Re: [SLUG] BSD SOckets
Bruce Badger wrote: Where is the specification of BSD sockets definitively expressed? BSD sockets I'm not. On the other hand, the socket API is defined within the POSIX 1003.1 specification, which Linux implements. What standards body is responsible for the specification? In the case of POSIX 1003.1 it is the IEEE that defines and owns it. regards Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: test VtAGGRzA
Hi, C / A L / S L E V / T R A A M B / E N M E R / D / A S O M ^ V A L / U M X ^ N A X V / A G R A P R O Z ^ C http://www.kuenyolinsions.com good fortune to all his folk that dwell here after! Upon his tomb the Elvenking then laid Orcrist, the elvish sword that had been taken from Thorin in captivity. It is said in songs that it gleamed ever in the dark if foes approached, and the fortress of the dwarves could not be taken by surprise. There now Dain son of Nain took up his abode, and he became King under the Mountain, and in time many other dwarves gathered -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] BSD SOckets
Terry Dawson wrote: BSD sockets I'm not. On the other hand, the socket API is defined within the POSIX 1003.1 specification, which Linux implements. For the confused, what I meant to say was BSD Sockets I'm not sure about. To be BSD Socket, or not to be .. that is the question! Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ladies Meet Up
Just visited the SLUG Website - Ladies Meet Up - What a great idea! Congratulations to those organising this event...wonder if i will have much luck getting my wife getting there?Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Security with win firewall
Hi WJ, If your friend insists on using Windows as her gateway, I'd suggest she add another firewall; something like ZoneAlarm's free firewall should do: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp It'll certainly enhance her protection. From what I've read it has quite a good reputation. (no paid-for-comment here :)) Regards, Patrick [SLUG] Security with win firewall From: WJ Bundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:42:54 +1000 I've installed ubuntu breezy for a friend on her second computer. She prefers to use her first machine, with win xp, as the gateway. The gateway machine has an internal winmodem which proved difficult to configure with linux as the OS. She plans to use the windows ICF (internal connection firewall) and ICS (internal connection sharing) features on the existing win firewall. Can this gateway provide adequate security to a reasonable level if she installs additional machines on her network? Any guidelines for achieving this? -- Registered Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] respect of all
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[SLUG] Tyrrany of KDE Wallet
Having now adopted Suse 10 as my everyday distro I find KDE Wallet is rejecting my password and refuses access to configure my printers. Somehow I have stuffed it up since I use the same password for everything other than internet communications. Open Office prints nicely but things such as Help instructions or internet pages will not. Is there someway I can get free of the tyrrany of Wallet and delete the thing altogether? I am just running a home desktop and do not need the security it offers. Failing that, if I reinstall Suse can I tell the KDE window that invites me to use its services to push off and stop annoying me? John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] pathologica 459
Hi, V A L / U M S O M ^ L E V / T R A X ^ N A X M E R / D / A P R O Z ^ C C / A L / S A M B / E N V / A G R A http://www.kunipoiyuers.com pasture. Just now he was enjoying the sport of town-baiting more than he had enjoyed anything for years. But there was still a company of archers that held their ground among the burning houses. Their captain was Bard, grim-voiced and grim-faced, whose friends had accused him of prophesying floods and poisoned fish, though they knew his worth and courage. He was a descendant in long line of Girion, Lord of Dale, whose wife and child -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] BSD SOckets
On 23 May 2006, Bruce Badger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chaps, Where is the specification of BSD sockets definitively expressed? What standards body is responsible for the specification? I read that BSD Sockets are a de facto standard (e.g. in RFC 2553), so the answers may be nowhere and nobody respectively ... but I'm hoping there is a body somewhere that owns the spec. There is an Open Group standard that specifies it (POSIX 1003.1). But is this *the definitive standard*? What does that even mean? http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/listen.html -- Martin Pool -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] kedgere 989
Hi, C / A L / S P R O Z ^ C S O M ^ V / A G R A X ^ N A X A M B / E N V A L / U M M E R / D / A L E V / T R A http://www.honimelixuns.com say Expert Treasure-hunter instead of Burglar if you like. Some of them do. Its all the same to us. Gandalf told us that there was a man of the sort in these parts looking for a Job at once, and that he had arranged for a meeting here this Wednesday tea-time.Of course there is a mark, said Gandalf. I put it there myself. For very good reasons. You asked me to find the fourteenth man for your -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?
On 5/23/06, Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, a Python Meetup was being organised by Alan Green throughout 2005 partly as a replacement for the Python SIG. You may wish to coordinate with that group to see if it's still running. I agree, fragmenting people is not a good idea. I'll take a look into it, thanks. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ladies Meet Up
Hi Trent, quote who=T Murray Just visited the SLUG Website - Ladies Meet Up - What a great idea! Congratulations to those organising this event...wonder if i will have much luck getting my wife getting there? Hopefully she can some. Tell her we have a great and diverse group turning up of all ages, and we'd love to meet her :) Ditto for any other technical ladies out there that people know. Should be fun :) Cheers, Pia -- Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SLUG meeting announcements
Hi all, I've noticed that the SLUG meeting announcements and such have been going out pretty late, and I wanted to make a small suggestion. If someone on the SLUG ctte (or someone the SLUG ctte delegated to) organised the next meeting in the following weekend of the previous SLUG meeting, and posted the details immediately, it gives everyone a good four weeks notice for each meeting and what is going on. There are heaps of people willing to give talks, and it would look good for newcomers to the SLUG site to see what events are happening well in advance. Also, SLUG ctte, can you please update the website to show what is happening this Friday. For everyone else's information, I'm going to run a community panel showing a variety of peoples different ideas about community, what it means to them, how to participate in the community and some tips on community etiquette for newcomers to get the most of their community experience. Looking forward to it, see you all Friday! :) Cheers, Pia -- Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Is kneeling a criteria for talking to you? - Philip Lindsay to Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Encouraging New Membership
Hey all, quote who=Terry Dawson heh, if you're going to do nametags then everyone should be encouraged to wear nametags, not just the newbies. Otherwise the name-tags alone can make you feel uncomfortable and 'marked'. Let's leave name tags to the few extroverts happy to be welcomers. That way if new people come and want to just be part of the crowd they can :) Everyone wearing name-tags, while perhaps seeming a bit daggy, could actually be a cool thing. You could, for example, have a scheme where other people could endorse a persons nametag for exceptional behaviour. You know, Gold Stars for being helpful or something. Maybe you could endorse your nametag with things that you're prepared to talk about, help with or that you are knowledgable about. This might provide a means of readily identifying who the helpful people are, and perhaps encouraging people to put in the little bit of extra effort to help people. We often end up identifying people by email participation :) Which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but encouraging people to post to the mailing list and tracking participation that way is a good thing. Cheers, Pia -- Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Man is born free, yet he is everywhere in chains. - Jean Jacques Rosseau -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting announcements
Pia Waugh: I've noticed that the SLUG meeting announcements and such have been going out pretty late Also, it seems that the announce - slug alias isn't back in place, so those who don't want to bother with subscribing to announce won't get them. - ii -- Penguinillas Pack GNUzis -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
OT Re: [SLUG] Ladies Meet Up
Pia Waugh wrote: Ditto for any other technical ladies out there that people know. Should be fun :) Sometimes you see a combination of words that jumps out at you because you have never seen it before or its a rare word combination; like technical ladies above. So I typed it into google to see what I found. This site is well worth a read: http://gero-teufert.de/square/callers/english/zeros.html It's all about square dancing but you will notice that there is quite a few mathematics concepts involved and their own 'programming language' for describing dance movements. Here are some excerpts: This is a Zeros Box (FASR:[B1c]), with the heads in the center. Everybody is facing their corners. Girls and boys are IN sequence, i.e. both are in the same sequence state. Everybody is ready for an Allemande Left. Let's apply a conditional Zero: pass thru outfacers cloverleaf centers square thru 4 and Examples for boxes include: * 8 chain 4 (rotates 1/2) * swing thru, boys run, bend the line, pass thru, wheel and deal, pass thru (rotates 1/4 left) * veer left, couples circulate, bend the line, pass thru, wheel and deal, square thru 3 (rotates 1/4 right) So there you are. The 'technical ladies' term has led us to programming language examples for square dancing. What a wonderful world :-) Mike -- Michael Lake Science Faculty, UTS -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: OSDC (Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)
As the main person who organises and runs the Open Source Developers' Club in Melbourne, I'm very happy to lend you my full support in getting something like this off the ground. It may even be possible to provide hosting under the http://www.osdc.com.au/ domain if that would be of interest ( I don't run the server though, so we'd have to check first ). OSDClub meetings run every two months in Melbourne, being hosted alternately by Melbourne PHP Users Group and Melbourne Perl Mongers instead of their regular monthly meeting (this means that each group is only inconvenienced 3 times each year). We invite attendance from LUV and LUV's programmer SIG, from the Perl, PHP and Python mailing lists, and also from from related parties such as Melbourne LinuxChix, SAGE-Vic the MySQL meetup, OSIA and past OSD-Conference attendees. Of course, we also invite attendees to bring along others too. We've had no shortage of talks to suit such a wide set of interests. You can see our previous topics at: http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/ Some of you have probably even seen some of these presented in Sydney. Of course it helps to know that we always have a location in which to hold such meetings, and that may be your biggest challenge. A few months ago Stennie, from Sydney Perl Mongers, collected a list of various technology user groups in Sydney. This list can be found here: http://perl.net.au/wiki/Sydney If any that you know about are missing, please feel free to add them. I hope that this list will be of help when you start inviting people to your first meeting. In fact, you may even find that one or more of these groups are willing to provide hosting for the meeting in the same way that we do in Melbourne. All the best, Jacinta -- (`-''-/).___..--''`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia| (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001| _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting announcements
On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 12:19 +1000, invisible ink wrote: Pia Waugh: I've noticed that the SLUG meeting announcements and such have been going out pretty late Also, it seems that the announce - slug alias isn't back in place, so those who don't want to bother with subscribing to announce won't get them. It's there: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/postfix$ grep announce * aliases.slug:announce: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post announce, |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post slug That sends a message to the slug list with a To: address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailman treats it as a suspect blind CC and holds it for moderation. I think it's best that announce messages are moderated to both lists, so just rewriting the To header before passing it to mailman isn't a hot idea. Counselling announce moderators to also clear the slug queue when they approve announcements is every bit as prone to forgetfulness as just asking people to send announcements to both addresses. As manky as it sounds, perhaps slug@ should be subscribed to the announce list instead? -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Encouraging New Membership
Pia Waugh wrote: Let's leave name tags to the few extroverts happy to be welcomers. That way if new people come and want to just be part of the crowd they can :) heh, you're right of course, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek :) The name-tag thing is all a bit north american for my taste. Participants in a volunteer community will ultimately be themselves no matter what else they're asked to do. The point I was really trying to make was that attempting name-tags for newcomers is likely in many cases to just alienate them. Which is precisely the opposite of what is intended : Hi, I'm new here, patronise me!. Ultimately they just want to be treated with some respect as individuals, to feel that they're welcome as members of a thriving dynamic community and some understanding that they're probably a bit confused and lost while working out who is who and what is happening around them. I mean really, can you imagine how bizarre it would be to have people sticking gold stars on your badge every time you did something useful? It'd be like kindergarten :) Everyone wearing name-tags, while perhaps seeming a bit daggy, could actually be a cool thing. You could, for example, have a scheme where other people could endorse a persons nametag for exceptional behaviour. You know, Gold Stars for being helpful or something. Maybe you could endorse your Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Encouraging New Membership
quote who=Terry Dawson I mean really, can you imagine how bizarre it would be to have people sticking gold stars on your badge every time you did something useful? It'd be like kindergarten :) Well, Terry, you've been coming to SLUG for a while now, but I'm not seeing your flair... Fifteen is the minimum. Now it's up to you whether or not you just want to do the bare minimum. Or like Jaq for example, has thirty-seven pieces of flair on today, okay, and a terrific smile. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spainhttp://2006.guadec.org/ So between a jazz musician, a murderer, and a congressperson, all called 'Dave Camp', I have a lot of pressure to be evil. - GNOME's Dave Camp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] kernel_ulong_t
I'm trying to compile wxWidgets 2.6.3 for Thinstation 2.2-current, and find the compilation dies at | In file included from /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:33, | from ./src/unix/joystick.cpp:25: | /usr/include/linux/input.h:801: error: `kernel_ulong_t' does not name a type In the TS build environment, /usr/include/linux is a symlink to /source/kernel-2.6.16.5/linux-2.6.16.5/include/linux. It looks to me like this particular error has to do with laying out data structures to pass over ioctl. I'm sure some of you have already seen this before, and am hoping there's a quick fix available (maybe like adding a #define somewhere?). -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?
Jeff Waugh wrote: So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly combining it with a Ruby one? At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an Open Source Developer's Club [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts? Sounds pretty neat to me. I'm language neutral with limited experience in most of them. I'd rather hang out with people who use different languages/tools/OS's and think differently from me than with people who use the same languages/tools/OS's as me and think the same way I do. I'm also mostly a Windows user, which is why I'm on this list. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SLUG monthly meeting, 26th May
When: Friday, May 26, 6.30pm - 9.30pm Where: UTS Broadway SLUG's monthly meeting. Meetings are open to the general public, and free of charge. Rooms for this meeting to be announced. General Talk: Panel Session - What community means to you This panel session will quiz a number of people active in FOSS communities on their different ideas about community, what it means to them, how to participate in the community and some tips on community etiquette for newcomers to get the most of their community experience. Special Interest Talk: Ian Weinand - Cool things you can do with Itanium and Linux A quick run through of the architecture, a look at how Linux runs on it, and some of the ways Linux can take advantage of unique features. SLUGlets Informal chit-chat and human networking 6:30pm: Doors Open 6:45pm: The Usual Suspects * QA - Introduction to SLUG + What has Linux done for/to me lately? + SLUG News Discussion 7:00pm: General Talk * Panel Session: What community means to you 8:00pm: Break * Refreshments in the foyer, for a small covering charge. 8:20pm: Split into two groups for: * Special Interest: Cool things you can do with Itanium and Linux * SLUGlets: Informal human networking 9.30pm: Dinner * Sushi for dinner, $20 per head. Hope to see you all there! Lindsay -- http://slug.org.au/ http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ http://holmwood.id.au/~lindsay/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [CTTE] SLUG meeting announcements
Hi Pia, On 5/24/06, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've noticed that the SLUG meeting announcements and such have been going out pretty late, and I wanted to make a small suggestion. If someone on the SLUG ctte (or someone the SLUG ctte delegated to) organised the next meeting in the following weekend of the previous SLUG meeting, and posted the details immediately, it gives everyone a good four weeks notice for each meeting and what is going on. There are heaps of people willing to give talks, and it would look good for newcomers to the SLUG site to see what events are happening well in advance. That's generally what we do at the committee meetings, which we hold the following weekend after SLUG meetings. We delegate the responsibility of organising speakers at the committee meeting, but this month it did not get followed through until the last minute. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to post notifications of meetings much further ahead of time. Also, SLUG ctte, can you please update the website to show what is happening this Friday. For everyone else's information, I'm going to run a community panel showing a variety of peoples different ideas about community, what it means to them, how to participate in the community and some tips on community etiquette for newcomers to get the most of their community experience. Done. Lindsay -- http://slug.org.au/ http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ http://holmwood.id.au/~lindsay/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] PCI Wireless cards
Dudes, I need to buy a PCI wireless network card. I need it to work with Ubuntu (dapper) with the least amount of effort possible. Speed isn't so important, but I'll get the fastest one that meets my zero-effort criterion. What should I buy? There's this one: http://www.elx.com.au/item/bfDLI40605 But the page uses words like problematic and pioneer, which makes me wary. Is there a better option? Many thanks, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PCI Wireless cards
I've got a netgear wg511t that worked painlessly with Breezy... plugged it in and it worked. On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 14:58 +1000, James Gregory wrote: Dudes, I need to buy a PCI wireless network card. I need it to work with Ubuntu (dapper) with the least amount of effort possible. Speed isn't so important, but I'll get the fastest one that meets my zero-effort criterion. What should I buy? There's this one: http://www.elx.com.au/item/bfDLI40605 But the page uses words like problematic and pioneer, which makes me wary. Is there a better option? Many thanks, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PCI Wireless cards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Gregory wrote: I need to buy a PCI wireless network card. I need it to work with Ubuntu (dapper) with the least amount of effort possible. Speed isn't so important, but I'll get the fastest one that meets my zero-effort criterion. What should I buy? I did a bit of research yesterday and surveying of some workmates and it looks like rt2500-based cards are a goer. The Minitar MN54GPC-R seems be getting sold in Australia for around the $60 mark. http://www.minitar.com/index.php?maincat=productcat=wirelessprod=w_mn54gpc-rpage=1 A listing of other rt2500-based cards: http://ralink.rapla.net/ And the ubuntu guide on setting 'em up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/RalinkRT2500?action=showredirect=Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo - -- dave. - reality-distortion field: n. An expression used to describe the persuasive ability of managers like Steve Jobs. Those close to these managers become passionately committed to possibly insane projects, without regard to the practicality of their implementation or competitive forces in the marketplace. - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEc/CdhPPdWeHRgaoRAqDtAKD8QExPEqKbE97diBjFVgbtgh43ogCg1gRD fIXVRABjIBNrCJOm72x3hmk= =DLyt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?
On 5/24/06, Adelle Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly combining it with a Ruby one? At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an Open Source Developer's Club [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts? Sounds pretty neat to me. I'm language neutral with limited experience in most of them. I'd rather hang out with people who use different languages/tools/OS's and think differently from me than with people who use the same languages/tools/OS's as me and think the same way I do. I'm also mostly a Windows user, which is why I'm on this list. Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html While the concept of a language-independent coding group is a good one, I think the idea of a Snakes Rubies one is better. Here's why. Firstly, codefests are pretty much coder meetings. Why start up another sub-group? Fragmentation, it has been said, is bad - and there are only so many events one can make it to in a month. I think this particular task is best left to codefests, for codefests have internets and talks and general coolness. Plus, the infrastructure is already there. Python and Ruby are in many ways very similar. Their coders lend themselves to similar schools of thought, or engage in merciless bloodlust for the Other Kind. However, having a Snakes and Rubies group would bring the two groups together in a (hopefully) peaceful way, and lead to civil discussions and productive conversations. Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from coding Python or Ruby at a codefest (obviously) and likewise from turning up at an SR meet and pimping, I don't know, o'caml. Be open-minded :) Codefests for code. SR for scripting. That's what SIGs are all about. 2¢ -- - Jeremy Apthorp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
