Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
quote who="Arunava Sen" Just one more thing usb mouse... how did you set it up? and what kernel and distro(if any) are you using? You're supposed to tell *us* those things! ;) Kernel: 2.4.0-test9 i686 X: XFree86 4.0.1 Distro: Debian woody I can't see why this would be different with the backported USB patches for the 2.2 kernels. /dev/mouse is softlinked to /dev/input/mice. You will probably have to create that device as described in the kernel USB documentation. The following section is in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "BaudRate" "1200" Option "Resolution" "200" Option "Buttons" "7" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Works very yummily, and there's nothing like the flaming bum of an Intellimouse Explorer lighting up the room at 3 in the morning. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- It's depressing to see such useful code wasted on such a useless license. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
Im running Dean-Hat(tm) linux Linux version 2.2.17pre16 i have in my kernel agpgart 3dfx i2c (cvs) lmsensors (cvs) v3tv (cvs) alsa 5.9d i used to have ali-ide and usb but they are now in the 2.2.x kernels Ive also been meaning to put ext3 in. X3.3.6 (i like UT, what can i say?) just get kernel 2.2.17 and compile in usb i would recommend just compiling it all the way in keyboard and mouse support, and making everything else modules. That will save you some fiddle and since mouse and keyboards are all from the same drivers anyway, i dont see any real reason not to. asuuming your using make xconfig help the little help button thingy and it tells you how to mknod the devices youll need to add none/proc/bus/usb usbdevfsdefaults 0 0 to /etc/fstab also if you wana just save yourself the effort, you can just put it on usb or get an rpm kernel (rh7 kernels have usb...) X 3.3.6 is max 5 buttons i believe, two of which are consumed by mouse scrolling. X4 has better mouse support. X apparently only requires three buttons (as in the standard kinda thing) So in X for me, the two side buttons are just clones. Ill go to X4 when glide 2 gets ported sometime soon hopefully Dean Arunava Sen wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: The MS Intellimouse is a damned good mouse. Who cares abou their software writing skills. They should throw out all that and make peripherals. Logitech makes nice mice also, but im in love with the IM explorer. Works well in linux, esp. on usb (something that windows 95 would never do for me). the side buttons are just buttons 2 and 3 for me though... Do you mean that the side buttons are just useless clones of the left and right buttons? This is exactly what I was scared of. Thanks for responding to my post. Just one more thing usb mouse... how did you set it up? and what kernel and distro(if any) are you using? Thanks in advance Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
Dean Hamstead wrote: X 3.3.6 is max 5 buttons i believe, two of which are consumed by mouse scrolling. X4 has better mouse support. X apparently only requires three buttons (as in the standard kinda thing) So in X for me, the two side buttons are just clones. Thanks for all the info. Clears up all my questions. I think i'll take a risk and see if the side buttons work independently for me in XF4.0.1. Thanks again Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Arunava Sen generated: So if you have either the "Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer" or the "Microsoft Intellimouse Web" and can confirm side-button finctionality it will be much appreciated. (the explorer is the fully expensive optical one) When I was setting mine up, all the docs said that XFree 4 supported the 6 and 7th buttons on the side of the IM Explorer. I only use XFree 3.3.6, so I've jsut got the scrolly wheel going. There are tons of docs telling you how to set up your applications for use with them, and I can find good uses for the side buttons in Q3 :) -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Terry Collins generated: P.S. Does anyone of know of any Linux mp3's I find my mp3s play well on most platforms, not just Linux ;) -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Arunava Sen generated: Do you mean that the side buttons are just useless clones of the left and right buttons? This is exactly what I was scared of. Thanks for responding to my post. Not afaik. It depends on your xserver. 3.3.6 only supports a maximum of 5 buttons, this is Left(1), Middle(2), Right(3), Scroll Up(4), Scroll Down(5). in XFree 4.0 you got your extra side buttons, 6 and 7 in the config. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X - Update
Hello, As you could tell, I wanted the MS optical mouse just for its side buttons. And I wanted those just for quake3. From all the responses regarding this matter, the side-button functionality under X doesnt seem too promising. So I called up a (windows user) friend of mine who has one of these apparently, the side buttons dont work even in windows (except for a few MS apps like IE5)... windows quake3 wont detect button presses from the side buttons etc. Hence, X support for these side-buttons seem out of the question. So what so I do? Slashdot to the rescue! They have this cool article about the best damned aussie product I've ever seen... http://www.claw.com.au/ (and a LinuxWorld review - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article.php3?aid=102tid=1) Because these babies are a purely hardware solution, I dont have to worry about Linux support perfect for my Linuxquaking needs :) I'll see if I can pick one of them up this Thursday. Sorry if this seems like an off-topic post but heaps of people responded with useful info and it seemed only fair to inform them of my final choice. Thanks Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X - Update
Arunava Sen wrote:
Hence, X support for these side-buttons seem out of the
question.
I thought all buttons after 3 were software dependant anyway, which is
what makes most of them pretty useless.
So what so I do? Slashdot to the rescue!
They have this cool article about the best damned aussie product I've ever
seen... http://www.claw.com.au/
Hey - something for the Lefties - Rock On! {:-)
I really loved the conditional lines about replacing your keyboard (for
3D games ) because it will be faster!!!. I suspect this might be on the
three main buttons, but definitely not on your pinkie or a thumb faced
with four positions.
If you really want to contribute something in development, look at
tablets. An overlay/app converts these into the biggest multibutton
mouse around and I believe they are pressure sensitive now (brush stroke
stuff becomes direction and acceleration). That to me seems far more
intuitive that an army of mice with individual button arrangements.
Just my 2c
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Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X - Update
As you could tell, I wanted the MS optical mouse just for its side buttons. And I wanted those just for quake3. From all the responses regarding this matter, the side-button functionality under X doesnt seem too promising. So I called up a (windows user) friend of mine who has one of these apparently, the side buttons dont work even in windows (except for a few MS apps like IE5)... windows quake3 wont detect button presses from the side buttons etc. Hence, X support for these side-buttons seem out of the question. The buttons work in x4, and if you want it for q3 then x4 is the way to go anyway. In windows you bind the buttons to events, so all apps can use them, in a very similar way to X. Also if the game just gets events from the underlying API, then it should support anything the API does (quake 1 and 2's reliance on svgalib is an example). THe extra buttons dont do anyhing in windows without the imouse drivers which makes sense soory for the OT Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
quote who="Arunava Sen" Thanks for all the info. Clears up all my questions. I think i'll take a risk and see if the side buttons work independently for me in XF4.0.1. They seem to be clones for me too, in XFree86 4.0.1, but that's probably more to do with my lack of familiarity with all the new X stuff (and lack of time and sufficient interest to fix it). If you succeed, please post to the list. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
Hi, For a while i had the OEM MS wheely mouse. It used the IMPS/2 mouse protocol and the wheel worked and everything excellent quake3 tool :). Unfortunately, it died for no apparent reason an I have been using a $5 serial mouse. But I've been having a look at some of the new MS mice and they look awesome. The only reason I'd buy one of these and not the el-cheapo MS wheely is the extra side buttons. I am fairly sure the wheel would work using the imps/2 mouse protocol in X. But what i need to know is if the extra side buttons work. So if you have either the "Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer" or the "Microsoft Intellimouse Web" and can confirm side-button finctionality it will be much appreciated. (the explorer is the fully expensive optical one) Thanks in advance Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
- Original Message - From: "Arunava Sen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X? So if you have either the "Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer" or the "Microsoft Intellimouse Web" and can confirm side-button finctionality it will be much appreciated. (the explorer is the fully expensive optical one) This might help. http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ ---Gareth Walters- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
On 30 Oct 00, Arunava Sen wrote [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice: The only reason I'd buy one of these and not the el-cheapo MS wheely is the extra side buttons. I am fairly sure the wheel would work using the imps/2 mouse protocol in X. But what i need to know is if the extra side buttons work. Rather than dealing with the devil another alternative is one of the other brands of optical mouse. As they use the same optical sensor their performance should be identical (minus the M$ logo :-) EverythingLinux stocks; -- Genius Mouse Netscroll OPTICAL PS/2 Enhanced precision with Optical Engine, LED thumb buttons shine when you move the mouse. Win 95/98/NT, MS-DOS Compatible Five customisable buttons. MouseMate Software included. 3 Buttons work with XFree86 3.3.x 5 Buttons work with Xfree86 4.x No moving parts, totally optical, requires no special mouse mat. (PS/2 style connector) -- There are a number of other brands... can someone post the URLs and avalability? Caio -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
Jeff Waugh wrote:
But do they have flaming bums?
Any Vet will tell you this is a sign of sickness in any animal
{:-)
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Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:51:43PM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
Jeff Waugh wrote:
But do they have flaming bums?
Any Vet will tell you this is a sign of sickness in any animal
{:-)
P.S. Does anyone of know of any Linux mp3's
What's a specifically-Linux mp3?
http://www.technetcast.com/tnc_archives_date.html (thanks malcolm) has
lots of mp3s about Linux (and related topics), but somehow I don't think
this is what you mean?
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Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
The MS Intellimouse is a damned good mouse. Who cares abou their software writing skills. They should throw out all that and make peripherals. Logitech makes nice mice also, but im in love with the IM explorer. Works well in linux, esp. on usb (something that windows 95 would never do for me). the side buttons are just buttons 2 and 3 for me though... oh well. scrolling seems to be supported in just about everything... ok enough raving, they arent hard to setup, even more so on ps2 i prefer usb though although usb doesnt alert you to the addition of a mouse, so if your using /dev/input/mice, someone can plug in another mouse and start messing with your head. (its amusing.) But do they have flaming bums? Looks pretty cool at night i have seen a $35 no-name clone thats ps2 only in target i think, as well as dick smiths. P.S. Does anyone of know of any Linux mp3's I have mp3s on linux. ??? Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Extra buttons on the MS mice supported in X?
Dean Hamstead wrote: The MS Intellimouse is a damned good mouse. Who cares abou their software writing skills. They should throw out all that and make peripherals. Logitech makes nice mice also, but im in love with the IM explorer. Works well in linux, esp. on usb (something that windows 95 would never do for me). the side buttons are just buttons 2 and 3 for me though... Do you mean that the side buttons are just useless clones of the left and right buttons? This is exactly what I was scared of. Thanks for responding to my post. Just one more thing usb mouse... how did you set it up? and what kernel and distro(if any) are you using? Thanks in advance Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
