[SLUG] Re: Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Ben Buxton
Dan Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:
> Morning Sluggers,
> 
> Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order.
> 
> Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic 
> allowance would be good.
> 
> The Co-lo would need to be located in sydney the others I'm fairly 
> ambivalent about (but if O/S a nice exchange rate helps)
> 
> After experiences both good and bad.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan.

I use Linode in the US. They are a UML based bunch and you can install
pretty much any distro you choose. Prices start at $USD20/month.

http://www.linode.com/

Very happy with them - they're stable:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uptime
 08:45:27 up 348 days, 14:39,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

And give you gigs upon gigs of data transfer (starting at 25G/month).

Just watch the contention ratios though - I wouldnt recommend running
anything with high load on the cheapest plans.

BB

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Ben Buxton wrote:

> I use Linode in the US. They are a UML based bunch and you can install
> pretty much any distro you choose. Prices start at $USD20/month.
> 
> http://www.linode.com/

As the person who tipped Ben off about linode, I'll also vouch for them.  
Excellent service, excellent support.  The user community around it is 
very good.  The guy who runs it, cakers, is very very clueful and 
constantly working on new features, though just about everything you 
could need is there out-of-the-box.

> Just watch the contention ratios though - I wouldnt recommend running
> anything with high load on the cheapest plans.

Yes 64 megs RAM is not enough for more than one task: web server, mail 
server, dns serving.  Anything more, you need a bigger plan.  I use a 92 
meg plan for mail server (writing this on my linode) and web server.  It 
handles Spam Assassin JUST, if I serialize all incoming emails so I 
don't have more than one thread at a time.

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[SLUG] Geographic Information Systems and PostgreSQL

2005-06-02 Thread telford
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There was a question last meeting with regards to
PostgreSQL and the consensus seemed to be that it wasn't
up to the job of handling GIS. I did a few performance
tests on my laptop and didn't find it all that bad,
I guess it would be interesting to race it off against
other indexing systems on the same hardware but my
results are really just scratching the surface of all
the tests that could usefully be done.

 http://bespoke.homelinux.net/geo/

I did notice that the R-Tree performance is somewhat
data dependent although I'd like the chance to go into
that in a bit more detail. I'll add to the page when
I've run a few more tests... I remember someone saying
that they had the loan of a kick-arse server as a test
bench (was it Matt? can't remember) if anyone wants to
lend me an account on a test machine I can chug my 
test scripts across and give it a run to produce some
comparison graphs (current test is only on my laptop
which obviously has its limitations).

- Tel  ( http://bespoke.homelinux.net/ )
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Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Jeff Waugh


> Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order.
> 
> Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic allowance
> would be good.

www.linode.com -> bloody fantastic

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Re: [SLUG] SQL Brain teaser...

2005-06-02 Thread James Gregory
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 19:59 +1000, Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux
wrote:
> I'm trying to do some metrics on how long it takes to process an order in 
> our system based on time between printing the picking slip and bagging the 
> goods for dispatch. The aim is to determin the maximum performance if we 
> were to have one guy do nothing but pick & pack orders.

> +---+-+-+--+
> | ordno | pickslip_printed| docketdate  | packmins |
> +---+-+-+--+
> | ordno | 2005-06-01 14:32:16 | 2005-06-01 14:34:47 |3 |

So the issue is cases like this one where three orders are processed in
parallel:

> | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:27 | 2005-06-01 15:27:26 |   15 |
> | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:28 | 2005-06-01 15:30:25 |   18 |
> | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:29 | 2005-06-01 15:21:53 |9 |

So, if we want to consider the time each order actually takes to
process, and we're allowing parallel packing we need to make some
assumptions about what's going on with that parallel processing. Let's
make this assumption: in overlapped time periods, it is acceptable to
use the docketdate to demarcate time spent on different orders.

So the analysis you're looking for then is not how much time can
directly be attributed to each order, but rather how much time is spent
on each order, without necessarily knowing which order took that time
(you don't have enough data there to do direct attributions even if you
wanted to).

If we can assume that then you can make some headway on the problem --
you can flatten your data-structure to a time-line of events and measure
the time between events. Further, you can also ask the database to
ignore time when no order processing is occurring.

(excuse my SQL here, it's been a few months)

select eventdate, eventname, eventdiff from 
  (select pickslip_printed, 'printed', 1 from orders)
 union all
  (select docketdate, 'docketed', -1 from orders)
order by eventdate asc;

Which discards the relationship of times to specific orders, and allows
analysis of just the time elapsed between events. In addition, the
eventdiff column will allow you to work out how many orders are
outstanding at any point in the timeline.

I'd make that into a view, and then build another view that evaluates
the sum of the eventdiff column up to that row for every row. Whereever
that sum is > 0, there are orders being worked on. Once you get to that
point, the elapsed time on an order will be the difference between some
of the adjacent rows, which is similarly easily calculated.

I say "some of", because of course the one second that elapsed between
those orders being "printed" does not represent packing time. If you
think about it, you can solve that problem but that gets a bit fiddly
(you'd need to differentiate between print-print, print-docket and
docket-docket scenarios. The latter two would represent order processing
time, which is doable, but you need to keep inter-row state, which is
slightly tricky in SQL), so you're probably better off employing some
kind of heuristic given what you know about the data (eg that you don't
believe an order could be packed in < 30 seconds or similar).

Not bullet-proof, but it's a start.

HTH,

James.
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Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Piers Wren
I've got 2 UML machines around the place. one on tektonic.net and one on
redwoodvirtual.com.

TekTonic are the better of those two, I seem to get more available CPU.
Ping time is a bit of an issue, but once connected the speed is good.
Support is reasonable but nothing special.

I use redwoodvirtual for my personal server. I'm on the $10/mo plan
which gives me 20Gb/mo bandwidth. It's far from quick (CPU), but
reliable enough (current uptime is 143 days) and capable of running
apache/postfix/spamassassin/bind as long as the load isn't high.
Download speed is enough to saturate my connections. Support on redwood
is pretty ordinary - email them and they get back a few days later.

If you're considering UML, check out www.usermodelinux.org. Click the
'Commercial' link on the right hand side of the page to get a list of a
few UML providers around the place.

My general experience with UML has been great. Just don't expect to run
anything diskspace or memory intensive as it quickly gets expensive.

Cheers,
-Piers.


On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 12:04 +0200, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order.
> > 
> > Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic allowance
> > would be good.
> 
> www.linode.com -> bloody fantastic
> 
> - Jeff
> 
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Re: [SLUG] access ext3 partion from xp dual boot

2005-06-02 Thread 國產 Wei-Yee Chan (Made in Chinar)
I haven't used Ubuntu before, but if I'm not wrong, for any Linux
distribution, editing the fstab file to mount the partition always work.

linleycaetan wrote:

> I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio.
> Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from
> windows ?
>

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Re: [SLUG] access ext3 partion from xp dual boot

2005-06-02 Thread 國產 Wei-Yee Chan (Made in Chinar)
I haven't used Ubuntu before, but if I'm not wrong, for any Linux
distribution, editing the fstab file to mount the partition always works.

linleycaetan wrote:

> I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio.
> Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from
> windows ?
>

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Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Michael Fox
On 6/2/05, Piers Wren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use redwoodvirtual for my personal server. I'm on the $10/mo plan
> which gives me 20Gb/mo bandwidth. It's far from quick (CPU), but
> reliable enough (current uptime is 143 days) and capable of running
> apache/postfix/spamassassin/bind as long as the load isn't high.
> Download speed is enough to saturate my connections. Support on redwood
> is pretty ordinary - email them and they get back a few days later.

Thanks for that. I think redwoodvirtual might do just what I need for
my personal domain. I am sick of the shared hosting. I'd like to
control my box with a rootshell, as I am sick of the hosting firm
doing changes which breaks my online gallery cause they did some to
php or something similar.

The price is reasonable, as long as I can run a http/email with spam
protection etc.. Then I think it will do the job nicely.

> 
> If you're considering UML, check out www.usermodelinux.org. Click the
> 'Commercial' link on the right hand side of the page to get a list of a
> few UML providers around the place.
> 
> My general experience with UML has been great. Just don't expect to run
> anything diskspace or memory intensive as it quickly gets expensive.
> 
But it handles the personal domain well right? With no extra costs?
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Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML & Dedicated servers

2005-06-02 Thread Piers Wren
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 07:06 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
> Thanks for that. I think redwoodvirtual might do just what I need for
> my personal domain. I am sick of the shared hosting. I'd like to
> control my box with a rootshell, as I am sick of the hosting firm
> doing changes which breaks my online gallery cause they did some to
> php or something similar.
> 
> The price is reasonable, as long as I can run a http/email with spam
> protection etc.. Then I think it will do the job nicely.

I'm currently running apache/postfix/spamassassin/bind/mysql/wu-imapd.
You have to be careful in setting up spamassassin to get its memory
footprint down, ie, don't run it through procmail ;)

Since you mentioned you'll be using it for an online gallery, I have
linpha (linpha.sf.net) running on mine indexing about 1gig of photos and
it works. If you're on a quick connection you can notice that it's slow
in rendering pages, but when I put up my wedding pics and everyone was
hitting it to check those out there was no stability issues.

> But it handles the personal domain well right? With no extra costs?

Correct. I spent US$100 for 12 months hosting and haven't had to spend a
dorrar more. The only thing I would consider changing next time is to go
for more than 64meg RAM as that has been the main thing limiting me
doing Cool Stuff.

-Piers.


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[SLUG] Perl Training Australia offer for SLUG members

2005-06-02 Thread Grant Parnell - slug
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>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:09:41 +1000
>From: Jacinta Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Grant Parnell - slug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Perl Training Australia offer for SLUG members

Upcoming Perl courses in Sydney
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months and would like to extend a discount to all SLUG financial members.

If you're not already a SLUG financial member, join SLUG and use our
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Mention your SLUG membership number when you book to get the discounted
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[SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted

2005-06-02 Thread Steve Waddington
* Major Responsibilities 
* Career Development Role 
* Attractive Remuneration

Working in North Sydney

Skills needed:

- Expert Linux skills - Redhat or Mandrake
- Sound knowledge of Qmail and Vqmail
- Sound knowledge of MySQL
- Sound knowledge of FreeRadius
- Sound knowledge of NFS
- Sound knowledge of Apache

Background

- Worked in a service provider environment
- 3 years experience as system administrator minimum

Scope of Work

- Take responsibility for 24 production servers
- Ensure 100% availability of all production services through monitoring
and
timely intervention
- Plan upgrades to services as needed
- Manage upgrade migrations
- Plan and install new services as needed

Ideal Candidate

- Is fanatical about system administration
- Has worked for an ISP in System administration for the last 18 months,
taking on all work and responsibilities
- Can demonstrate competence in all 'skills needed' areas
- Is now looking to take a lead role
- Is a reasonable person

Remuneration

-Up to $84,000 commensurate with experience.


Please send your resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[SLUG] [computerbank] Casula Working Bee This Weekend & Next

2005-06-02 Thread Dan Treacy

Hi Sluggers,

Just a reminder to all that ComputerBank's Casula premises will be open 
and having a working bee this weekend and next.


Everyone is welcome.

We kick off at 10:30am on each of the days and go as long as people are 
keen.


No experience required (although if you do have some it's much 
appreciated) and all you really need bring is some enthusiasm and maybe 
a few tools to dismantle machines (screwdrivers etc) so we have enough 
to go around.


Also any people who have a access to a ute/van/truck sometime over the 
next two weekends if you could email me off list that would be much 
appreciated


You can come anytime and stay as long as you want. However as it starts 
to get later in the afternoon if you're looking at turning up then call 
me on 0410526200 to make sure we're still there and not about to head home.


Day: Saturday & Sunday (4th & 5th June)
Time: 10:30am onwards
Location: Casula Powerhouse
  1 Casula Rd
  Casula

Turn left off Hume Highway (if coming from liverpool/city direction) at 
the CheeseCake Shop and follow the signs. It's right beside Casula train 
station.


Hope to see you there,

Dan
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Re: [SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted

2005-06-02 Thread telford
Not hassling out the job or anything, it seems like a good offer.
Just one thing I can't help commenting on...

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:48:09AM +1000, Steve Waddington wrote:
> Ideal Candidate
> 
> - Is fanatical about system administration

> - Has worked for an ISP in System administration for the last 18 months,
> taking on all work and responsibilities
> - Can demonstrate competence in all 'skills needed' areas
> - Is now looking to take a lead role
> - Is a reasonable person
~~

Why is it that every job description has to have the word
"fanatical" in it somewhere, but at the same time anyone who
is a genuine fanatic is treated like an outcast for being
unreasonable and hard to work with?

Why not just make it clear, "We want exceptional results but
are unwilling to suffer any inconvenience in achieving those
results."

- Tel

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[SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread dimitri
Just wanted an opinion.

Is the penguin globally recognized, would most people know the Linux logo,
or is it still insider information.

I am working on some Spam ads, and thought of making one for Linux and the
one concept work's only if everyone would recognize the penguin. No use
when Award judges sit there and wonder what is going on.

Cheers, Dimitri
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Re: [SLUG] access ext3 partion from xp dual boot

2005-06-02 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi
have a look on source forge I believe there is a package that allow
windows machines to mount ext2 (maybe ext3 ) partitions, been a while
since I looked at it

A
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:36:09PM +1000, linleycaetan wrote:
> I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio.
> Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ?
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted

2005-06-02 Thread James Gray
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 01:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not hassling out the job or anything, it seems like a good offer.
> Just one thing I can't help commenting on...
>
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:48:09AM +1000, Steve Waddington wrote:
> > Ideal Candidate
> >
> > - Is fanatical about system administration
> Why is it that every job description has to have the word
> "fanatical" in it somewhere, but at the same time anyone who
> is a genuine fanatic is treated like an outcast for being
> unreasonable and hard to work with?
>
> Why not just make it clear, "We want exceptional results but
> are unwilling to suffer any inconvenience in achieving those
> results."

I've been called many things where I work:
Security Nazi
RFC Zealot
Unix Pig
Linux Whore
Rack Monkey
Packet Sniffer (I jest you not!)
Sneaky Little Bastard
Hey you!
...

Never been called a "fanatic" though...maybe I'm not qualified?

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[SLUG] RHEL3u4

2005-06-02 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi

Installing rhel3u4 on some old hardware, and when the install gets to
probing the monitor is locks the computer up.

I have tried these options

nofb skipddc text noprobe

which worked on RHEL4, but seem to make no difference to the rhel3u4
install process.  How can I get a totally text only no probing of the
monitor install going ?

Alex





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Re: [SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted

2005-06-02 Thread Jon Austin
On 6/3/05, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been called many things where I work:
> Security Nazi
> RFC Zealot
> Unix Pig
> Linux Whore
> Rack Monkey
> Packet Sniffer (I jest you not!)
> Sneaky Little Bastard
> Hey you!

BOFH? 

In an office full of Dilbert fans, I am also referred to as Mordac -
The evil-hearted director of Information Services.
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Re: [SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted

2005-06-02 Thread telford
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:31:59PM +1000, James Gray wrote:

> I've been called many things where I work:
> Security Nazi
> RFC Zealot
> Unix Pig
> Linux Whore
> Rack Monkey
> Packet Sniffer (I jest you not!)
> Sneaky Little Bastard
> Hey you!
> ...
> 
> Never been called a "fanatic" though...maybe I'm not qualified?

Don't forget you have to also be a "reasonable person" at the same time.
Surely a reasonable person is by definition not a fanatic.

- Tel


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Re: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread TongMaster
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 05:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just wanted an opinion.

G'day Dimitri. I've had two reactions to your post. The first reaction
was "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source some crack for this
weekend" then after re-reading I thought what I might really is a little
more elaboration on what it is you intend to do with our beloved Tux.

As for recognition, Tux is well recognised in the IT world but only not
widely beyond that.

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for labourmarket programs". 
--John Howard (Address to Youth, Macgregor, 20 February 1996) 

The Truth: 
Kerry O'Brien: "Now, for all the people on those labour market programs,
I would suggest it to them that would have been a pretty core promise
and you've broken it." 

John Howard: "Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money on
labourmarket programs". 
--John Howard (ABC 7:30 Report, 21 August 1996)
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Re: [SLUG] Geographic Information Systems and PostgreSQL

2005-06-02 Thread Matt Moor




I've run a few more tests... I remember someone saying
that they had the loan of a kick-arse server as a test
bench (was it Matt? can't remember)


Funny story, that.

We sent it back, but not before it (helped) take out a power circuits in 
the office where it was located. :(


Before I could do too much testing, either. But we did get a kernel 
compile in 200s (with fairly conservative make options).


Cheers,

Matt
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[SLUG] Linux/Windows shared partition question

2005-06-02 Thread Leslie Katz
Tony Lissner asked me a question in a reply to some questions of mine about 
the above subject. He asked whether I'd formatted the partition in question 
in Windows.


That question of his triggered in my mind a recollection of the existence 
of the "Disk Management" facility in Windows XP, so I opened that up to see 
what appeared there.


What I found was two different representations of my hard drives, one 
textual and the other graphical. (Other drives, optical and flash, were 
also represented, but they don't matter for present purposes.)


What the representations showed for the original hard drive was that it was 
divided into two partitions, labelled "C:" and "E:". The first one had the 
name "IBM_PRELOAD". It was described as "Healthy (System)". The second had 
the name "IBM_SERVICE". It was described as "Healthy".


What the representations showed for the new hard drive (the Linux one) was 
four partitions, with no letters assigned to them at all.


Partition 1, obviously my "/boot" partition, was described as "Healthy 
(Active)". Partitions 2, 3, and 4 were all described as "Healthy (Unknown 
Partition)". Partition two was obviously my "/" partition; partition 3 was 
what I'd optimistically labelled as my "/shared" partition, the one I'd 
formatted as vfat; and partition 4 was my swap partition.


I clicked on partition 3 to see what I was allowed to do with it and the 
only option permitted was "Delete Partition".


I assume that I can't access from Windows partition 3 on my Linux drive 
without, at least, having a letter attached to the partition for Windows 
purposes. Is there a way for me to do such a thing? Or should I instead be 
bothering a Windows forum to get the answer to that question?


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Re: [SLUG] Telephone recording?

2005-06-02 Thread telford
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On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:13:20AM +1000, Angus Lees wrote:
> At Fri, 27 May 2005 13:04:21 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > What's the most sensible and reliable way to record a phone conversation,
> > assuming a standard phone, using Free Software (and probably a bit of
> > hardware)?
> 
> You can get phone audio into a computer by using one of those old
> voice-modems with the right AT commands (often not full-duplex, but
> that isn't a problem here), or a telephony card with an FXO port.
> Whether something like asterisk will make the software side easier or
> not, I'll leave as an exercise for the reader -- but even using
> asterisk for this step wouldn't require anyone to use VoIP, assuming
> you had a PSTN double-adaptor thingy at your end.

I have tested this with the Netcomm "Webmaster" CD1800 56k V90 and
yes it works and the AT commands are moderately well documented 
(not by Netcomm, you need to search around). Roughly it is something
like:

  AT+FCLASS=8
  AT+VCID=1
  AT+VSM=128,8000
  AT+VLS=1
  AT+VRX
  
Then modem sends "CONNECT" followed by a stream of 8 bit unsigned
samples. There are some other bits of stuff encoded in the samples
as a DLE (0x10) followed by a single byte so you should strip those
out afterwards.

To hang up, you send:

  AT
  ATH

The exact numbers after the "=" depends on the modem and what sort
of codecs it supports. The CD1800 is about $70 retail and supports
only one codec which is 8 bit unsigned linear PCM at 8kHz.
Voice quality is reasonable, not fantastic but better than most
mobile phones. You need to split your phone line and feed it parallel
into the modem and the handset which seems to make the handset a 
little bit quieter (but maybe I'm going deaf).

This is about the easiest way I can think of for recording a phone
conversation to computer and sox will convert the resulting file
into something more presentable:

  /usr/bin/sox -v2.0 -r8000 -db -fu $infile $outfile lowp 2000

or something similar...

- Tel  ( http://bespoke.homelinux.net/ )
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AW: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread dimitri
don't know how the  "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source some crack for

this weekend" came in.


it's boring advertising really. But you asked for it.

I thought I take a picture of a window in winter time with the typical
cross frame. The glass is foggy and just in the right bottom corner you
have a little clear circle, obviously made from some one swiping the hand
over as you do in winter time, and a little penguin looks out from there.
Not tux, a real head of a penguin.
Small Linux logo at the bottom, finished.. it would be just for brand
recognition, but not much help when i find out that not every one knows
tux.

cheers, Dimitri



 --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Datum: 03.06.2005 06:43
Von: TongMaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: slug@slug.org.au
Betreff: Re: [SLUG] penguin recognition

> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 05:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Just wanted an opinion.
>
> G'day Dimitri. I've had two reactions to your post. The first reaction
> was "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source some crack for this
> weekend" then after re-reading I thought what I might really is a
little
> more elaboration on what it is you intend to do with our beloved Tux.
>
> As for recognition, Tux is well recognised in the IT world but only not
> widely beyond that.
>
> --
> "Well, we're certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding
> for labourmarket programs".
> --John Howard (Address to Youth, Macgregor, 20 February 1996)
>
> The Truth:
> Kerry O'Brien: "Now, for all the people on those labour market
programs,
> I would suggest it to them that would have been a pretty core promise
> and you've broken it."
>
> John Howard: "Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money
on
> labourmarket programs".
> --John Howard (ABC 7:30 Report, 21 August 1996)
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RE: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread Roger Barnes
> don't know how the  "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source 
> some crack for this weekend" came in.

I think Tongmaster is referring to your Spam reference.  As you explained to me 
when I asked, that was a typo ...

Dimitri said :
> Ok, scam ads in creative circles are not very harmful. (Sorry I wrote "spam" 
> wrongly earlier)
> 
> That's when you make print ads (or TV, radio) your client did not request or 
> you not even 
> have the client. Than you enter them into an Award show and hope to get 
> recognized. 

I hope you don't mind my quoting your off-list reply to clear up the confusion 
of your original post.

- Rog
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[SLUG] Re: Geographic Information Systems and PostgreSQL

2005-06-02 Thread Matt Palmer
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:45:13PM +1000, Matt Moor wrote:
> >I've run a few more tests... I remember someone saying
> >that they had the loan of a kick-arse server as a test
> >bench (was it Matt? can't remember)
>
> Funny story, that.
> 
> We sent it back, but not before it (helped) take out a power circuits in 
> the office where it was located. :(

It's actually still (at least as of yesterday afternoon) still sitting in
the same office, although the power problems remain.  It's still there
because nobody has yet plucked up the strength to heft the damn thing back
into it's packaging to send it back (it is an absolute fscking tank of a
machine).

- Matt


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Re: AW: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread TongMaster
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 07:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> don't know how the  "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source some crack for
> this weekend" came in.

Having read Roger's email, it makes much more sense :) I spent some
trying to work out whether or not this was a genuine email, an address
harvest effort or a troll :) Doing a Tux scam ad as opposed to  SPAM ad
will get very different responses :)

> I thought I take a picture of a window in winter time with the typical
> cross frame. The glass is foggy and just in the right bottom corner you
> have a little clear circle, obviously made from some one swiping the hand
> over as you do in winter time, and a little penguin looks out from there.
> Not tux, a real head of a penguin.

Sounds like a good image.

> Small Linux logo at the bottom, finished.. it would be just for brand
> recognition, but not much help when i find out that not every one knows
> tux.

Do you get to put any accompanying notes with the image for the awards?

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Western democracies, including our own, by our leaders, than the
argument that was put for the invasion of Iraq." 
-- Greens leader Senator Bob Brown, October 3rd, 2003.
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AW: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread dimitri
"Do you get to put any accompanying notes with the image for the awards?"


Unfortunately not, so if Mr.. judge don't get it in 3 seconds it's gone to
the bin.
By what I've got so far is that I can't really use it as no one outside
the IT room knows little tux...

thanks, guys and sorry for the scan spam confusion...




--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Datum: 03.06.2005 07:46
Von: TongMaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: slug@slug.org.au
Betreff: Re: AW: [SLUG] penguin recognition

> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 07:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > don't know how the  "Hey, perhaps Dimitri can help me source some
crack for
> > this weekend" came in.
>
> Having read Roger's email, it makes much more sense :) I spent some
> trying to work out whether or not this was a genuine email, an address
> harvest effort or a troll :) Doing a Tux scam ad as opposed to  SPAM ad
> will get very different responses :)
>
> > I thought I take a picture of a window in winter time with the
typical
> > cross frame. The glass is foggy and just in the right bottom corner
you
> > have a little clear circle, obviously made from some one swiping the
hand
> > over as you do in winter time, and a little penguin looks out from
there.
> > Not tux, a real head of a penguin.
>
> Sounds like a good image.
>
> > Small Linux logo at the bottom, finished.. it would be just for brand
> > recognition, but not much help when i find out that not every one
knows
> > tux.
>
> Do you get to put any accompanying notes with the image for the awards?
>
> --
> "There has never been, in my lifetime, a more serious deceit in the
> Western democracies, including our own, by our leaders, than the
> argument that was put for the invasion of Iraq."
> -- Greens leader Senator Bob Brown, October 3rd, 2003.
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Re: AW: [SLUG] penguin recognition

2005-06-02 Thread TongMaster
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 07:57 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Do you get to put any accompanying notes with the image for the awards?"

> Unfortunately not, so if Mr.. judge don't get it in 3 seconds it's gone to
> the bin.
> By what I've got so far is that I can't really use it as no one outside
> the IT room knows little tux...

Sounds like an image worth creating though.

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Journalist: "Will the number of pages in the Tax Act be reduced by the
introduction of a GST?" John Howard: "Yes it will". 
--John Howard (interview Alan Jones Radio 2UE, 14 August 1998) 

The Truth: ". . . the Tax Act has grown from 3,000 to over 9,000 pages
and an additional 2.5 million words have been inserted into the Tax Act,
since 1 July 2000." 
--National Tax & Accountants' Association, 15 August 2002
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