near as extenive as what is/was available in gentoo. And I know redhats much smaller and more out of date that mandrakes (though I dig what rh has done on the gui side). are the packages that urpmi from mandrake? > on my mandrake box? Indeed I can also get stuff like the win32 dlls for > avifile if I need to decode something exotic with a similar command. > > And how is it different to using up2date on redhat? > > > ... I'm missing something. How is emerge better than > urpmi/apt-rpm/up2date? ive spent more time in redhat land of late and there is no way that u2date if going to go and get me the latest version of xine, or mplayer (infact if it gets them at all havnt they had mp3 removed?) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
