Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 11:09:34PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 9 Oct, To: Sydney Linux Users Group wrote: > > I'll persevere with lilo, therefore, but may end up having to > > experiment with grub. > > Lilo wasn't up to the task - best I could get was to see "Loading > Fedora .." and then a hang. I guess it needs > bios support to see the larger drive. > > I tried grub, but forgot to copy the grub files onto the boot partition. > Naturally, good ol' dumb o' grub didn't report this catastrophic error, > it just went ahead. Now I have a system that says: > Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK > and then hangs. > > Grub really suffers from the old Unix "who cares about usability? / as > long as users make no mistakes it all works brilliantly" syndrome. > > Anyway, tomorrow I'll rescue again, make a grub directory on the boot > partition, copy the grub files from fedora across, and try again. > > Sigh. > > God I hate grub. > > > Oh - I forgot to ask. I'm assuming that unlike lilo, grub *doesn't* > need the BIOS to be able to read data from the drives. Is that true? > Waa waa waa. People would be more likely to be willing to lend assistance to you, if it wasn't for all the bitching and complaining about supposed problems in a tool you have used for the first time, and have made some errors in the configuration of. Everyone makes mistakes, especially if it's the first time they've used something. Looking at ways to resolve the problem is much more likely to reap positive results than bashing the tool. Lilo and Grub each have their own pluses and minuses, so while it may take a bit of getting used to Grub's syntax, it tends to be a bit better at actually making operating systems, especially non-standard ones, boot. Grub also has a nice console that you can try syntax on at boot time. You are correct in saying that Grub does not require the BIOS to read drives, well, at least in the way I think you mean it. Also, what is so hard with the Debian text installer? I'm not sure which screen it is you're having a biff with, but I have a feeling that it's not a very critical screen in any case. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
On Monday 10 October 2005 09:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 9 Oct, To: Sydney Linux Users Group wrote: > > I'll persevere with lilo, therefore, but may end up having to > > experiment with grub. > > Lilo wasn't up to the task - best I could get was to see "Loading > Fedora .." and then a hang. I guess it needs > bios support to see the larger drive. > > I tried grub, but forgot to copy the grub files onto the boot partition. > Naturally, good ol' dumb o' grub didn't report this catastrophic error, > it just went ahead. Now I have a system that says: > Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK > and then hangs. > > Grub really suffers from the old Unix "who cares about usability? / as > long as users make no mistakes it all works brilliantly" syndrome. > > Anyway, tomorrow I'll rescue again, make a grub directory on the boot > partition, copy the grub files from fedora across, and try again. Sounds like baby duck syndrome. Across the years lilo has bitten me lots and grub never! EG using lilo you copy a new kernel, forget to run lilo, and try to boot seems like a much easier mistake than forgetting to install grub properly. EG you've screwed up your grub config, end of world ? No just edit it and make it right and then try to boot again. All you need to do is install it correctly once ever! IMHO James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Event: Reclaiming the Commons
Our very own Sara Kaan and Pia Waugh are speaking at the below forum tomorrow night, I thought this may be of interest to a number of SLUG-gers: Globalisation, Technology & Open Source 6.15pm Tuesday 11th October @ Quakers Meeting Hall 119 Devonshire St, Surry Hills (Just up from Central Station) Speakers include * PIA WAUGH (Linux Australia) * SARA KAAN (open source advocate) * MAY MILLER-DAWKINS (Commons Institute) The propaganda for neo-liberal globalisation paints a picture of the rapid spread of new technologies for the betterment of all. Yet the reality is a world dominated by a handful of powerful corporations who can bend governments to their will and use the WTO system to their advantage. This forum will discuss free trade, intellectual property and government complicity in corporate control before outlining the alternatives, both in the democratisation of technology and the rise of the creative commons movement. Come along and join the discussion. * For more information contact Tad 0408 690 215 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] * What we’re about... Another World is Possible! In the past few years there have been big protests against the mistreatment of refugees and indigenous people, against the corporatisation of daily life and the drive to war. The Sydney Greens Forums project is focused on the new left that is emerging from these movements. We want to bring people together to discuss ideas and debate the way forward. We want to go beyond just opposing, and articulate new agendas for change in the struggle for another world. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Forcing Permissions NFS
Hi Is it possible to force permissions on an NFS exported filesystem? I have a situation where I need to force the group to have write permission on any newly created files/directories in that filesystem. I thought this came up on slug before but can't seem to find it, nor does google provide the answer. Well actually, googles answer seems to be no it isn't possible. Any hints/search-phrases appreciated. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Second AUUG 2005 conference update - Bryan Cantrill
Please see the appended update it's now just over a week till AUUG2005 rolls into Sydney :) Cheers Gordon. This is the second in a series of previews of AUUG 2005 - The Conference for Unix, Linux and Open Source Professionals. This week we are highlighting guest speaker Bryan Cantrill. Bryan is a Senior Staff Engineer in the Solaris Kernel Development Group at Sun Microsystems. His interests include dynamic software instrumentation, postmortem diagnosability, real-time kernel implementation and microprocessor architecture. Over his career Bryan has done work in many kernel subsystems. Most recently, he was part of the team that designed and implemented DTrace, a facility for systemic dynamic instrumentation of Solaris The DTrace team won the Sun 2004 Chairman's Award for Innovation, the InfoWorld 2005 Innovators Award, and the high praise of SysAdmin magazine, which hailed DTrace as a brilliant piece of work. Bryan will be presenting a plenary session on OpenSolaris and DTrace. He will also be presenting a half-day tutorial on Solaris 10 Dynamic tracing (DTrace) and Containers (which allow you to virtualise your Solaris OS) For more details on AUUG 2005 visit http://www.auug.org.au Please note that the conference will have a wireless and wired network available for attendees. I look forward to seeing you at AUUG 2005! -- Steve Landers, Vice President AUUG - The Organisation for Unix, Linux and Open Source Professionals Ph: +61 2 8824 9511; Fax: +61 2 8824 9522; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] slow default route and website
At Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:58:41 +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: > just for the slug archives i found the problem here. > in the apache config file with older versions of apache, for the > virtual servers I would have per directory options of > allow from all > deny from none > however the "deny from none" in apache 2.x seems to cause an exactly > 15 second delay for every different part of the page. > don't know why this is happening though... Afaik, there is no such thing as "deny from none". Your 15 second delay is apache trying to resolve the hostname "none" so that it can deny accesses from it.. This will allow access to everyone: Order deny,allow Allow from all See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_access.html -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps
At Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:46:46 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > I've never tried Xemacs - are there any traps for young players when > installing both? Not really. Default values for some options are different between the two, as are some elisp package versions and unusual keybindings (M-g is one that springs to mind). The way you enable/disable some features (like global font-locking) is a little different, so a complex .emacs probably won't work without modification. Faces (fonts, etc) have a totally different implementation, which is mostly hidden by the elisp functions. XEmacs defaults to using "zmacs" regions, where the region is only "active" until the next command then it goes away (C-x C-x will get it back though). The XEmacs `vc-mode' is a fork of a much older version and can't have new version control tools (like svn or tla) added in at run time. XEmacs comes with gnuserv/gnuclient so you can attach to running xemacs instances. I believe this is only available as an addon to GNU emacs, so it may change the way you use (x)emacs a bit. Apparently GNU emacs doesn't have the ability to know when one of its buffers is obscured - the XEmacs `pop-to-buffer' is significantly better, which has a subtle affect all over emacs. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] problem encontrado em mensagem enviada "Enlouquecendo as mulheres 12"
Atencao: slug@slug.org.au Um problem foi encontrado numa mensagem de Email que acabou de ser enviada por voce. Este scanner de Email a interceptou e impediu a mensagem de chegar no seu destino. O problem foi reportado como sendo: Disallowed breakage found in header name - potential virus Por favor contate o suporte do seu provedor com quaisquer duvidas sobre esta politica. Sua mensagem foi enviada com o seguinte envelope: REMETENTE:slug@slug.org.au DESTINATARIO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... e com o seguinte cabecalho: --- MAILFROM: slug@slug.org.au Received: from unknown (HELO cpe-66-68-209-113.rgv.res.rr.com) (66.68.209.113) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 21:49:24 - X-Message-chateau: ph9 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Edmagna Nivia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enlouquecendo as mulheres 12 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:44:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_NextPart_000_0001_02C64BE0.B49D472B" X-Message-tavern: XA9 X-Message-unwieldy: SK1 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --- A mensagem original foi armazenada em: mx2.irapida.com.br:/usr/local/qmailscan/quarantine/new/mx2.irapida.com.br112889456551169237 onde o MX2 pode efetuar maiores diagnosticos nela. O scanner de Email reportou o seguinte enquanto varria a mensagem: --- ---perlscanner results --- problem 'Disallowed breakage found in header name - potential virus' found in message --- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
On 9 Oct, To: Sydney Linux Users Group wrote: > I'll persevere with lilo, therefore, but may end up having to > experiment with grub. Lilo wasn't up to the task - best I could get was to see "Loading Fedora .." and then a hang. I guess it needs bios support to see the larger drive. I tried grub, but forgot to copy the grub files onto the boot partition. Naturally, good ol' dumb o' grub didn't report this catastrophic error, it just went ahead. Now I have a system that says: Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK and then hangs. Grub really suffers from the old Unix "who cares about usability? / as long as users make no mistakes it all works brilliantly" syndrome. Anyway, tomorrow I'll rescue again, make a grub directory on the boot partition, copy the grub files from fedora across, and try again. Sigh. God I hate grub. Oh - I forgot to ask. I'm assuming that unlike lilo, grub *doesn't* need the BIOS to be able to read data from the drives. Is that true? luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Reclaiming the commons - Sydney seminar and discussion
Hi all, Just a last reminder about the presentation to the Greens about Open Source on Tuesday night. The organiser has dolled up the content somewhat, but it should prove interesting at any rate, and getting more people to understand the opportunities is always good :) I hope to see some of you there to put in your 2c worth :) Cheers, Pia A Sydney Greens Forum RECLAIMING THE COMMONS Globalisation, Technology & Open Source 6.15pm Tuesday 11th October @ Quakers Meeting Hall 119 Devonshire St, Surry Hills (Just up from Central Station) Speakers include * PIA WAUGH (Linux Australia) * SARA KAAN (open source advocate) * MAY MILLER-DAWKINS (Commons Institute) The propaganda for neo-liberal globalisation paints a picture of the rapid spread of new technologies for the betterment of all. Yet the reality is a world dominated by a handful of powerful corporations who can bend governments to their will and use the WTO system to their advantage. This forum will discuss free trade, intellectual property and government complicity in corporate control before outlining the alternatives, both in the democratisation of technology and the rise of the creative commons movement. Come along and join the discussion. * For more information contact Tad 0408 690 215 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] * What we¹re about... Another World is Possible! In the past few years there have been big protests against the mistreatment of refugees and indigenous people, against the corporatisation of daily life and the drive to war. The Sydney Greens Forums project is focused on the new left that is emerging from these movements. We want to bring people together to discuss ideas and debate the way forward. We want to go beyond just opposing, and articulate new agendas for change in the struggle for another world. -- Cheers, Pia -- Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ "What are we doing today brain?" "We're taking over the world like we always do." - Pinky and the Brain -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
On 9 Oct, Ken Caldwell wrote: > > I wasn't going to use Grub since I don't know of a way to check that a > > grub config is correct, except to reboot to see what happens. SO I > > can't say I'm surprised. While lilo is less powerful than grub, it > > seems much safer. You always know where you stand. > The following URL may suggest ways that you could use GRUB > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm > I could not make any detailed suggestion before trying it out myself but > I think you could start by trying a GRUB boot floppy and then installing > it to the HDD later. Thanks, Ken. It's disappointing to see that I appear to be right about the only way to test a grub configuration is to reboot, and the if there's a problem see if you can somehow manually prod things back into action. I'll persevere with lilo, therefore, but may end up having to experiment with grub. luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Ibdriver for iBurst modem
> localhost kernel ib_pcmcia: Unknown symbol ib_net_deregister > localhost kernel ib_pcmcia: Unknown symbol ib_net_register > localhost kernel ib_pcmcia: Unknown symbol ib_net_fill > localhost kernel ib_pcmcia: Unknown symbol ib_net_parse > Any suggestions? Hi Mark, Did the depmod command (in the Makefile) succeed? grep ib- /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep should match some lines. > At the moment I can only access the internet using another OS, and it is > driving me mad! You repeat yourself ;-) Kind regards, Nicholas -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps
Peter Chubb wrote: > > Aren't there any emacs users on this list? my top ten are: > > Xemacs (mail reading/writing) > Xemacs (web browsing) > Xemacs (compiling, with make, distcc and ccache underneath) > Xemacs (remote editing, with tramp) > Xemacs (teminal window for other command line apps) > Xemacs (games!) > Xemacs (picture previewing) > Xemacs (session multiplexing) I think emacs is a wonderful OS even if I don't use it myself. My only complaint is that it doesn't have a decent text editor :-). Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ "life is too long to be an expert at harmful things, including such evilness as C++ and perl." -- Erik Naggum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
