Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:18, Stuart Guthrie wrote: It's an tricky area. too right!! If I employed a person and found all/some of the work I paid them to write ended up in an OSS project they were also part of, I might be rightfully upset. well I believe this is actually theft.. if you lift a source directory from your employer and it magically becomes part of an OSS project (or your own proprietary project) without their permission then you have really stolen the code.. if you go to work and during some downtime you start coding OSS (or your own proprietary project) stuff without you employer's permission then surely this is a form of theft also.. after all you are being paid to work for your employer.. on the other hand if while you are at work and you learn a technique that allows you to write faster, leaner, more maintainable and more efficient code and you take this technique home and write a routine incorporating this technique, because you have coded it from scratch, is this still theft? is this technique you have learnt while in the employ of your employer your employer's IP or a 'trick of the trade' that you have been taught? where is the line drawn, is it drawn at the 'hey, you work for me now, you can't even turn on a PC unless I say so because I taught you how to do that!!' or is it the 'hey, see the way that order detail screen interacts with that order header, that looks very much like the one you wrote for us last month'.. are all of these 'tricks of the trade', the experiences you have during your working career part of what makes you a proficient tradesman (an IT resource)? can a company (or anyone for that matter) restrict your trade? one of the things that did come out of the superleague debacle all those years ago was that although all of those 1st grade players had iron-clad contracts with the ARL, when those contracts were put to test against the provisions of the trade practices act, well.. we had superleague and now we have NRL.. stealing code (even code your employer has paid you to write).. well that has to be theft.. stealing your employers time.. not much difference there.. implementing a programming technique (trick of the trade).. that is very tricky.. On the other hand, having employees learn and develop on OSS projects makes them much better employees. I would want all development, support and testers to also contribute back somewhere in the process. Tricks learnt in their own free time are just as applicable to corpname as to the OSS project. I would never want to discourage that work. I would probably be more than happy with parts of an application they were writing being used in OSS projects but parts definately off-limits. That is unless I can finally resolve a decent business model for an OSS software business application house. eg. Order Entry App. Tricky but generic print routine - OSS OK Specific Order Entry Screen - Not OSS OK Framework for dev - maybe/maybe not OSS OK See the mess? Solution: Potentially libraries (jars) are used to funnel the OSS from the proprietary. This of course prohibits embedding GPL libs in the app but enables LGPL or BSD style. (I think) The whole business model for a 'software house' is not necessarily there in FOSS/OSS yet. Please, please contradict me. Just some thoughts. Stu On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 10:02, Del wrote: Michael Knight wrote: Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Then you should (a) not have signed that contract, and (b) check to see if it's enforceable. I suspect it is, which is why I've declined to sign such contracts in the past. Also if your boss has an assumption that it covers out of hours work on your own projects, that assumption needs to be tested legally before you do any open source work, or any other work of any kind, including reading or posting to this mailing list! Yes, the possibility is that if someone posts a technical question on this mailing list, and you post a good answer, that answer becomes the property of your boss, as does any invention that arises from that answer, even if developed by someone else, even if they have not read your answer. I'd go talk to Brendan Scott from Open Source Law: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might cost you money but it might save your arse. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Out of Office AutoReply: Delivery Server
For the archive.. I couldn't make vacation on fedora.. I couldn't find holiday on google, freshmeat or sourceforge.. I settled on autoreply (http://www.nemeton.com.au/sw/autoreply) by Giles Lean. Good documentation resulted in pretty simple setup.. I went for the modification of the user's .forward file. Thanks for steering me in the right path :) Paul On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 11:22, Dave Kempe wrote: Mike MacCana wrote: run a shell. 'Holiday' is a replacement that works fine all the time. GIYF. got a link for that mike? freshmeat and google turn up nothing dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Out of Office AutoReply: Delivery Server
It's an omen.. But this one looks like it was generated by a Microsoft server.. Does anyone know how to create one of these for Linux/PostFix setup, or is there something else I should be tinkering with? Paul On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 08:18, Lambrecht, Wim (NL - Amsterdam) wrote: Currently I am out of the office and occasionally be able to read and answer my e-mails. I will be back again on Tuesday April 20th 2004. For urgent matters please call Esther Stalman at +31 20 5825421 best regards WIM This e-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimer published at the following website of Deloitte : http://www.deloitte.com/nl/disclaimer __ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Shared Calendar and Groupware Server
There is also Tutos, was originally sort of written as production support solution.. Demo at www.tutos.org Paul On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 14:49, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 03:49:21PM +1100, Kevin Fitzgerald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi All I have a situation where I have a few Techs situated around the country that all need to access a Shared Calendar/Job Logging system so we can all see what Jobs are in action and what Techs are working WHat days. I have heard mention that there is such a beast as part of the e-smith server, does anyone else know of anything that may be of use to me? It needs to be free, and something I can install on an internet server so all my Techs have access from the web. I appreciate any suggestions and URL's I did that a while back! back then there wasnt much around and the stuff what was around didnt suit us, so I wrote one. It is still in developemnt (when we get around it as we have 5 projects running in the moment) and if I can get some help I would make it GNU and somewhere on SourceForge/Freshmeat/whatever. I wanted to do this for a while ... so today I removed ALL our data entries, moved it across to a public server (this database is on one of our internal servers) and killed all the users. I added 1 company, i contact and 1 user: user: sample pwd: sample21 It should be pretty ovious what can be done. It has a context sensitive help system and a help intro. Here it is. http://piquet.barrett.com.au/DataBases/Contacts/index.php The deal is, treat it with respect, it not, its gone. If I get some help, I make it OpenSource/GNU. jobst -- The email address in this email is used for Mailing Lists Only. Please reply ONLY to the list email address, do not reply to the email directly. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?
I don't have a commonwealth bank account but earlier today I was sent 4 scam emails that looked like official comm bank emails asking me to confirm my userid and password.. On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 20:22, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy wrote: One final note: THAT BANK is about the only bank that seems to require a Java client. I'm damn sure I have no java support on my laptop and I use CBA netbank at least twice a week. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Desktop and Panel Icons Kangarred
I kicked the power lead out of my RH9 development box yesterday and since then the desktop and panel icons on the gnome desktop are broken.. No panel icons and the system's desktop icons are replaced with blank page icon.. Anyone seen this before and has a remedy? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix, SMTP, ipchains firwall or postfix.conf ?
I think postfix installs as listening to loacl host only.. Try going to: /etc/postfix/main.cf Comment out: inet_interfaces = localhost and uncomment inet_interfaces = all Paul On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:59, Voytek Eymont wrote: I'm trying to setup/config Postfix on RH73 (one small step at a time); I can sent mail out from the host, but, am struggling to make it recieve anything external; from command line on the server itself , I can see Postfix is waiting: # telnet myserver.sbt.net.au 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to myserver.sbt.net.au. Escape character is '^]'. 220 myserver.sbt.net.au ESMTP Postfix ehlo roman.sbt.net.au 250-myserver.sbt.net.au 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 1024 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-XVERP 250 8BITMIME quit 221 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. BUT, If i try to telnet from another host on same LAN, I get 'connection refused' I am not sure if it's my ipchains firewall ? or, Postfix setup ? is this ipchains OK for smtp ? :input ACCEPT :forward ACCEPT :output ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 3306 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 1 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 25 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 80 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 21 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 22 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 23 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 67:68 -d 0/0 67:68 -p udp -i eth0 -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 67:68 -d 0/0 67:68 -p udp -i eth1 -j ACCEPT -A input -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -i lo -j ACCEPT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -y -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -y -j REJECT -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 0:1023 -j REJECT -A input -p udp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 2049 -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 6000:6009 -y -j REJECT -A input -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 7100 -y -j REJECT Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache SSL
This is the technique I used to self sign certs.. http://www.cs.uwa.edu.au/~ryan/tech/certificates.html Of course I am not trying to instill confidence in my user base (i.e.. they are not attempting to transfer money across any of my secure sites). I guess if you are handling money then you should be making it so you might want to buy a certificate from a marketing prospective (i.e.. piece of mind for the user base). hrmmm.. I just deleted an 8 paragraph rant about the legitamacy of agencies that collect money for this type of service :) hope this helps Paul On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 13:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:38:00 Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this Apache on RH73 [Sun Jul 20 04:02:04 2003] [notice] Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_py thon/2.7.8 Python/1.5.2 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_pe rl/1.26 mod_throttle/3.1.2 the 'mod_ssl', 'OpenSSL' part: does that mean I can have https/SSL with this ? Yes, you can. Have you just tried to connect to your machine with https? It might work already. You might get warnings that 1. the certificate is not trusted, 2. the name doesn't match the name on the certificate and 3. that the certificate might be out of date, but if you (or anyone connecting) ignores these warnings, you can still use it. You only need to pay money to someone to get rid of warning 1. There's a lot of howtos on the net to fix 2 and 3, including the docs distributed with mod_ssl and openssl. Regards, Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
