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2001-02-15 Thread Michael Lake

Jon Biddell wrote:
> Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows
> was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker).

Is that true? I had Windows 1.0 at home (still have the disks) and also
had Desqview which was far superior. I thought Windows 1.0 was written
by M$ and not a purchased aquisition.
Lets not make this a long thread as its a bit OT.

Mike
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RE: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Jill Rowling

I think it was a small BASIC interpreter that ran in a ROM.
Which brings us back to the title of the subject, of course... .vbs

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> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves..


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread DaZZa

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:

> 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they 
> could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the 
> "standard" because people liked it.

Not true. Microsoft brought pressure to bear against major PC
manufacturers to force sale of the Windows "Operating System" to be
bundled with sold PC's. That was proven conclusively in the case in the
US.

People weren't offered a choice - witness the "I wanna buy a laptop
without Windows on it" case which was discussed on SLUG a couple of years
ago - it was almost impossible to get the manufacturers/retailers to sell
PC's without Windows - and even if they did, you didn't get any money off
for not buying it!

DaZZa


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Chris Barnes

They are getting so desperate that they have to produce more than just 
software. Thats why They've put out their competetor to Sony's Playstation 
2, and thats why they released Windows CE...to compete with the Palm Pilot. 
Soon they will be getting so desperate they will be trying to compete with 
Ford and Holden to make the fastest,safest, and most user friendly family 
vehicle and right down the sides it will have written "Where do you want to 
go today".

Its not in Microsofts nature to think for them selves...they always wait 
until someone else comes up with an idea, they steal it but make it bigger, 
better, faster, smaller, quieter, louder, safer.

I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves..

Chris Barnes
System Support Officer
RAMS Home Loans Pty Ltd.

- Original Message -
Date: Fri  February 16, 2001  12:48 AM
From: Ian Tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: SLUG Mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:
> 
> > 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they
> > could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the
> > "standard" because people liked it.
> 
> Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put
> illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the
> price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this
> helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as
> you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at
> least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as
> "consumers liked it".

The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on
OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide
explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications
with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer
has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade
often, if ever.

We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries
up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices
and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out
after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places
like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Chris Barnes

They are getting so desperate that they have to produce more than just 
software. Thats why They've put out their competetor to Sony's Playstation 
2, and thats why they released Windows CE...to compete with the Palm Pilot. 
Soon they will be getting so desperate they will be trying to compete with 
Ford and Holden to make the fastest,safest, and most user friendly family 
vehicle and right down the sides it will have written "Where do you want to 
go today".

Its not in Microsofts nature to think for them selves...they always wait 
until someone else comes up with an idea, they steal it but make it bigger, 
better, faster, smaller, quieter, louder, safer.

I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves..


- Original Message -
Date: Fri  February 16, 2001  12:48 AM
From: Ian Tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: SLUG Mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:
> 
> > 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they
> > could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the
> > "standard" because people liked it.
> 
> Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put
> illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the
> price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this
> helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as
> you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at
> least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as
> "consumers liked it".

The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on
OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide
explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications
with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer
has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade
often, if ever.

We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries
up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices
and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out
after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places
like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Ian Tester

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:
> 
> > 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they
> > could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the
> > "standard" because people liked it.
> 
> Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put
> illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the
> price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this
> helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as
> you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at
> least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as
> "consumers liked it".

The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on
OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide
explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications
with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer
has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade
often, if ever.

We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries
up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices
and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out
after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places
like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Jon Biddell

At 10:02 PM 15/02/01 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a
> > loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need
> > for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of
> > things unless they really REALLY want to go  there.
>
>Seen the pictures of Windows XP? Another idiotic name.

No, where can I see them ?  Couldn't find them on M$ site


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Jeff Waugh



> people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a
> loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need
> for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of
> things unless they really REALLY want to go  there.

Seen the pictures of Windows XP? Another idiotic name.

I honestly thought we'd get to that point sooner, given the interest in
embedded device interfaces, etc. I didn't think MS would tune in so fast.

One thing they're missing in all of this is X. It may have been seen as an
Achilles Heel for some time, but with constant improvements and many more
reasons to use the remote display stuff, we can cause some grief if we use
it right. :)

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Martin

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:

> 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they
> could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the
> "standard" because people liked it.

Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put
illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the
price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this
helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as
you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at
least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as
"consumers liked it".

> Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows
> was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker).
> When WordPerfect came to them and said "We like your O/S - we want to make
> our software run under it", M$ should have said "No, we sell WORD as a WP
> program - go write your own GUI - in fact, we'll make damn sure it WON'T
> run under Windows".  Yes, they wpould have been relying on the "strength"
> of Word to win over WP users.
>
> Nothing illegal in that

Maybe not in this country, but in the US there is plenty illegal about
it. They did a less harsh version of that to Netscape, and that was
definately ruled illegal.

cheers,

Martin


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-15 Thread Jon Biddell


>So a lot of smaller companies will innovate to a much higher extend that 
>one large company
>because each of the companies has their way of doing things.
>
>This is what really gets me.
>We have been standing still or even have been going backwards for years now.
>I cant even imagine where we might be without Micorsofts politics .

1. Microsoft has never been, or ever will be, a "software company" - they 
are a MARKETING company, and a damn successful one (definition: success = 
$$$ > 0)

2. They buy up other companies, not to prevent competition (which is the 
ultimate result, I admit), but to own successful products.

3. They then fsck up those products (FrontPage 1.0 by Vemeer was a great 
piece of software - when M$ got their teeth into it, it turned into crap).

4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they 
could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc.  Windows became the 
"standard" because people liked it.

Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows 
was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker). 
When WordPerfect came to them and said "We like your O/S - we want to make 
our software run under it", M$ should have said "No, we sell WORD as a WP 
program - go write your own GUI - in fact, we'll make damn sure it WON'T 
run under Windows".  Yes, they wpould have been relying on the "strength" 
of Word to win over WP users.

Nothing illegal in that

But where M$ will never succeed is with the likes of the average SLUG user 
(i.e. people who WANT to learn about their O/S and want to "improve" it) - 
the average punter wants to turn his computer on and process words, surf 
the net, etc. Doesn't want to know about device drivers, INI files, etc.

people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a 
loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need 
for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of things 
unless they really REALLY want to go  there.

Jon




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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Jobst Schmalenbach

On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:54:13AM +1100, Crossfire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Jobst Schmalenbach was once rumoured to have said:
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> > >   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> > > to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> > > so benign!
> > >   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> > 
> > It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh
> > 
> > > script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
> > 
> > As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
> > to be used.
> 
> Yes, but this is the wrong direction - you obviously missed maddog's
> keynote at LCA.
> 
> Maddog highlighted several points which I've been thinking for some
> time - people want to use something that is simple and easy to use -
> they don't want to have to think.
> 
> Computing Eliteism will not win the platform war for anybody.  
> 
> Things need to make sense, they need to be consistant.  It should be
> entirely possible to build a system where basic/introductary users
> can't burn their fingers easily, but advanced/experienced users can
> disable the safety net.


A problem is that Microsoft is trying to tell the user that you
can do everything yourself:

 * changing the operating system,
 * applying service packs
 * changing hardware
 * adding/taking out hardware

but fail to observe that the average Mr. John Bloggs cant do that and
still trying to make their operating systems to go that way.
That is the same as you have a Merc and you:

 * change the carburettor
 * change the clutch
 * add a compressor
 * change brakes

Most people bring the car to a garage and they are NOT told by the manufacturer
of the software "running" the car that they can "do it yourself".
Lets assume you have a nice and real expensive fast car.
You wouldnt bring it to a company where the guy in the workshop has the
alternative of some of Microsofts MC** stuff, would you and neither would
anybody else ..



Furthermore if a company can decide that what the current standard is (eg HTML and IE) 
than something is terribly wrong.

Furthermore if a company decides to be innovative just to make it different (a 
difference???) 
to anybody else something is terribly wrong.



And one of the biggest problems we have has to do with the philosophy of *ANY* company.
If you work for a company you adhere to the philosophy/standards/products/marketing of 
THAT 
company. Now if a compnay grows really really large than everybody within that company 
follows
that philosophy (speak tunnel view).

So a lot of smaller companies will innovate to a much higher extend that one large 
company
because each of the companies has their way of doing things.

This is what really gets me.
We have been standing still or even have been going backwards for years now.
I cant even imagine where we might be without Micorsofts politics .




jobst



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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Crossfire

Jobst Schmalenbach was once rumoured to have said:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> >   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> > to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> > so benign!
> >   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> 
> It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh
> 
> > script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
> 
> As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
> to be used.

Yes, but this is the wrong direction - you obviously missed maddog's
keynote at LCA.

Maddog highlighted several points which I've been thinking for some
time - people want to use something that is simple and easy to use -
they don't want to have to think.

Computing Eliteism will not win the platform war for anybody.  

Things need to make sense, they need to be consistant.  It should be
entirely possible to build a system where basic/introductary users
can't burn their fingers easily, but advanced/experienced users can
disable the safety net.

M$ got this point the wrong way around.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Jobst Schmalenbach

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> > 
> > > To clean the virus:
> > > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> > >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
> 
> All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
> insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)
> 
>   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> so benign!
>   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl

It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh

> script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.

As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
to be used.



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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Martin

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Mike Holland wrote:

> > begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> >
> > > To clean the virus:
> > > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> > >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
>
> All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
> insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)
>
>   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> so benign!
>   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.

That's just not true, and blaming the user is a poor response. There
will always be some users who are newer or more ignorant than others,
and intelligent programmers understand that. Microsoft, as part of their
UI for mail (something they insist they pay very careful attention to)
have chosen to blur the lines between running executable code and
opening images, etc. This is an easy UI for beginners if you never get
sent a worm or virus, but leads inevitably to infection in a networked
environment. Even a proportion of skilled users click without thinking at
times, as we saw on this list. It's simply a poor choice in UI design.

You can probably find an email program for Linux that runs Perl scripts
in one click with the same user actions as opening an image, but IMO,
that would be a mail program with an appallingly badly designed UI, and
near non-existent security. One action (opening the image) has only
trivial implications for security, the other is an act of complete trust
in a possibly unknown user. They should be actions that present as
fundamentally different things to the user, and if they don't, you'll
always be fighting an uphill battle to convince users that they are
different, because the sameness of them is self evident.

So there is a lot of scope here to blame microsoft, not because they
have bugs that lead to security holes (don't we all, can anyone say
bind), but because here the UI carefully designs in a security problem,
and they have declined to fix it. The nasty thing about it is that this
well understood problem affects everyone on the net, who is subjected to
the worm generated traffic, M$ user or not. BTW, if you can find other
companies who have similar problems with their email clients, this
criticism applies equally to them, but that does not absolve M$ from
it. And I haven't even discussed issues like running as user giving
protection from the actions of a potentially more hostile version of
this worm.

Sorry about the rant, but it really annoys me when people look at a UI
designed for beginners, and then criticise the beginners for the flaws
in the UI. Even if you train this lot of beginners, there will always be
new ones coming through.

cheers,

Martin








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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Julian Pringle

>> Mike Holland wrote:
 
>  And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
>script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
>
And spare a thought for those of us still in transition and running W*s.  The only 
benefit was that McAfee actually detected the thing. First virus ever, and I was on 
the verge of scrapping VirusScan as a waste of time.

Julian Pringle 

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Mike Holland

> begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> 
> > To clean the virus:
> > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)

  Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
so benign!
  And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Jeff Waugh



> Windoze uninfection details thanks to AVP Australia...

BBBEE!!1

:) - Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread Rodos

begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001

> To clean the virus:
> 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
>  " Here you have, ;o) "
> 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

Or a much better solution, delete your windows partition and install
a decend operating system, like Linux!

Rodos

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[SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

2001-02-13 Thread tom burkart

Windoze uninfection details thanks to AVP Australia...

=
1.  Virus creates a registry key under:
 HKEY_Current_User\Software\OnTheFly

2.  Text of the above registry key is: "Worm made with Vbswg 1.50b".

3.  After sending emails to all users in Outlook address list, the value
 of this registry key is set to "1".  Afterwards, the virus will not send
 any more emails.

4.  Saves virus to C:\%WindowsDirectory%\AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

5.  Creates email message and sends to all users on available address
 lists (creates individual emails, not a group send).  Attaches the file
 saved in step 4 above, then deletes
 C:\%WindowsDirectory%\AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
 after sending all emails.

6.  On January 26, it opens a browser window with the website
 www.dynabyte.nl



To clean the virus:

1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
 " Here you have, ;o) "

2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.

3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
=


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