Re: [SLUG] Is Linux for losers?

[Mark Chandler]

This is a real "horses for courses" argument.
There's no point in de Raadt bagging out Linux for its differences to 
OpenBSD. When the 2.6 kernel was close to release and there was a lot of 
discussion about the new scheduler and how close to optimum it was, it 
was compared with other operating systems, including OpenBSD. OpenBSD 
performed abysmally.


Quite rightly, someone (can't remember if it was de Raadt) defended 
OpenBSD's performance by pointing out that its focus is security. But 
it's funny that he completely ignores this concept of project focus when 
asked about Linux.


Torvalds, AFAIK, has always maintained an attitude of "good enough" when 
it comes to kernel development. Considering that the kernel and 
Linux-based OSes are having to play catchup to Windows a lot of the 
time, there aren't the resources available to maintain everything to 
100% perfection.


Maybe, when vendors are more on board with collaborating on Linux and 
the time is available to clean-up code, then we can see GNU/Linux 
operatings systems getting closer to the standards that de Raadt is 
talking about.


Right now, I'm happy to make that sacrifice in code quality in order to 
have a decent OS that's more ethically sound.


Carlo Sogono wrote:

Interesting article here.
 
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
 
Your thoughts?
 
Carlo
 
PS. I'm not an OpenBSD guy.
 
 
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[SLUG] SLUG June Monthly Meeting - Friday, June 24

[Chris Deigan]

When:
Friday, June 24, 6:30pm - 9:30pm
Where:
UTS Broadway

SLUG's monthly meeting featuring talks and SLUG-Chat. Meetings are open
to the general public, and free of charge.

Main room: Building 2, Level 4, Room 410
SLUG-Chat room: TBA - probably also building 2 (UTS busy due to exams)

General Talk: Various speakers give an outline of their distribution in
the light of how the package manager works including how to create
packages, how packages get distributed and what it is like to
administer. 

Special Interest Talk: Nick Urbanik -- Setting up an OpenLDAP
environment using Linux.

A case study of how we used OpenLDAP at the Hong Kong Institute of
Vocational Education (Tsing Yi) in the Dept of ICT to authenticate our
students' lab machines running Linux, and so students could access their
home directories from Windows by Samba.

As usual, SLUG-Chat (formerly SLUGlets) will be running in another room
during the 2nd half of the meeting for those who do not wish to attend
the 2nd talk.

6:30pm: Doors Open
6:45pm: The Usual Suspects
Q&A - Introduction to SLUG + "What has Linux done for/to me
lately?" + SLUG News & Discussion
7:00pm (approx): General Talk
Distribution and Package Manager Roundup
8:00pm (approx): Break
Refreshments in the foyer, for a small covering charge.
8:20pm (approx): Split into two groups for:
  * Special Interest: Setting up an OpenLDAP environment
using Linux
  * SLUG-Chat: quick talks and discussion of Linux and Free
Software.
9:30pm (approx) Dinner
Dinner at Spice Boys (Indian), $20 per head.

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Execution via email ?

[Angus Lees]

At Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:23:03 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> For security, you can GPG-sign command messages, and then the script can
> just verify the signature before executing anything.

~% apt-cache show grunt
Package: grunt
Priority: optional
Section: utils
Installed-Size: 36
Maintainer: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: all
Version: 0.5.0-4
Depends: python (>= 2.3), python-gnupginterface
Suggests: uucp, procmail | mailfilter
Filename: pool/main/g/grunt/grunt_0.5.0-4_all.deb
Size: 8784
MD5sum: a7383a25df3d75ec7f1eb065651c8323
Description: Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG
 GRUNT is a tool to let you execute commands remotely, offline.
 It will also let you copy files to a remote machine.
 .
 To do that, it will use GPG to digitally sign data that you send
 to your account on a remote machine.  If the signature is valid
 and authorized, the remote will carry out the requested action or
 save the included file.  Thus, it is similar to ssh, but for offline
 use.
 .
 Commands run remotely can have their stdin supplied, and when executed,
 the stdin will be sent to them -- just like uucp can.


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[SLUG] Fedora package dependencies nightmare

[ocha8888]

Dear Slugger

Hi i just get a fresh install Fedora Core 4 (Yay finished at last --> thx to 
all slugger for the help) now another trouble :( i want to install gnome that 
depends on libfam >>> nnooo cannot found the packages is there any way in 
fedora that can have auto install dependency or at least tell me where the 
package is or the files resides in :)

many thanks in advance
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Re: [SLUG] Looking for lazy way out

[Gavin Carr]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:56:13PM +1000, Gavin Carr wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:33:53PM +1000, Simon wrote:
> > I have uploaded a web based  CD to our Moodle setup, but all the links
> > are broken. In true sloppy MS style most of the filenames are in
> > uppercase whereas the html files refer to them in lower case. The
> > underlying webserver is Apache, (thought mod-speling might help from
> > some reading but it is already installed). I am looking for the lazy way
> > out of going through and editing all the links in the html files or
> > renaming all the disc files, is there a solution? NB there are hundreds
> > of files and corresponding links :-(
> 
> Since laziness is one of the cardinal virtues of the perl-hacker, try:
> 
>   perl -MFile::Find -e 'find sub { rename $_, lc $_ if -f $_ && $_ =~ 
> m/\.html?$/i }, "."'
> 
> from the top of your cd directory tree. This will lowercase all file names 
> ending in .htm, .html, .HTML, .HTM, etc., so be careful that's exactly 
> what you want!

BTW, if you're familiar with find(1), you can do the same thing with that:

  find . -type f -iregex '\..*html?$' -print

to check the file list, and then:

  find . -type f -iregex '\..*html?$' -print0 | perl -n -0 -e 'rename $_, lc $_'

to do the renames. Note those '0's are zeros, not letter 'O's.

Cheers,
Gavin

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[SLUG] Looking for lazy way out

[Simon]

HI all,
I have uploaded a web based  CD to our Moodle setup, but all the links
are broken. In true sloppy MS style most of the filenames are in
uppercase whereas the html files refer to them in lower case. The
underlying webserver is Apache, (thought mod-speling might help from
some reading but it is already installed). I am looking for the lazy way
out of going through and editing all the links in the html files or
renaming all the disc files, is there a solution? NB there are hundreds
of files and corresponding links :-(


OLMC
Simon Bryan
IT Manager
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North Parramatta
tel: 96833300
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mobile: 0414238002


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Re: [SLUG] Looking for lazy way out

[Michael Fox]

On 6/23/05, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HI all,
> I have uploaded a web based  CD to our Moodle setup, but all the links
> are broken. In true sloppy MS style most of the filenames are in
> uppercase whereas the html files refer to them in lower case. The
> underlying webserver is Apache, (thought mod-speling might help from
> some reading but it is already installed). I am looking for the lazy way
> out of going through and editing all the links in the html files or
> renaming all the disc files, is there a solution? NB there are hundreds
> of files and corresponding links :-(

Another email? Is your SMTP server broken? As this is the 2nd time
this has come through

Hehe
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[SLUG] FC4 Install Problem

[Lyle Chapman]

Has anyone installed FC4 using multiple SCSI or SATA drives? I have 
three drives one is SCSI and the other 2 SATA.


1. SCSI is WinXP
2. SATA 1 is boot
3. SATA 2 is /

I find that when trying to upgrade FC4 it will only look at the SCSI 
drive as the only disk it can upgrade and then error out claiming it 
cannot find a swap partition. It does not allow me to choose any other 
disk. And I really do not want to have to open the case and start 
unplugging drives (I know that sounds lazy but in reality the case 
weighs a ton and is in a really awkward position.


Has anyone got any suggestions, it's not imperative that it gets 
installed it's more an annoying bug than anything else.


Cheers.

Lyle Chapman

Prepress Supervisor
Torch Publishing Company
47 Allingham Street, Condell Park, NSW, 2200
Ph: 612 9795 
Fax: 612 9795 0096

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[SLUG] IP Aliasing

[Carlo Sogono]

I've read from a 
long time ago (during the time of Linux 2.2.x) that the practice of IP aliasing 
is not recommended for commercial use. Our network has a Linux box hosting 2 
public IPs and does various routing tasks. It has 4 network cards already, 
connecting different subnets of the office and another Linux router where our 
hosted client servers are. I have configured this new firewall from scratch to 
replace the old dodgy FC1 firewall of an ex-employee. Are there any gotchas 
to using IP aliasing (eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1, ...) in a commercial environment? 
What is everyone else doing?
 
Our 2 IPs are used 
to host various smtp, http and https services. It should be possible to run 
different http/https services on different ports and have linux forward them but 
the management doesn't want their clients to be typing port numbers in 
URLs.
 
Carlo
 
 
 
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[SLUG] libfame for FC4

[lesliek]

To the person who had the problem re libfam:

Here are some links to what I think you're looking for (but I know little about 
these things myself).

dag.wieers.com/packages/libfame/libfame-devel-0.9.1-7.2.fc4.rf.i386.rpm 
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/4/libfame/libfame-devel-0.9.1-7.2.fc4.i386.rpm
 
dag.wieers.com/packages/libfame/libfame-0.9.1-7.2.fc4.rf.i386.rpm 
ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/4/libfame/libfame-0.9.1-7.2.fc4.i386.rpm
 
rpm.livna.org/fedora/4/x86_64/RPMS.lvn/libfame-0.9.1-0.lvn.3.4.x86_64.rpm 
rpm.livna.org/fedora/4/i386/RPMS.lvn/libfame-0.9.1-0.lvn.3.4.i686.rpm 
gstreamer.freedesktop.org/pkg/fedora/4/i386/RPMS.deps/libfame-0.9.1-0.lvn.3.4.i686.rpm
 
rpm.livna.org/fedora/4/i386/RPMS.lvn/libfame-0.9.1-0.lvn.3.4.i386.rpm 
gstreamer.freedesktop.org/pkg/fedora/4/i386/RPMS.deps/libfame-0.9.1-0.lvn.3.4.i386.rpm
 


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[SLUG] Spell Checker

[Andrew]

Hi All,
SLES 9 (Intel 32bit)

I am unable to locate a spell checker to use through a telnet session.
I have tried looking for - ispell, aspell, look, and dict with no luck.

I have used Yast to search for these and only found 'words'...

Other groups have provided downloadable locations but I end up finding
languages other than english.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am new to Linux but have experience in Unix.

Regards,
Andrew.






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[SLUG] debian disks at fri syd meet?

[josh]

howdy,

 i've been bad and lost touch with linux a bit.. my last install was
fedora2 (yuck). i'm thinking of coming along to the sydney meet
tomorrow night and am hoping someone might have the latest debian
release.. dvd or cd. i can pay (cash preferred over services
rendered.. my back is killing me:)

cheers,

josh
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Re: [SLUG] debian disks at fri syd meet?

[Matt Palmer]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 02:30:03PM +1000, josh wrote:
>  i've been bad and lost touch with linux a bit.. my last install was
> fedora2 (yuck). i'm thinking of coming along to the sydney meet
> tomorrow night and am hoping someone might have the latest debian
> release.. dvd or cd. i can pay (cash preferred over services
> rendered.. my back is killing me:)

I'll have a few Ubuntu hoary CDs (as, I'm sure, will many many other
people).  No Sarge CDs yet -- just a *few* too many of them to download and
cook.  Everything Linux (http://www.elx.com.au) are going to be selling the
complete pressed set fairly shortly, though.

- Matt


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[SLUG] Multiple IPs on Ubuntu/Debian (was: IP Aliasing)

[Carlo Sogono]

I've partially answered my own questions but I have new ones. After
reading up on the topic I discovered that IP aliasing has been
deprecated together with ifconfig, and the preferred way for controlling
interfaces and routes is using iproute/iproute2. Apologies to those who
think this is newbie stuff--I feel I'm still living in the ipfwadm and
ipchains era. Iproute allows multiple addresses on one device without
using the old eth0:n (aliasing) way of assigning things. Unfortunately
it seems that /etc/network/interfaces does not allow multiple addresses
without using aliasing. Does anyone know how to assign multiple IP
addresses on Debian/Ubuntu using /etc/network/interfaces without
aliasing?

Thanks.

Carlo


 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Carlo Sogono
Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:33 AM
To: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: [SLUG] IP Aliasing


I've read from a long time ago (during the time of Linux 2.2.x)
that the practice of IP aliasing is not recommended for commercial use.
Our network has a Linux box hosting 2 public IPs and does various
routing tasks. It has 4 network cards already, connecting different
subnets of the office and another Linux router where our hosted client
servers are. I have configured this new firewall from scratch to replace
the old dodgy FC1 firewall of an ex-employee. Are there any gotchas to
using IP aliasing (eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1, ...) in a commercial
environment? What is everyone else doing?
 
Our 2 IPs are used to host various smtp, http and https
services. It should be possible to run different http/https services on
different ports and have linux forward them but the management doesn't
want their clients to be typing port numbers in URLs.
 
Carlo
 
 
 
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