[SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
Hey hey. Because it's been about a year since this last came up on the SLUG list, and because I have a need for something like this soon, I'd be interested to hear what people are using for groupware these days. I'd like something that can share contacts / calendars / tasks across a fairly mixed environment - evolution, thunderbird and sunbird/lightning on Windows and Linux, and Outlook 2k3. We initially considered just exporting calendars to a WebDAV share. This seems to be a workable solution, but I have my doubts about how well a .htaccess scheme to allow access would scale to an office of around 40 users. On a similar note, CalDAV or GroupDAV look like attractive solutions to drop in to an existing environment as well. But from some brief googling, it seems that Outlook support for either of these protocols are limited at best. Has anybody had any success syncing Outlook with one of these servers? I've also looked at Scalix in the best, and like what I see. My only issue with it so far is that I'd prefer to keep my existing mail infrastructure. Is it possible for it to co-exist with an existing IMAP service? -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:24 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote: I've also looked at Scalix in the best, and like what I see. My only issue with it so far is that I'd prefer to keep my existing mail infrastructure. Is it possible for it to co-exist with an existing IMAP service? Is this for you personally or for a professional office deployment? The answer for IMAP co-existence will be markedly different depending on how the deployment is going to be used. -- Craige McWhirter Managing Director McWhirter [consulting] http://mcwhirter.com.au/ - 0415958783 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Tue, 8 May 2007, Peter Hardy wrote: Hey hey. I'd like something that can share contacts / calendars / tasks across a fairly mixed environment - evolution, thunderbird and sunbird/lightning on Windows and Linux, and Outlook 2k3. We initially considered just exporting calendars to a WebDAV share. This seems to be a workable solution, but I have my doubts about how well a .htaccess scheme to allow access would scale to an office of around 40 users. On a similar note, CalDAV or GroupDAV look like attractive solutions to drop in to an existing environment as well. But from some brief googling, it seems that Outlook support for either of these protocols are limited at best. Has anybody had any success syncing Outlook with one of these servers? Have you considered using a hosted service like Google calendar? Google calendar can be synchronised with your desktop applications using GSyncDaemon which is a java application that works well with Windows and Linux. It has a Windows installer, but I have mine working with Gentoo Linux, but I had to install the app without a Gentoo package. I don't know if there are any packages for other distros. I use GooSync hosted service to sync my Google calendar with my phone using SyncML protocol. I would say Google calendar is good for small to medium size companies and I don't know if Google calendar scale well within an organisational so you may consider hosting something yourself using eGroupware or phpGroupware. It seems that eGroupware has better support and eGroupware allows you to sync calendar to mobile phones and pda through SyncML protocol. I have done preliminary research on these applications so I don't know how well they work. I've also looked at Scalix in the best, and like what I see. My only issue with it so far is that I'd prefer to keep my existing mail infrastructure. Is it possible for it to co-exist with an existing IMAP service? I'm not sure how phpGroupware or eGroupware works with existing IMAP infrastructure. -- Pete Regards -- Joseph Goncalves mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 66D6 71CF 87F9 6B17 6824 C692 9FF0 1DAF 7DAE E661 -- Alcazar: Leela, this must all be very confusing. Leela: A little. That's why I've decided to hurt you until you explain it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Call for participation: SLUG Bootcamp
Hello everyone, SLUG is hosting a Bootcamp event[1] on Saturday 19 May. Our main target audience will be Linux newbies and those seeking to migrate from Windows. I am looking for helpers to assist the Committee to ensure that this event is a success. We promoted the event at CeBIT last week, and the interest generated has been very strong. HP is granting us computers and a room capable of holding 70 people (without tables). There are two kinds of helpers that I am after: those intending to give a presentation and general helpers. We have some rough notes on the kinds of topics that presentations can cover[2]. Please don't edit that page. Instead, notify the SLUG Committee[3] of your willingness to talk on a topic, or of any ideas that you may have. If you wish to give a talk, please let us know ASAP so that we can organise the schedule for the day. In addition to speakers, we will also be needing general helpers to answer random questions and to provide assistance if required. Some people will be bringing their own laptops, and would like help with installing Linux on them. The sessions will be recorded, so that we can build a library of downloadable demonstration videos for prospective switchers. For technical and simplicity reasons, the computers will all be running Ubuntu on Tap[4]. It is important that we are not too derisive of Windows or of other software/environments. People are not going to want to try FOSS if we insult their current choice of software. This message has been posted to both the slug and activities lists for greater exposure, but please direct all replies to the activities list. Sridhar [1] http://www.slug.org.au/2007/bootcamp [2] http://wiki.slug.org.au/bootcamp/notes [3] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [4] http://www.ucc.asn.au/services/ubuntu.ucc -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net pgpTrMk8NCWVt.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Announcement: Creation of sub-committee for constitution changes
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Re: [SLUG] Symbolic links
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 01:31:16PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
What about find -L -samefile give-target?
e.g.
$ touch target
$ ln -s target link-to-target
$ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx ... link-to-target - target
-rw-r--r-- ... target
$ find -L -samefile target
./target
./link-to-target
Nice! I was about to suggest using
find . -exec ls -ldiL {} \;
then grepping/parsing the result for the inode
but using find's nibuilt features is better.
(for ls, i says show the inode number, L means resolve links)
Matt
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Re: [SLUG] Symbolic links
On 08/05/07, Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 01:31:16PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
What about find -L -samefile give-target?
e.g.
$ touch target
$ ln -s target link-to-target
$ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx ... link-to-target - target
-rw-r--r-- ... target
$ find -L -samefile target
./target
./link-to-target
Nice! I was about to suggest using
find . -exec ls -ldiL {} \;
then grepping/parsing the result for the inode
but using find's nibuilt features is better.
(for ls, i says show the inode number, L means resolve links)
I too wasn't aware of this particular option either, I was more after trying
to find the inode+device numbers of all files pointed to by symbolic links
then compare these to the given file, then I found this when I looked
through find(1). Be aware that i-node numbers are not unique across
filesystems so you have to compare the device number too (%D in find's
-printf), which is exactly what -samefile does.
IMHO - using find is generally better since it saves you ls's inefficient
read/sort/print tons of text that isn't going to be looked at (I felt this
not long ago when I had to shuffle around directories with thousands of
files in them - perl opendir() is such a godsend :). If you must use ls(1)
then a little optimization could be the use of -f to avoid it sorting its
output.
Cheers,
--Amos
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Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:24 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote: I'd like something that can share contacts / calendars / tasks across a fairly mixed environment - evolution, thunderbird and sunbird/lightning on Windows and Linux, and Outlook 2k3. -- Pete I ve used and loved Zimbra, I often try out Scalix when I see some propaganda, but keep going back to Zimbra. From what you have said, I think it would be a good fit Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On 08/05/07, Joseph Goncalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered using a hosted service like Google calendar? Google calendar can be synchronised with your desktop applications using GSyncDaemon which is a java application that works well with Windows and Linux. It has a Windows installer, but I have mine working with Gentoo Linux, but I had to install the app without a Gentoo package. I don't know if there are any packages for other distros. Google isn't the only choice; there's also zoho.com, and there are a few other players as well. I use Spanning Sync(.com) with my Mac; it nicely pushes the data into iSync and thus into the standard apps. It also then pushes everything nicely to my phone, and also takes everything the other way. You didn't mention any macs though, only windows and linux, so my babblings will stop now. If you've got a windows environment, you should be able to sync the Google Calendar with Outlook and then use your phone's sync software to sync that with your phone. I would say Google calendar is good for small to medium size companies and I don't know if Google calendar scale well within an organisational so you may consider hosting something yourself using eGroupware or phpGroupware. It seems that eGroupware has better support and eGroupware allows you to sync calendar to mobile phones and pda through SyncML protocol. I have done preliminary research on these applications so I don't know how well they work. Google Calendar also has some nice features re: sharing calendars and free/busy information with other people in your organisation, and also makes shared/team/joint calendars easy, as well as calendars for resources such as meeting rooms, projectors, etc. But, you do have to keep in mind that you're shipping what could be your highly confidential internal information off to Google's servers, and you may or may not think that's acceptable. -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ufsdump for linux
Yes you are right I could. I already have an ufs enabled kernel. I was trying to stick with dump. Will see how I get on. Thanks, Greg. On 08/05/07, Hal Ashburner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Cockburn wrote: Hi Sluggers, I have an unusual request. Is there ufsdump for linux? And I don't mean dump either. I have a Solaris UFS disk in a Linux box, and I want to dump the slices (partitions) off that disk, but I can't seem to find a utility to do it. I know I could put that disk in a Solaris host and dump it across the network, but this disk is very big with a lot of little files, and I am hoping it will be faster dumping off the Solaris disk locally as apposed going via the network. Hi Greg, I hope I'm not telling you to suck eggs here but is it not possible to simply: Compile a kernel with UFS support. Mount the disk. Use an appropriate tar pipeline to shift it all to a different disk and filesystem. ??? Profit! Kind regards, Hal -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] deb caching software for use on LANs that doesn't suck?
Good morning all, For quite some time I've tried apt-cacher and settled on apt-proxy for a few years, for caching deb packages on a LAN to reduce internet bandwidth usage and to speed up apt-get processes. Since apt-proxy has moved to using the twisted framework, I've found that apt-proxy's suckiness ranges from oh I'm going to take 6 hours to complete your apt-get dist-upgrade because I'm busy doing something in the background to I don't know what to do so I'll throw you a random HTTP error, which annoys me to no end. apt-cacher is no better, as it munges each debs it downloads with some HTTP headers. So, has anyone come across something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher, but it doesn't suck? (Yes I know it sounds like a big ask) :) Regards, Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:36 +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:24 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote: I've also looked at Scalix in the best, and like what I see. My only issue with it so far is that I'd prefer to keep my existing mail infrastructure. Is it possible for it to co-exist with an existing IMAP service? Is this for you personally or for a professional office deployment? The answer for IMAP co-existence will be markedly different depending on how the deployment is going to be used. Professional office deployment. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:21 +1000, Steven Tucker wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:24 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote: I'd like something that can share contacts / calendars / tasks across a fairly mixed environment - evolution, thunderbird and sunbird/lightning on Windows and Linux, and Outlook 2k3. -- Pete I ve used and loved Zimbra, I often try out Scalix when I see some propaganda, but keep going back to Zimbra. From what you have said, I think it would be a good fit Thanks, Zimbra hasn't really been on my radar at all. I'll check it out. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open source groupware solutions
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 10:23 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote: Professional office deployment. IMAP co-existence will really, really, really bug people. Scalix supports IMAP and it works fine but I would strongly recommending accessing Scalix via the Scalix plugins for Outlook or Evolution. To co-exist with an IMAP account confuses people. I do use the IMAP connection for services such as Blackberry's. -- Craige McWhirter Managing Director McWhirter [consulting] http://mcwhirter.com.au/ - 0415958783 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] deb caching software for use on LANs that doesn't suck?
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:49:52 +1000, Billy Kwong wrote: So, has anyone come across something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher, but it doesn't suck? (Yes I know it sounds like a big ask) :) Have you had a look at apt-mirror? It differs from apt-proxy or apt-cacher in that you create a mirror of a remote repository all at once rather than caching packages you download, so it can take a while to get setup, but then it's simple to keep up to date - just run it from cron once or twice a day. dapper + edgy + feisty, main + retricted + universe + multiverse, including updates, backports and security is 51GB in total. If you want a quick way to fill your mirror, I have a full mirror of the three latest Ubuntu distros. Bring a hard drive to either St Leonards (work, but not this week) or Lindfield (home) and I'll copy it over for you if you'd like. Cheers, John -- It took people a long time to figure out which machine was doing it, and even longer to figure out how. But for some reason it didn't take them any time at all to figure that I'd done it. -- Paul Tomblin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] deb caching software for use on LANs that doesn't suck?
No, I'd rather not having to download the entire repository if I can help it, hence apt-cacher and apt-proxy. I might give approx (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/approx) a spin, however (Thanks Jeremy Visser) Regards, Bill On 09/05/07, John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:49:52 +1000, Billy Kwong wrote: So, has anyone come across something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher, but it doesn't suck? (Yes I know it sounds like a big ask) :) Have you had a look at apt-mirror? It differs from apt-proxy or apt-cacher in that you create a mirror of a remote repository all at once rather than caching packages you download, so it can take a while to get setup, but then it's simple to keep up to date - just run it from cron once or twice a day. dapper + edgy + feisty, main + retricted + universe + multiverse, including updates, backports and security is 51GB in total. If you want a quick way to fill your mirror, I have a full mirror of the three latest Ubuntu distros. Bring a hard drive to either St Leonards (work, but not this week) or Lindfield (home) and I'll copy it over for you if you'd like. Cheers, John -- It took people a long time to figure out which machine was doing it, and even longer to figure out how. But for some reason it didn't take them any time at all to figure that I'd done it. -- Paul Tomblin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
