Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Ken Yap generated: >It's probably that the 100 Mb NICs can't autonegotiate without a hub to >talk to. You could try specifying the media in the modprobe line, but >with hubs so cheap, it's not worth spending much time on a crossover. Cheers, I'll remember that next time. In this case I jsut got the hub. -- No, I was looking for warez. The pornography was just a useful byproduct. -- Dave Coote -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > Yes, that would certainly do the trick. Depending on your budget and future > plans, you may want to look at getting NICs with BNC connectors on them (as well > - mostly already have RJ45 holes). Then you can string a bunch of computers > together without a hub -- you just have a bunch of BNC T-joins which plug the > stem into the network card and a cable (or a terminator) into each end. Just price coax cable and the T-connectors - you will find them quite pricy. I'd put whatever $ you have towards the hub and not worry about BNC. Many NICs dont have BNCs on then now anyhow. > > I used this solution for quite a while until I could afford a hub. Just another > option. :) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Ken Yap wrote: > It's probably that the 100 Mb NICs can't autonegotiate without a hub to > talk to. You could try specifying the media in the modprobe line, but > with hubs so cheap, it's not worth spending much time on a crossover. I'm running 100Mb Intel NIC's and they will operate at 100MHz FDX on a crossover cable. Similarly, when I had one Acer el cheapo card (Via Rhine chipset) - it would talk at 100MHz with the Intel card... tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
The reason why there are problems like the 3Com90x-tx to a NE2K is usually due to the 3com card in "auto detect" mode where it should be manually set to half duplex and 10Mbit ethernet. I can't guarentee this is the fault but I've seen these cards play up even on a normal switch and had to be set to manual and all was OK. I think they're trying to detect the network it's on and can't. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: chesty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 04:15:11AM +1100, James Wilkinson wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Heracles generated: > > >Depends entirely upon what you want to do. If you are only > >networking two machines together then use a crossover cable > > I just want to make a point that not all NICs like crossovers, I've heard of problems where two nics connected together wouldn't work, manually setting the speed, etc, fixed the problem. Perhaps they were both trying to auto negotiate, or they were both trying to sense a signal on the wire before sending one... "People are making PCI ne2000 clones! Oh the horror, the horror..." (from the kernel source :) I'm using an ISA ne2000's and a PCI ne2000 clone at home and they work, thats all I care about for home use. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 04:15:11AM +1100, James Wilkinson wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Heracles generated: > > >Depends entirely upon what you want to do. If you are only > >networking two machines together then use a crossover cable > > I just want to make a point that not all NICs like crossovers, I've heard of problems where two nics connected together wouldn't work, manually setting the speed, etc, fixed the problem. Perhaps they were both trying to auto negotiate, or they were both trying to sense a signal on the wire before sending one... "People are making PCI ne2000 clones! Oh the horror, the horror..." (from the kernel source :) I'm using an ISA ne2000's and a PCI ne2000 clone at home and they work, thats all I care about for home use. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
>I just want to make a point that not all NICs like crossovers, what with >them being non-standard and all. I've got a 3Com 905C-tx that doesn't >like talking thru a crossover to ISA ne2k's. I think it's probably a >manufacturer thing, but I couldn't get a link thru it. This is with 2 >crossovers, aquired from different locations. Come to think of it, it's >probably the ne2k's that are old enough to have kids who don't do the >crossover thing. It's probably that the 100 Mb NICs can't autonegotiate without a hub to talk to. You could try specifying the media in the modprobe line, but with hubs so cheap, it's not worth spending much time on a crossover. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
I have some of those $55 PCI netgear 10/100 cards. Not had a problem with them since they have been installed. I run 2 of them in my gw. Quoting Ken Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >redhat linux's kudzu hardware detecting tool. ISA cards dont. Also the > pci > >ne2000's are usually < $20. > > For about $20-$25 you can get Skymasters which are Tulip clones and far > better hardware designs than the awful old NE2K. The NE2K PCI is the > main PCI NIC that is not busmastering. > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug > - This mail sent through IMP: utopia.cp2.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Heracles generated: >Depends entirely upon what you want to do. If you are only >networking two machines together then use a crossover cable I just want to make a point that not all NICs like crossovers, what with them being non-standard and all. I've got a 3Com 905C-tx that doesn't like talking thru a crossover to ISA ne2k's. I think it's probably a manufacturer thing, but I couldn't get a link thru it. This is with 2 crossovers, aquired from different locations. Come to think of it, it's probably the ne2k's that are old enough to have kids who don't do the crossover thing. -- No, I was looking for warez. The pornography was just a useful byproduct. -- Dave Coote -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
>redhat linux's kudzu hardware detecting tool. ISA cards dont. Also the pci >ne2000's are usually < $20. For about $20-$25 you can get Skymasters which are Tulip clones and far better hardware designs than the awful old NE2K. The NE2K PCI is the main PCI NIC that is not busmastering. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
Richard Blackburn wrote: > > Thanks to George Viera for the offer of advice for a basic home network. > Well where do we start? Someone just gave me an old 586 box. So what do > I get next? > 2 NIC cards, some cables and hub? > I'd like to try to document this setup for others further down the line. > Richard Depends entirely upon what you want to do. If you are only networking two machines together then use a crossover cable (~$15 for a 5 metre cable) and two NICs at about $25 each for PCI types. If you want a larger network you will need a hub. Make sure you have enough RAM in the 586 - say 64Mb. Other than that, follow the advice in any of the HOW-TOs that apply and the NAG is a fun read also. It is really easy if you get supported cards - you'll see once you start the project. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 06:20:50PM +1100, Richard Blackburn wrote: > Thanks to George Viera for the offer of advice for a basic home network. > Well where do we start? Someone just gave me an old 586 box. So what do > I get next? > 2 NIC cards, some cables and hub? Yes, that would certainly do the trick. Depending on your budget and future plans, you may want to look at getting NICs with BNC connectors on them (as well - mostly already have RJ45 holes). Then you can string a bunch of computers together without a hub -- you just have a bunch of BNC T-joins which plug the stem into the network card and a cable (or a terminator) into each end. I used this solution for quite a while until I could afford a hub. Just another option. :) > I'd like to try to document this setup for others further down the line. Good idea! Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Beginners Home Network
> Thanks to George Viera for the offer of advice for a basic home network. > Well where do we start? Someone just gave me an old 586 box. So what do > I get next? > 2 NIC cards, some cables and hub? > I'd like to try to document this setup for others further down the line. What do you want the network to do ? Play games, 1 machine shares internet access ? etc ? Enough nics for the machines is a good start, if you go to the north rocks markets on a sunday you can pick up cabling, hubs and nic's for a good price. If you only want 10mb nics make sure to get pci ne2000 clones, i've never seen one of these that wasn't a realtek card, and they work really nicely under linux. Of course anything by 3com or intel is probably good as well, but only get PCI network cards(assuming you have spare pci slots in the machines). Some people might quibble about this advice, but trust me, pci network cards get auto detected under windows, and under redhat linux's kudzu hardware detecting tool. ISA cards dont. Also the pci ne2000's are usually < $20. I got an 18 port 10Mb hub at the markets for $50, so have a look around. There all pretty much the same. Cable again, look for a good price, its all pretty much the same. That should get you started. Get all of the cards installed and configured, and try pinging across the network. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Beginners Home Network
Thanks to George Viera for the offer of advice for a basic home network. Well where do we start? Someone just gave me an old 586 box. So what do I get next? 2 NIC cards, some cables and hub? I'd like to try to document this setup for others further down the line. Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
