Re: [SLUG] url openmoko third party wiki site mentioned at the talk?

[Mark Chandler]

Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone remember what the last URL in the OpenMoko talk was?  I remember
openmoko.org, openmoko.com, and then a wiki at openmoko.something.org.

Thanks!
  
I wasn't at the talk, so I could be wrong, but the main OpenMoko wiki is 
at http://wiki.openmoko.org


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Re: [SLUG] iptables defualt policy

[Mark Chandler]

Alex Samad wrote:

On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 02:42:48PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
  

This one time, at band camp, Alex Samad wrote:


Hi

I am just going through my firewall setup and I notice I can no longer do  
iptables -P INPUT REJECT


when did this happen ? I could have sworn that is what I used to use as a 
default, yes I know I can drop and add a -A -j REJECT
  

News to me.  What version of iptables do you have?


amd64 lenny
iptables -V
iptables v1.3.8
uname -r
2.6.20-1-amd64

 iptables -P INPUT REJECT
iptables: Bad policy name

but I can do a iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT

strange


  

What's the error message?
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Odd. My recollection was also that REJECT could be used in a policy. 
However, it seems clear from the man pages and searching around that 
ACCEPT, DROP, QUEUE, and RETURN are the only options. There are extended 
targets that include REJECT, but as you mentioned above, that only seems 
available for user chains.

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Re: [SLUG] Query on The Gimp

[Mark Chandler]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've just finished installing Ubuntu 7.04
and decided to look at The Gimp.

According to the Help file, the help files are missing.
In particular, I was told that gimp-help-en was nowhere
to be found.

I've seen this before, when I was using Fedora. Is there
something special about these files that I don't know about?

Any help etc.

Bill Bennett.


  
On Fedora, the help files are in a separate package. Does Ubuntu 7.04 
have a similar arrangement?


Maybe an "apt-get install gimp-help-en" from the command line will help, 
if you're comfortable running commands like that.

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Re: [SLUG] Rusty migration complete

[Mark Chandler]

Lindsay Holmwood wrote:

Rusty's migration is complete.

It took slightly longer than expected due to memory issues, but things
are back up and running again.

Thanks for your patience,
Lindsay


Congratulations on a successful migration. :-)
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Re: [SLUG] Not good publicity for Linux, is it?

[Mark Chandler]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 10:40:34AM +1000, Marghanita da Cruz wrote:
> Dean Hamstead wrote:
> >http://australianscreen.com.au/help/
> >
> >some may be happy to note that in the FAQ w3c standards compliance is 
> >mentioned, ie, safari and ff are listed as should work perfectly. lynx 
> >even gets a mention
> >
> >quicktime, miro and vlc are mentioned as possible media players
> >
> >so there is a win for standards and open source.
> 
> Not quite...
> 
> >What software do I need to view the video clips?
> >
> >The clips embedded in the web pages require Adobe Flash Player version 7 
> >or 
> better.
> >
> >The downloadable clips are provided at a higher quality,
> >and use a newer format called H.264 Mpeg 4.
> http://australianscreen.com.au/help/
> 
> While, there is a Free Flash Player available for Linux - I don't think it
> is open source.

The Gnash project from GNU is developing a Free Flash player. It's recent 0.8.0 
release allows Flash video to be played from sites like YouTube. I haven't 
tried it with the Australian Screen site.

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/release-0.8.0.txt

> 
> With regard to MPEG4 and H.264 see
> >If operating and/or shipping a product in a country or group of countries 
> >where none of the patents covering H.264 apply, then using, for example, 
> >an LGPL implementation of the codec is not a problem:
> 
> 
> But ofcourse providing online free access to the content is a great leap 
> forward...
> 
> m
> -- 
> Marghanita da Cruz
> http://www.ramin.com.au
> Phone: 0414 869202
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] OpenMoko.com online

[Mark Chandler]

Thanks for digging that out.
I'll post your reply on the openmoko community list, in case someone 
else has the same questions.


brendan wrote:

Gents,

ACMA is the Australian Regulator.

This page http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_1687 seems to cover
your questions.

Brendan Puck..

On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 17:34 +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
  

Can I add to that... even if they do work, would they be legal?

I know there's certification processes for things like electrical 
devices, does the same exist for mobile phones?


Adam K

Barrie Hall wrote:

  

For those interested, the OpenMoko.com site went live today.
It's now possible to order the pre-release (still in development) 
version of FIC's Neo 1973, Linux-based smart phone.
  

Do these work on the Australian phone networks?


They specify that they use a quad band GSM radio, so yes, these should 
work fine here.


Barrie

  


  


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[SLUG] OpenMoko.com online

[Mark Chandler]

For those interested, the OpenMoko.com site went live today.
It's now possible to order the pre-release (still in development) 
version of FIC's Neo 1973, Linux-based smart phone.


If you haven't heard about this, I recommend checking out 
www.openmoko.org and www.openmoko.com.


Cheers,

Mark C.
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Re: [SLUG] Glynn Foster on Project Indiana at SOSUG

[Mark Chandler]

James Purser wrote:

On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 11:50 +1000, Mark Chandler wrote:
  

Thanks for the heads-up. I hope to make it out for that.
I'm particularly interested to see how Sun are positioning Indiana given 
Ian Murdoch's comments on the latest LugRadio ep.





I did an interview with Ian after his LugRadio experience, might be
relevant to the discussion:

http://localfoss.org/OSOTA/Episode_18
  

Cool. I'll grab that and check it out.
I was able to grab the file from the direct link, but the RSS feed 
doesn't seem to want to cough up the latest ep.

Eps #16 & #17 are fine, though.

Many thanks.
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Re: [SLUG] Glynn Foster on Project Indiana at SOSUG

[Mark Chandler]

Jeff Waugh wrote:

Hey,

Glynn Foster (who many of you will know from linux.conf.au, GNOME, various
FLOSS events, etc) will be at the Sydney OpenSolaris User Group next Monday,
speaking about Project Indiana.

What is Project Indiana? A project to create a binary distribution of Open
Solaris that is "as easy to use as Linux". But not necessarily like Linux,
of course. :-)

 Topic: Project Indiana
  Date: Monday 9th July 2007
  Time: 6:30pm onwards
  Location: Sun Solution Centre, 33 Berry St North Sydney
 More info: 
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2007-July/001616.html

- Jeff

  

Thanks for the heads-up. I hope to make it out for that.
I'm particularly interested to see how Sun are positioning Indiana given 
Ian Murdoch's comments on the latest LugRadio ep.


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Re: [SLUG] routing

[Mark Chandler]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 06 June 2007 18:27, you wrote:

  

In the hope that someone can say "YouIdiot" here are my routing woes:



  

server pings logger
1077.886219  192.168.1.1 -> 192.168.1.102 ICMP Echo (ping) request 
1077.914266 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.1.1  ICMP Echo (ping) reply 



  

logger pings server
1130.823859 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request 
1136.326497 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request 
1141.833524 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request



[I reposted this, to make it clear]
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.1.102   *   255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp1
192.168.1.101   192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 ppp0
192.168.1.101   *   255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
202.7.144.236   *   255.255.255.252 U 0  00 eth0
192.168.17.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 br0
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
loopback*   255.0.0.0   U 0  00 lo
default 202.7.144.237   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

  

You did not draw a network diagram so I'm guessing you are trying to use
the box with the routes above as a gateway.

The obvious thing that comes to mind is wether IP forwaridng is
enabled.

cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
this should return 1

you can set it manuall by doing
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

Or more permanently using in /etc/sysctl.conf with
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1

Any more help than that requires some ASCII art on your part :)



Sorry for too little information:

ADSL-bridge ==[ server   ]--- 192.168.17.0 network of machines
  [202.7.144.237 ]
  [192.168.17.254]
  [ pptp server  ]


logger--[CDM NextG Router]. . . . B
  i
logger--[CDM NextG Router]. . . . g
  P
  o
  n
  d

Now  bigpond allocates a dynamic address to the nextG routers
The addresses are private and bigpond MASQs them to the internet

The loggers establish a (MS) VPN tunnel to the server
The server end is 192.168.1.1 the logger end is 192.168.1.101, 102 etc
Machines in the 192.168.17.0 network need to interact with the loggers

So we have:
[machines-on-192.168.17.0]  connect to the internet via server as GW and MASQ
(Forwarding on, this works)

I must add a route for 192.168.1.0 to the DHCP from server so that the 
machines can access the loggers at 192.168.1.101 etc (machines get from DHCP)


I can't see *any* reply from ..17.254 when ..1.102 pings it.

  

Look at everything:
tethereal  -i any 'icmp[icmptype] == icmp-echo or icmp[icmptype] == 
icmp-echoreply'



  
28.000237 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request 
33.242204 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request 
38.749529 192.168.1.102 -> 192.168.17.254 ICMP Echo (ping) request 



So my question is what/why/how have I screwed up the routing?
I've messed with the routing, and I'm testing 2 'loggers' but 1 is the same

James
  


What routes are setup on the loggers? I'm thinking you'd have a default 
route to 192.168.1.1.

Can you show us the output from a traceroute from a logger to .17.254?

Also, have you checked for interfering firewall rules?

Cheers,

Mark C.
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Re: [SLUG] modprobe/usbserial weirdness

[Mark Chandler]

I think there's a third "debug" parameter for the usbserial module from 
looking at the output of "modinfo usbserial".

Try modprobing it with debug=1 to get some logging going.

Other than that, I'm not much help. Although, it sounds like the 
usbserial generic driver is having trouble allocating ttyUSB0.


Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:

Hi all,

I've got two devices that connect via USB and set up /dev/ttyUSB*
devices:

   - Sierra Wireless Aircard 875
   - Custom hardware widget

The custom hardware widget gets automatically detected by udev and
the usbserial and cypress_m8 drivers get loaded and a single
/dev/ttyUSB0 gets created.

To get the Sierra card going I need to do:

modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1199 product=0x6820

which creates /dev/ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB2.

These two devices work correctly on their own, but if I have
both plugged in when the machine starts, the Sierra card's 
modprobe command does nothing; no ttyUSB devices are created

and there is no dmesg output and nothing in /var/log/messages.

However, if I leave the custom widget unplugged when I reboot,
modprobe the Sierra card, then plug in the widget all works
fine. Unfortunately, this not really a satisfactory solution.

Anybody have any ideas on how to sort this out?

Cheers,
Erik
  


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Re: [SLUG] Grub problem???

[Mark Chandler]

I seem to remember that I had to use a "hide" directive to make Windows 
think that it was booting from the "C" drive, or the first drive in the 
list.


In your case, I guess you'd have something like the following, assuming 
you have two partitions per sata/scsi disk.


title Fussy OS
hide (hd0,0)
hide (hd0,1)
hide (hd1,0)
hide (hd1,1)
rootnoverify (hd2,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1

I think I only had to hide one partition, but I only had one disk and 
may have had one giant ext3 partition for Linux.


Googling for hide, grub, Windows got me this 
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html

I notice in that page, they have makeactive after the chainloader.

Hope that helps,

Mark C.

Lyle Chapman wrote:

Does anybody have a solution to my problem.

I had a dual boot setup winxp/fedora and was able to startup fine, 
although originally I had to setup grub manually to boot winxp but the 
main thing is it worked. Unfortunately over the weekend I nuked my 
fedora drive which had the grub.conf on it and now cannot remember how 
to get the damn thing setup again.


The drive config is as follows:

sda - fedora
sdb - fedora
hde and hdg (raid/striped) winxp

I am assuming that the grub.conf would have the win boot as:
rootnoverify (hd2,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1

I would appreciate it if someone could point out if that is incorrect. 
Cheers and thanks in advcance to all who reply.


Lyle Chapman
Prepress Supervisor
Torch Publishing Company Pty Ltd
47 Allingham Street, Condell Park, NSW, 2200
www.torchpublishing.com.au
Ph: 612 9795 
Fax: 612 9795 0096


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Re: [SLUG] Networking ... explain

[Mark Chandler]

I think that unless the ADSL router has a route to the 192.168.0.0 
network, it can't route packets pack from the Internet.
Its default route is probably something from your ISP. As packets come 
back from the Internet destined for 192.168.0.x, the router only has a 
route to 192.168.5.0 or the default (back to the Internet) to handle it.


I can think of only three options at the mo to fix this:
1. Add a route on the ADSL router for the 192.168.0.0 network that uses 
192.168.5.70 as the gateway
2. Open the subnets to be /21 (255.255.248.0) or  /16 to allow the 
subnets to talk without routing. This would seem to defeat the purpose 
of your design though.
3. Add NAT to the 192.168.0.1 system so that the 192.168.0.0 network is 
masqueraded as 192.168.5.0. Then the ADSL router doesn't have to deal 
with routing to the 192.168.0.0 network.


Hope I've understood it right.

Mark C.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi
if anybody can explain my lack-of-understanding I'd really appreciate it. 
Thanks



---
Network 192.168.0.0
.
192.168.0.1  Machine
192,168.5.70 One
.
.
192.168.5.1  ADSL Router
.Internet
---

Machines in 192.168.0.0 network have default GW 192.168.0.1
They can interact (ping etc) with machines in   192.168.5.0 network

Machines in 192.168.5.0 metwork have default GW 192.168.5.1
They can interact with the 192.168.0.0 machines
192.168.0.0 jupiter.home255.255.255.0   UG0  00 br0
and with the internet
default hawood.home 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 br0

Of course MachineOne, the GW machine for 192.168.0.0 can see out of 
192.168.5.1


How do machines in the 192.168.0.0 network get to see the internet out of 
192.168.5.1 gateway?


[br0 is irrelevant, it could be eth0, it's used by openvpn]
James

  


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Re: [SLUG] Make The Move website launched

[Mark Chandler]

Nice work! I like the snappy title; something I'll be able to remember 
when talking with potential movers :)


Just in case you hadn't seen it, a live Fedora Core 6 CD has been 
announced on www.fedoraforum.org. I can't vouch for how good it is, but 
I thought you might want to know for the list of live CDs that you have 
on the site.


The site design is nice and clean. I wish it lots of hits in the new year ;)

Mark C.

Chris Smart wrote:

Dear sluggers,

I am a clugger, but wanted to post to the slug list about a new website
that I've launched, http://makethemove.net

It is a website designed to promote Linux and open source software as
viable alternatives to Windows and other computer systems.

I don't think it's been discussed on slug list yet (mostly on clug), but
please check out the site and let me know your thoughts!

Also, please help spread the word. I'm hoping to get some fliers etc done,
well maybe once I fix IE6 compatibility :(

There is also a little web advertising button thing you can add to your
websites if you want, here:
http://makethemove.net/images/promo/mtmbutton.png

Cheers!
Chris

  


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Re: [SLUG] DNS - Xen - Virtual server hosting

[Mark Chandler]

I'm not sure I can see a way for this to work. I think you may need some 
sort of web-proxy or gateway to redirect HTTP requests to the virtual 
hosts based on their FQDN.


Once the web address has been resolved to an IP address, that IP address 
will be contacted and netfilter will not be aware of the difference 
between somebody requesting thisdomain.tld or thatdomain.tld from the 
same IP.


Unless there's a netfilter module that I don't know about (quite 
possible) that does that kind of HTTP packet inspection, I think you'll 
need to redirect the traffic at the application level.



Howard Lowndes wrote:
I know about BIND views, in fact I use them, but I don't think they will 
work here.


What I need is for lannet.com.au, thisdomain.tld and thatdomain.tld to 
all resolve to the same public w.x.y.z externally, but be DNAT'd to 
different private 192.168.y.z addresses internally.



Chris Deigan wrote:


On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 12:44 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:

What my problem is: how do I set up DNS so that externally 
thisdomain.tld and thatdomain.tld both point to the same external IP 
address, but internally they point to different internal IP addresses.




Check out BIND views.

You can setup bind using views so that clients from, say, 172.16.0.* see
your internal zones and everyone else sees external zones.

-Chris.




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Re: [SLUG] Re:tv setup

[Mark Chandler]

Heh. True. I think I'll have to be vigilant in removing or archiving old 
recordings.


At the mo, I only have 80GB + 40GB in the system. I've carved this up 
into Dev, UAT, and Prod partitions, and plan to have a shared partition 
that will contain the MySQL database and any media files (I wouldn't do 
this with a real dev/uat/prod setup :P ). The shared partition will be a 
logical volume so I can have more options with what to do with it later.


The reason for the Dev, UAT, and Prod environments is because I live in 
a shared house. The Prod environment has to be solid, and is the default 
boot option. The housemates know that if something goes screwy, they can 
reset the "box" and it'll boot right back into a working MythTV.


Fortunately, my housemates aren't imposing strict SLAs and out-of-hours 
outages for changes. Otherwise I think I'd have to get a different 
change-management system than fridge-notes.


Michael Fox wrote:

On 1/23/06, Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just to chime in with my two cents:
I'm now thinking of adding a second tuner, so I can watch and record.



2nd tuner is good, but it also means using diskspace alot more quickly..

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Re: [SLUG] Re:tv setup

[Mark Chandler]

Just to chime in with my two cents:

I have a systen with an Athlon XP 2000+, 1GiB RAM, nVidia 6200-based 
card with component-video connectors. This is running Gentoo with the 
latest released updates (inc. kernel 2.6.14, Myth 0.18.1), and provides 
front- and backend functions. The digital tuner is a DVICO FusionHDTV 
DVB-T (DVB-T1).


I had dreadful problems with frontend performance using the latest 
nVidia drivers (8178). I downgraded to 7676, and CPU usage became much 
better. I see less than 10% usage for recording, and around 50-60% usage 
for playback of SD. Playback of HD is also possible, but I haven't 
recorded the CPU usage. Most HD channels are watchable as long as the 
signal is good - I'm only using a crappy indoor boosted aerial.


I'm now thinking of adding a second tuner, so I can watch and record.


Michael Fox wrote:

On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joel
just to clarify for me please:
Are you watching HD or SD tv. My DVICO setup with SD works OK, but HD is not
watchable. I've tried FC4, SuSE9.3, SuSE10 on a P4-3G 1G ram nvidia GT6600
graphics. I'm about to try the twinhan tuners following Michaels success.



Oh no the pressure is on :)

This is what my box is doing atm at home;

Encoder status
Encoder 1 is local on mythmbe1 and is recording: 'Ready Steady Cook'
on TEN Digital. This recording will end at 2:03 PM.
Encoder 2 is local on mythmbe1 and is not recording.

I noticed in the TV guide that Skippy is on Channel 9 at around 2:30am
each morning starting this week I think sometime.

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Re: [SLUG] smh media streaming now windows only- link

[Mark Chandler]

wow. you learn something new every day.

There's even a specific SMH script, but it seems to deal with 
ad-blocking rather than assisting MPlayer. This has got to be what he 
was talking about, though.


Tony Green wrote:




I wonder if he meant "Sea Monkey". But, I can't see anything obvious
from a Google search on Sea Monkey, etc. that might be relevant to this
issue.




Could be this 'grease monkey'
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=748

Sounds likely to me :
"Allows you to customize the way a webpage displays using small bits of
JavaScript. Hundreds of scripts, for a wide variety of poular sites, are
already available in the Greasemonkey script repository at
http://dunck.us/collab/GreaseMonkeyUserScripts. You can write your own
scripts too. Mark Pilgrim's definitive Greasemonkey guide,
diveintogreasemonkey.org will show you how."

I've never used it, just got bored and did a quick gogole

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Re: [SLUG] smh media streaming now windows only- link

[Mark Chandler]

I wonder if he meant "Sea Monkey". But, I can't see anything obvious 
from a Google search on Sea Monkey, etc. that might be relevant to this 
issue.


Linley Caetan wrote:

Dean Hamstead wrote:



doesnt windows 2003 have a media server out of the box?



More from smh:

Hi Linley,
There were so few people using real player that we removed it to speed up th 
eloading of the site. I have heard however that you can get an Mplayer plugin 
for Firefox, which can be combined with a grease monkey script that will 
resolve this issue. That is not official though.







Regards,


Fairfax Digital Support
www.fairfaxdigital.com.au


So what is this script?

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Re: [SLUG] ACCC

[Mark Chandler]

Best of luck in getting a decent response.

Nicholas Jefferson wrote:

Hello world!

I have just sent this letter to Mike Kiley, Director, Enforcement and
Coordination Branch, ACCC. Now, where did I leave my velvet gloves?
}:-)

Kind regards,

Nicholas


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Re: [SLUG] Linux drive on iMac

[Mark Chandler]

That makes a lot of sense. I'd missed that these were *i*Macs, and 
therefore chucking a cheap SCSI card in may not be an option.



Amos Shapira wrote:

On 10/27/05, Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think hardware is going to be the issue. If you've got a Mac system
that has a SCSI controller compatible with the drive, then you could
always try using one of the recent Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD's for PowerPC.
That way, you don't have to destroy an installed OS to do the recovery,
and you don't have to worry about OSX not understanding the partitions.



Maybe SCSI-to-Firewire (e.g. http://www.meritline.com/ulscsifircon.html)
or SCSI-to-USB 
(http://www.mozillaquest.com/Hardware/Belkin/Belkin-SCSI-USB_story01.html)
may help you connect your disk to a Mac?

(The links above are just samples from a quick "scsi to usb" and "scsi
to firewire"
google search).

I don't know how Ubunutu may handle these converters but it sounds like
an appealing way to teach the Mac to read your Linux disk.

HTH,

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Re: [SLUG] Linux drive on iMac

[Mark Chandler]

I think hardware is going to be the issue. If you've got a Mac system 
that has a SCSI controller compatible with the drive, then you could 
always try using one of the recent Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD's for PowerPC. 
That way, you don't have to destroy an installed OS to do the recovery, 
and you don't have to worry about OSX not understanding the partitions.



Kevin Waterson wrote:

Hi all,
I need to rescue some data from my linux box after the MoBo died.
I have a SCSI drive and several macs running OSX. Is there any
toy I can use to connect the drive to the mac and rescue my beloved
files?

Kind regards
kevin


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Re: [SLUG] returning windows software

[Mark Chandler]

There's a documented case of something similar to what you want here: 
http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html


It's a little old now, but gives some great advice.

Russell Davie wrote:

Hi All

Has anybody done this?
How would you suggest I go about this?

This laptop (Acer Aspire 3002) runs fine on Ubuntu Hoary and I don't really 
need to use the Windows software that came with it.  Everything runs fine, 
straight after install.  Amazing. Except for special windows keys for starting 
Internet Explorer. ;-)

Windows hasn't been used, though it attempted to boot twice, which was stopped 
in a few seconds by powering off.

When Ubuntu was installed, the hidden rescue partition and WinXP partition had errors which Ubuntu couldn't fix.  The only way out was to delete both partitions and let Ubuntu sort it out.   


So this laptop is fully Windows free, Windows was never used, the CDs are still 
in shrink wrap.
So maybe it could be argued as the machine has never used Windows and as the 
CDs are in shrink wrap, then the ULUA that is set by MS hasn't been agreed to.

Your advice in how to return the CDs for refund is appreciated.

The money would come in handy to get more memory!

regards

Russell

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Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly flash mp3 players

[Mark Chandler]

I've been looking at the iRiver products, but haven't bought anything yet.

www.iriver.com.au

If you haven't seen it already, TuxMobil has a section on portable media 
players:


http://tuxmobil.org/portable_players.html


David Gillies wrote:

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Does anyone out there have any recommendations for Linux friendly flash
mp3 players?

I guess I'm trying to avoid players that require special software for
uploading the audio files to. One that I can just plugin and the system
sees it as being a standard USB mass storage device.

And any that have .ogg support would be a major bonus.
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dave.
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Re: [SLUG] Dell issues? (was Partitioning)

[Mark Chandler]

From what I remember, this is a system that instead of having separate 
VideoRAM on a graphics controller, the graphics chipset uses system 
memory for video processing. This means two things:

1. you have less system memory for the OS and apps
2. you're using slower memory for graphics than systems with dedicated 
VideoRAM.


However, these days systems have a lot of RAM to throw around, so losing 
64MiB is not that big a deal. Also, RAM is a lot faster now so using it 
for graphics is not a big deal either.


Obviously, if you're buying your laptop to play the latest and greatest 
Windows games, then this is not going to give you the kind of frame 
rates that'll make the local kids green with envy. But for most business 
applications, it's ok.


Glad to be corrected, if I've got this wrong.

David wrote:

On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 08:28:28AM +0800, james wrote:


If you get a dell, and there are lots of nice things about dell plus a
few  uuugh
price
ease of setup
compatibility
heat generation (the centrino's are better)
then
1) you buy it
2) return winders for munnie ($80 as I recall)

Call Dell



Dell are offering very cheap prices right now.. but they talk about 
ram shared with graphics ???


Does anyone have any comment about that? Does it matter?

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Re: [SLUG] Partitioning software

[Mark Chandler]

Great tip! Thanks! I've been looking for a way to get an unencumbered 
laptop for a while.


Thanks also to Peter C for the same tip.

Phil Scarratt wrote:

Howard Lowndes wrote:




I have yet to see any lappies advertised with Linux installed outside 
of the US.  I just checked a couple of AU Linux sites and they don't 
have anything.  I know my own wholesaler only supplies with Winders 
installed.


Dell - nothing but XP on lappies.
IBM - they no longer sell lappies, since they sold that arm to Lenevo
Novell - don't sell lappies

A few years back someone did get the price reduced in AU by getting 
the supplier to cancel the Winders install, but it was a battle.  I 
think he got $15 off, IIRC.




Pioneer Computers sell their own branded laptops with linux 
installedor they used to. www.pioneercomputers.com.au


No idea quality or otherwise, having never used their laptops.

Fil

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Re: [SLUG] Is LVM worth it?

[Mark Chandler]

Could you install another disk tempoarily and install FC3 on that?
Then you could attempt to import the volume group from the original hard 
disk(s).


Alternatively, there is a how-to on adding LVM2 support to Knoppix here: 
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/LVM2



Howard Lowndes wrote:
I've just got a FC3 box in the shop with a screwed LVM setup - when it 
starts to boot it gets a kernel panic.


I have the FC3 rescue CD but that doesn't appear to have any LVM tools 
on it, neither does the Knoppix CD.


I would like to try to mount the LV partition but it appears to be a "no 
go" without the right tools.


Any ideas other than a fresh install without LVM, which looks to be the 
way I might have to go?



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Re: [SLUG] snapshot file systems

[Mark Chandler]

I'm afraid that I don't really have any GNU/Linux experience in this 
area. But I do know a bit about it from HP/UX and know that the LVM for 
GNU/Linux is very similar. If you have LVM(2?) available to your chosen 
distro, you can use lvcreate -s to initialise a snapshot logical volume 
which is a frozen version of the original. The original lv can continue 
to be updated while you backup the snapshot, or whatever. According the 
man page of lvcreate (from Fedora Core 4), you should have 15-20% of the 
size of the snapshot LV available to create the extra LV.


The LVM HOWTO (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html) has some 
info in section 3.8


I don't know what state files are left in in the snapshot image. What I 
mean by that is, I don't know how valid/safe it is to have a database 
running on a LV, snapshot it, backup the snapshot and then remove the 
snapshot.


In the HP/UX scenraios that I looked at, the preferred method was to 
stop databases, snapshot the filesystem, backup the snapshot, stop the 
DBs, then remove the snapshot.


Julio Cesar Ody wrote:

Hi all,

has anyone got any experience with GNU/Linux snapshot file systems?

I googled around and found these:

http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/snapfs/

http://sourcefrog.net/projects/snapfs/

Didn't get any of them installed yet because I won't put my hands
(root) on any GNU/Linux OS in the next day or two.

What I want is something similar to FreeBSD's snapshot file system,
which creates a read-only mount point containing a snapshot of the
data in a section/partition/whatever, where you can copy stuff from.

Any help is appreciated. Cheers.



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Re: [SLUG] Is Linux for losers?

[Mark Chandler]

This is a real "horses for courses" argument.
There's no point in de Raadt bagging out Linux for its differences to 
OpenBSD. When the 2.6 kernel was close to release and there was a lot of 
discussion about the new scheduler and how close to optimum it was, it 
was compared with other operating systems, including OpenBSD. OpenBSD 
performed abysmally.


Quite rightly, someone (can't remember if it was de Raadt) defended 
OpenBSD's performance by pointing out that its focus is security. But 
it's funny that he completely ignores this concept of project focus when 
asked about Linux.


Torvalds, AFAIK, has always maintained an attitude of "good enough" when 
it comes to kernel development. Considering that the kernel and 
Linux-based OSes are having to play catchup to Windows a lot of the 
time, there aren't the resources available to maintain everything to 
100% perfection.


Maybe, when vendors are more on board with collaborating on Linux and 
the time is available to clean-up code, then we can see GNU/Linux 
operatings systems getting closer to the standards that de Raadt is 
talking about.


Right now, I'm happy to make that sacrifice in code quality in order to 
have a decent OS that's more ethically sound.


Carlo Sogono wrote:

Interesting article here.
 
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
 
Your thoughts?
 
Carlo
 
PS. I'm not an OpenBSD guy.
 
 
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Re: [SLUG] MSN on the fritz?

[Mark Chandler]

Looks like MSN Messenger is having trouble. This is from the website
http://messenger.ninemsn.com.au/Status.aspx

The .NET Messenger Service is temporarily experiencing difficulty. You 
may be unable to sign in. Please try again later.

Last Update: 16/06/2005 7:17:00 PM Pacific Time (GMT -8:00)


James Gray wrote:
Not that I particularly *like* MSN or their privacy (sic) policy etc and 
therefore give a rats hairy sphincter, but more that I run a Jabber server 
with an MSN connector.  As of this morning, I've been getting "remote server 
error" whenever a user tries to use the MSN connector (bugger) after a fairly 
substantial timeout (5 min or so).


Seems the fine folk at M$ may have re-jigged the MSN protocol (again) - I 
can't log into MSN directly with Kopete or Gaim either.  The guy who sits in 
the cube behind me can connect with the M$-MSN client...just seems to be 
affecting all my non-M$ clients (Jabber/Kopete/Gaim/etc).


Anyone else seeing the same behaviour??

Cheers,

James

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Re: [SLUG] Next ALJ cover disk

[Mark Chandler]

Thanks, Craige. Yep - this has been suggested a couple of times and may 
well be back on the cards if enough people think it's worth having.


I've been running the PPC version on my iBook for a while and really 
like it. Unfortunately, I've got some power issues with the iBook that 
prevent me from using it more often.


My main concern with Hoary is that by the time we get it on the mag and 
on the shelves (probably around September), Breezy will be about to be 
released and Hoary will be old news.


I'd like to see the mag spreading the word and bringing up interesting 
things that Linux-based operating systems can do, but also keeping my 
editor happy by selling lots of copies. :) So, if people are interested 
in seeing Hoary on there, then maybe that's what we need to do.


I've also been thinking about FC4. Seeing as it is still hot out of the 
kiln, it might make a good choice. However, we've already covered two 
Red Hat distros in the ALJs and I'd like to see more Debian-based stuff 
in there.


But how about the other question: DVDs or CDs? Does is matter anymore?

Craige McWhirter wrote:

On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:43 +1000, Mark Chandler wrote:


So far, we've thought that either a live distro, like Knoppix 3.9, or a 
full-blown distro, like the latest Debian stable, would make good choices.



How about the Ubuntu live CD or the Ubuntu install CD, which IIRC,
either one or both also has a copy of the Open CD so windows users can
have a play with Free Software.

Have a play with them and see.

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[SLUG] Next ALJ cover disk

[Mark Chandler]

Hi all,

I'm a contributor to the Australian Linux Journal. We're in the middle 
of planning the next issue and are trying to decide on a cover disk, and 
thought it would be good to get the opinions of some Sluggers.


So far, we've thought that either a live distro, like Knoppix 3.9, or a 
full-blown distro, like the latest Debian stable, would make good choices.


Our concerns so far are that although Debian 3.1 would be a good choice, 
it would probably have to be the DVD version, and this might alienate 
people that still only have CD drives. The flipside of this is that 
providing just a CD might mean that a lot of packages would need to be 
downloaded from the Internet. This would be frustrating to dial-up users.


Relevancy is also an issue for us. The magazine won't be available for 
at least another couple of months, so what we pick now will still need 
to be interesting then.


Any thoughts or comments would be gratefully received. :)

Mark C.
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