Re: [SLUG] Academic research software

2007-02-28 Thread Beren James Sanders
Not sure if TeXmacs has been mentioned, but its basically in the same
vein as Lyx, except better in some aspects.  The main difference is
that TeXmacs isn't exactly just a GUI ontop of LaTeX -- it uses its
own format and commands (which are quite similar to LaTeX), however it
recognizes LaTeX commands.  If you know LaTeX you can construct
documents very efficiently in TeXmacs, especially very efficient
typing of equations and such.. better than just using a place text
file (you'll have to try it out to really see why).  The big issue
though, is that for a complicated document you will probably have to
export to LaTeX and tweak some thigs.  But its exportation to LaTeX is
by no means perfect, so there are a few issues there. Nevertheless the
efficiency with which you can type mathematics in it is
unsurpassed. Has a lot of potential.

-Beren


On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:29:20AM +1100, Alan L Tyree wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:11:57 +1100
 Joseph Goncalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Russell Davie wrote:
   snip
   
Kile is a more user-friendly KDE-based TeX/LaTeX editor:
http://kile.sourceforge.net/
   
KBibTeX specifically targets the bibliography features of LaTeX:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=27421
  
   More user friendly?
   How so if Kile requires the user to learn LaTeX markup language
   before they can produce a document? LyX enables a user to produce a
   document without having to learn LaTeX.  This is avoids the
   significant and extra LaTeX learning curve.
  
  LaTeX markup language is really easy to use, but when it comes to 
  changing the default layout, it gets complicated. LaTeX markup is far 
  superior when you have repetitive patterns that you need to use. 
  Personally I use latex-suite in vim than the GUI based Kile. And VIM 
  has a far steeper learning curve than LaTeX. But like learning to
  Touch Type, the learning curve of Vim is well worth it.
 
 This is true, but in my experience it is not always on the point. Some
 people are simply put off by having the markup visible on screen. I
 don't know why this is so, but I have seen it in experienced as well as
 inexperienced users. There is something about having a footnote in the
 middle of a paragraph that freaks them out.
 
 Cheers,
 Alan
 
 
 
  
  If you have a aptitude for programming then definitely learn LaTeX. 
  Here is a link to a really good LaTeX FAQ that teaches you to do
  stuff that will be hard to find otherwise...
  http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html
  
  -- 
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  burning 
  desire for revenge.  This is foolish.  Only the rawest primitive and
  the sociopath have no conscience.  The Fremen possesses a highly
  evolved worldview 
  centered on the welfare of his people.  His sense of belonging to the 
  community 
  is almost stronger than his sense of self.  It is only to outsiders
  that these 
  desert dwellers seem brutish . . . just as outsiders appear to them.
  
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Re: Community building and SLUG love [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Beren James Sanders
Why can't people just get along?  It saddens my heart to see this kind
of behaviour on a mailing list devoted to something which to some
people is a real symbol for the potential advancement of humanity.

There are too many problems in the world beyond our control to be
creating more issues and ill-will between people.  As a lurker on this
list, I just see a bunch of opinionated posts without a real desire
to accomodate alternative perspectives.  What hope is there for the
world when some differences in opinions about an issue as
insignificant in the scheme of things as the use of the term `RTFM'
causes such nastiness?

I just want to say that all of this had the opposite effect of
``making my day''.  Reading this thread was a waste of 5 minutes of my
life and I'm now taking away another minute from it to write this
email.

regards,
Beren Sanders
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