Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread Marghanita da Cruz

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:

Hi folks.

I'm building a simple web site for a mate of mine who's made a film 
that's just hitting the festival circuit.  I want it to be pretty basic, 
with just a few pages and a blog that he can update.


I use blosxom because it's bloody simple, but it required me to write in 
HTML.  I'll need to get something that he can write in himself, and 
include links and images probably.


maybe even a video clip?



So does anyone have any recommendations?


Is there a reason you aren't going with
https://www2.blogger.com/start?hl=en

my own reservations were to do with making it part of a bigger website.



Requirements
* Ability for non-technical user to enter stuff
* Can switch between plain text and HTML for markup
* Can include links and images in posts
* Easily integrated in another design without using frames

Desirable
* Has a .deb or is uber-simple to install and maintain
* Not written in PHP
* Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week
* Doesn't need a database
* If it needs a database, can work with sqlite
* Comments with some form of comment spam control
* Has a critical announcements email list/RSS feed for when security 
  holes are found.   I'm looking at you phpBB (though they now have an 
  RSS feed).





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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

 maybe even a video clip?

Of course.  And I may well be asking questions about Flash Video in the 
future.  (Then again, I might just use YouTube).

 Is there a reason you aren't going with
 https://www2.blogger.com/start?hl=en
 
 my own reservations were to do with making it part of a bigger website.

The same reservations as yours.  Blogger _used_ to ftp its stuff onto 
your site.  Leaving beside the security implications, that would at 
least work, but now it all seems to be geared around hosted blogs.

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread Dave Kempe

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:

So does anyone have any recommendations?



stick with blosxom, but get a decent html editor with web site 
publishing? nvu might be decent


dave



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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread rich

Quoting Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Both Perl and Python have various things to discourage bad programming
by default.

The biggest example is probably SQL placeholders, which pretty much
remove any chance of SQL injections attack in one fell swoop.

I know for DBI it's very difficult to do any non-trivial work without
using them.



PHP has PDO (which I'm talking about at May's Sydney PHP users group meeting).



Wasn't going to reply at all (risking a flamewar) but the PERL pushed
me over the edge :)



I wasn't actually attacking PERL or Python (many years ago I was a  
PERL programmer). I was trying to point out that the obsession with  
calling applications phpFoozle instead of Foozle coupled with a  
large base of novice programmers means you see lots security alerts  
with PHP in the title that aren't problems with PHP.


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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Dave Kempe wrote:

 stick with blosxom, but get a decent html editor with web site 
 publishing? nvu might be decent

No chance.  It's gotta be modifiable by a complete novice, inside a web 
browser.

Currently looking at Serendipity.  It supports Postgresql, Mysql and 
sqlite -- which demonstrates a level of cluefulness above and beyond the 
average PHP application.

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread Michael Chesterton
Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This one time, at band camp, Dave Kempe wrote:

 stick with blosxom, but get a decent html editor with web site 
 publishing? nvu might be decent

 No chance.  It's gotta be modifiable by a complete novice, inside a web 
 browser.

I've never used them, but there are javascript html WYSIWYG editors.
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-19 Thread David Gillies
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Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
 Hi folks.
 
 I'm building a simple web site for a mate of mine who's made a film 
 that's just hitting the festival circuit.  I want it to be pretty basic, 
 with just a few pages and a blog that he can update.
 
 I use blosxom because it's bloody simple, but it required me to write in 
 HTML.  I'll need to get something that he can write in himself, and 
 include links and images probably.
 
 So does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 Requirements
 * Ability for non-technical user to enter stuff
 * Can switch between plain text and HTML for markup
 * Can include links and images in posts
 * Easily integrated in another design without using frames
 
 Desirable
 * Has a .deb or is uber-simple to install and maintain
 * Not written in PHP
 * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week
 * Doesn't need a database
 * If it needs a database, can work with sqlite
 * Comments with some form of comment spam control
 * Has a critical announcements email list/RSS feed for when security 
   holes are found.   I'm looking at you phpBB (though they now have an 
   RSS feed).
 

It doesn't fit all your requirement, but I found Project Steve
Guttenberg good for installations where you don't want databases:

http://www.projectsteveguttenberg.org/about.php

It's written in php though. It easy to install and configure. I used it
for my first blog back in 2002 and it was being developed before that,
so its pretty stable.

Also it doesn't have 'php' in its name ;-)

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[SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
Hi folks.

I'm building a simple web site for a mate of mine who's made a film 
that's just hitting the festival circuit.  I want it to be pretty basic, 
with just a few pages and a blog that he can update.

I use blosxom because it's bloody simple, but it required me to write in 
HTML.  I'll need to get something that he can write in himself, and 
include links and images probably.

So does anyone have any recommendations?

Requirements
* Ability for non-technical user to enter stuff
* Can switch between plain text and HTML for markup
* Can include links and images in posts
* Easily integrated in another design without using frames

Desirable
* Has a .deb or is uber-simple to install and maintain
* Not written in PHP
* Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week
* Doesn't need a database
* If it needs a database, can work with sqlite
* Comments with some form of comment spam control
* Has a critical announcements email list/RSS feed for when security 
  holes are found.   I'm looking at you phpBB (though they now have an 
  RSS feed).

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Sonia Hamilton
* On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:06:43AM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
 * Not written in PHP
 * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week

Rather limits your choices... I presume Ruby/Rails is too trendy, what
about Python?

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote:
 * On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:06:43AM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
  * Not written in PHP
  * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week
 
 Rather limits your choices... I presume Ruby/Rails is too trendy, what
 about Python?

These are under the desirable heading.

PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code.  Ruby 
might be okay, presuming it's in a .deb, but otherwise I wouldn't have 
the foggiest where to start.  Python is almost looking mature these 
days!  gasp

Feel free to recommend things that don't meet all the desirables.  I 
suspect I'll have to compromise because there aren't many blogging tools 
that don't use databases, are written in Perl and have the features I 
mentioned.

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread rich

Quoting Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code.


If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their  
programs PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look  
just as bad.



Feel free to recommend things that don't meet all the desirables.  I
suspect I'll have to compromise because there aren't many blogging tools
that don't use databases, are written in Perl and have the features I
mentioned.


WordPress.

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their  
 programs PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look  
 just as bad.

Matt's script archive anyone?

 WordPress.

The unholy marriage PHP _and_ MySQL kinda writes it off for me.  A toy 
programming language married to a toy database.  Yes I'm bigotted, but 
this is my server and I'm allowed ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Kennedy



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code.


If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their programs 
PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look just as bad.
Both Perl and Python have various things to discourage bad programming 
by default.


The biggest example is probably SQL placeholders, which pretty much 
remove any chance of SQL injections attack in one fell swoop.


I know for DBI it's very difficult to do any non-trivial work without 
using them.


Wasn't going to reply at all (risking a flamewar) but the PERL pushed 
me over the edge :)


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[SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Leslie Katz
I'm using the tumblr software. Look at my blog (address below). It's 
very simple to use and would certainly meet at least some of your 
requirements, if not all.


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Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations

2007-04-18 Thread Amos Shapira

On 19/04/07, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The biggest example is probably SQL placeholders, which pretty much
remove any chance of SQL injections attack in one fell swoop.

I know for DBI it's very difficult to do any non-trivial work without
using them.


I was just bitten (again) by the lack of support for these in the
MS-SQL DBI interface.
Is there another implementation which allows using place holders with
MS SQL (2005)?

Thanks,

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