Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:40 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: And yes, I do find it a little frustrating that [HP] aren't more comprehensive in the Linux support across the range. Chatting with Bdale about this a few months ago, he articulated that there was a vast difference in HP's laptop line between systems targeted at the consumer audience, and systems targeted at the corporate market. Notably, the consumer-targeted systems rapidly change chipsets based on whatever was forklifted into a large bin in the corner this morning, whereas the corporate systems were deliberately manufactured with a defined load-out that would stay the same throughout the support lifespan of the system. [Which is impressive if true. There's nothing worse than taking a machine in for servicing and getting a new motherboard back with _completely_ different hardware in it] He also seemed to be saying that their focus with Linux support (ie, drivers and availability installed at time-of-sale) was [would be?] in the corporate product set. In any case, the idea was navigate to the corporate audience side of their web site, rather than the generic home consumer side. I haven't yet put this to the test yet, I'm afraid, but he was [as ever] extremely helpful, and I'm going to go with HP for my next system, I suspect. AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics is an operations and engineering consultancy focusing on IT strategy, organizational architecture, systems review, and effective procedures for change management: enabling successful deployment of mission critical information technology in enterprises, worldwide. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Andrew Cowie wrote: In any case, the idea was navigate to the corporate audience side of their web site, rather than the generic home consumer side. Well I went to the small business side of their Australian website [0]. I searched around and found that every single machine in the laptop section (I didn't look at netbooks) was windows. I also found that HP's site seemed to offer far less customisation of the machine than Dell. Obviously their sales models are different. I also searched for Linux and every search seemed to direct to Dell US. I haven't yet put this to the test yet, I'm afraid, but he was [as ever] extremely helpful, and I'm going to go with HP for my next system, I suspect. I suspect that mine will not be a Dell or a HP. Erik [0] HP's website is abysmal; it makes the pretty rancid Dell site look like the site of some hot new web 2.99 startup. -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Andrew Cowie wrote: Chatting with Bdale about this a few months ago, he articulated that there was a vast difference in HP's laptop line between systems targeted at the consumer audience, and systems targeted at the corporate market. Notably, the consumer-targeted systems rapidly change chipsets based on whatever was forklifted into a large bin in the corner this morning, whereas the corporate systems were deliberately manufactured with a defined load-out that would stay the same throughout the support lifespan of the system. [Which is impressive if true. There's nothing worse than taking a machine in for servicing and getting a new motherboard back with _completely_ different hardware in it] He also seemed to be saying that their focus with Linux support (ie, drivers and availability installed at time-of-sale) was [would be?] in the corporate product set. This is certainly also true of Dell's support for Linux on their desktops -- corporate line has certification and support, consumer line doesn't. -- Glen Turner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Erik, A subset of the new HP ProBook range (announced today in the US), the 4710s specifically, are able to be ordered with SuSE 11 installed. There are no announcements for Australia yet, and also no guarantees they will have the same OS options here. Product specs are here :- http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/SubFamMatrix.asp?ProductLineId=539FamilyId=3025jumpid=re_R295_store/busproducts/computing-notebook/hp-probook-notebook-pcpsn=notebooks_tablet_pcs/notebook_pcs And yes, I do find it a little frustrating that they aren't more comprehensive in the Linux support across the range. Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: Hi all, Does anyone here in .au actually ship higher end laptops with Linux pre-installed? Dell does in the US, but not here. I've also searched the HP website, but that is even harder to navigate than the Dell site. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Martin Visser wrote: A subset of the new HP ProBook range (announced today in the US), the 4710s specifically, are able to be ordered with SuSE 11 installed. There are no announcements for Australia yet, and also no guarantees they will have the same OS options here. Dell has had Linux laptop options in the US for over a year now and they are still not available here in Australia. Pease forgive me for thinking that HP are not likely to be much better than Dell in this regard :-). And yes, I do find it a little frustrating that they aren't more comprehensive in the Linux support across the range. Yes, frustrating. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Erik It is obvious you want something that you know you cant get. I was in the exact same situation with my Dell XPS 1330 purchase as Ubuntu was an option for US Dell customers only. I chose to go ahead and accept the ~$100 MS tax and build it with Linux the same day it arrived. For someone who's time is so valuable and wants to drop ~$2000K on something 'high end' I really think $100 is not a lot of money for piece of mind on guaranteed driver support. So here are the choices: - dredge through the Linux hardware capability lists and source a laptop from a 'no name' manufacturer with the components you require with no OS. - Pay your MS Tax and get a laptop from Dell you know will work out of the box. - Buy a Dell through the US with Ubuntu install then somehow get it shipped back to Australia as this would record it as a Linux laptop purchase which is apparently very important to you. - Find out if Dell AU will be offering Ubuntu installs anytime in the near future. I know you want a Dell XPS or some other major vendor laptop with Ubuntu / Linux install... anyone who uses a Linux laptop is exactly the same as you, but at the end of the day your choices are clear cut. It just seems from your responses that you are already aware of the choices and this is more of a chance to 'vent' rather than a request for help. Luke -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Monday, 20 April 2009 12:58 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? Cibby Pulikkaseril wrote: I purchased an Acer Aspire 4315 for $500 here in Sydney - it came with Ubuntu preinstalled, but I wiped it and installed Kubuntu. I believe that is a netbook grade machine and I am looking for something closer to the high end. Specifically, Core 2 Duo/Core i7/latest AMD, 2-4 Gigs ram, 150+ Gig drive with a 13-14 inch screen at 1280x768 or better. I would buy a Dell XPS Studio 13 if I could get one with Linux pre-installed. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Erik MSY (www.msy.com.au) sell a lot of 'big name' notebooks. If you found one from there they might sell it to you with no OS for reduced cost. Luke -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Monday, 20 April 2009 12:58 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? Cibby Pulikkaseril wrote: I purchased an Acer Aspire 4315 for $500 here in Sydney - it came with Ubuntu preinstalled, but I wiped it and installed Kubuntu. I believe that is a netbook grade machine and I am looking for something closer to the high end. Specifically, Core 2 Duo/Core i7/latest AMD, 2-4 Gigs ram, 150+ Gig drive with a 13-14 inch screen at 1280x768 or better. I would buy a Dell XPS Studio 13 if I could get one with Linux pre-installed. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Meijer, Luke wrote: It is obvious you want something that you know you cant get. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Yep, i am an an unreasonable man. Me being an unreasonable man lead me to start to use Linux in 1995, starting two open source projects (at least one of which I'm sure you have installed on your machine) and maintaining them to this day. It also resulted in my getting a reasonably well paid job at a small high tech startup where at least 95% of my work is Linux related development. While we as Linux users put up with the status quo we will continue to be rode rough-shod over by microsoft and the companies like Dell and HP who do under the table deals with them. These deals are what is keeping microsoft where it is and preventing the spread of Linux. I was in the exact same situation with my Dell XPS 1330 purchase as Ubuntu was an option for US Dell customers only. So why the fsck can't people in this global backwater get the same deal? I know of at least one survey which showed that Australia has a larger number of Linux and Free Software developers per head of population than any other country in the world. I chose to go ahead and accept the ~$100 MS tax and build it with Linux the same day it arrived. Yep, you and the millions of other people who did this help microsoft fund the SCO debacle and ramming its broken standard thru ISO, in the process breaking ISO. I hope you're pleased with yourself. For someone who's time is so valuable and wants to drop ~$2000K on something 'high end' I really think $100 is not a lot of money for piece of mind on guaranteed driver support. You're an Open Source kinda guy aren't you? Well I'm much more in the Free Software camp. It just seems from your responses that you are already aware of the choices and this is more of a chance to 'vent' rather than a request for help. First, you obviously don't understand my motivations. Secondly, I have found one single supplier of laptops (other than netbooks) with Linux pre-installed, Pioneer Computers: http://pioneercomputers.com.au/ That is not a huge choice. Remeber, I chose Linux. I like choice. I'd like to have two or three companies to chose from. I don't think that is unreasonable. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Meijer, Luke wrote: snip I was in the exact same situation with my Dell XPS 1330 purchase as Ubuntu was an option for US Dell customers only. So why the fsck can't people in this global backwater get the same deal? I know of at least one survey which showed that Australia has a larger number of Linux and Free Software developers per head of population than any other country in the world. As I understand it, the common excuse is the logistics of the big moat around the rock. What I find so laughable about that pitch is that my Vostro from Dell was puzzled together in the US and shipped over here anyway. I theorise that the real reason is that they don't feel that 21 million people (~25Mil if you include NZ, a few mil more if you include the genuinely profitable regions of SE Asia), the mere equivalent of a large USian population center, is economically sufficient enough to warrant an expansion to the support operations to cater for the diversity. I'd love to hear what the actual policy is, though. snip Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Erik, I bought one of Pioneer's higher range laptops in May 2006. At this stage Pioneer sold with or without an MS operating system like you I refused to pay the tax. If memory serves me correctly it was called a Dreambook and has a 64 bit AMD cpu, 1G of ram (since upgraded to 2G), a 17 screen and an Atheros chipset wifi card. It is actually a rebadged Taiwanese Clevo D470K. I have had absolutely no problems with it to date. I run Fedora 10 currently. It's main negatives being it's weight (but it is a 17) and short battery life (about 2 hrs). I mainly use it connected to the mains however. Hope this helps. - Regards, Peter. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein- On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 08:42 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Meijer, Luke wrote: It is obvious you want something that you know you cant get. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Yep, i am an an unreasonable man. Me being an unreasonable man lead me to start to use Linux in 1995, starting two open source projects (at least one of which I'm sure you have installed on your machine) and maintaining them to this day. It also resulted in my getting a reasonably well paid job at a small high tech startup where at least 95% of my work is Linux related development. While we as Linux users put up with the status quo we will continue to be rode rough-shod over by microsoft and the companies like Dell and HP who do under the table deals with them. These deals are what is keeping microsoft where it is and preventing the spread of Linux. I was in the exact same situation with my Dell XPS 1330 purchase as Ubuntu was an option for US Dell customers only. So why the fsck can't people in this global backwater get the same deal? I know of at least one survey which showed that Australia has a larger number of Linux and Free Software developers per head of population than any other country in the world. I chose to go ahead and accept the ~$100 MS tax and build it with Linux the same day it arrived. Yep, you and the millions of other people who did this help microsoft fund the SCO debacle and ramming its broken standard thru ISO, in the process breaking ISO. I hope you're pleased with yourself. For someone who's time is so valuable and wants to drop ~$2000K on something 'high end' I really think $100 is not a lot of money for piece of mind on guaranteed driver support. You're an Open Source kinda guy aren't you? Well I'm much more in the Free Software camp. It just seems from your responses that you are already aware of the choices and this is more of a chance to 'vent' rather than a request for help. First, you obviously don't understand my motivations. Secondly, I have found one single supplier of laptops (other than netbooks) with Linux pre-installed, Pioneer Computers: http://pioneercomputers.com.au/ That is not a huge choice. Remeber, I chose Linux. I like choice. I'd like to have two or three companies to chose from. I don't think that is unreasonable. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Peter Abbott wrote: I bought one of Pioneer's higher range laptops in May 2006. At this stage Pioneer sold with or without an MS operating system like you I refused to pay the tax. If memory serves me correctly it was called a Dreambook and has a 64 bit AMD cpu, 1G of ram (since upgraded to 2G), a 17 screen and an Atheros chipset wifi card. It is actually a rebadged Taiwanese Clevo D470K. I have had absolutely no problems with it to date. I run Fedora 10 currently. It's main negatives being it's weight (but it is a 17) and short battery life (about 2 hrs). I mainly use it connected to the mains however. Thanks for the feedback Peter. Thats very useful. Cheers, Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi Erik Sounds like you got it all sorted then. Luke -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 6:11 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? Jonathan wrote: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Yep, about 700 times too much trouble. My time is worth more than that. I am shopping around anyway, so the effort of finding a machine with Linux pre-installed is part of that effort anyway. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Jonathan wrote: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Yep, about 700 times too much trouble. My time is worth more than that. I am shopping around anyway, so the effort of finding a machine with Linux pre-installed is part of that effort anyway. snip Is anyone aware of any energy usage tests versions of Linux vs Vista etc on the various laptops/PCs? One of the issues I do have with my 2004 Targa, on which I initially installed Knoppix 3.2 and subsequently upgraded to Knoppix 5.1, is that i don't think the efficiency drivers are working very well the fan seems to be on constantly, though it has been better in 5.1 than 3.2 There is more on PCs and Energy usage here: http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/it/pcmees/pc-report-10.html Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Meijer, Luke wrote: Sounds like you got it all sorted then. Well actually no. I have so far found one company (and only one) that does a true Linux pre-installed machine (ie machine with Linux is cheaper than one with windows): http://pioneercomputers.com.au/ Since these do not seem to be name brand machines, I will have to take extra time and effort to assess the hardware quality of the machines and the after sales service of the company itself. I would not really have to do either of these if I bought from Dell or HP. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Marghanita da Cruz marghan...@ramin.com.au writes: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Jonathan wrote: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Yep, about 700 times too much trouble. My time is worth more than that. I am shopping around anyway, so the effort of finding a machine with Linux pre-installed is part of that effort anyway. snip Is anyone aware of any energy usage tests versions of Linux vs Vista etc on the various laptops/PCs? The Intel sponsored Less Watts project have some information, as I recall, and the Linux Thinkpads list certainly discuss it regularly.[1] One of the issues I do have with my 2004 Targa, on which I initially installed Knoppix 3.2 and subsequently upgraded to Knoppix 5.1, is that i don't think the efficiency drivers are working very well the fan seems to be on constantly, though it has been better in 5.1 than 3.2 That is almost certainly true: Linux has less power saving that Windows more or less across the board, although that is gradually getting closer to parity as time moves on. The usual candidates are less display / GPU power saving, less ability to spin down the hard disks and less general support for power management of the various other controllers. A large part of this is that these are the less well documented areas of the hardware, usually tuned by the vendor or OEM to the specific hardware under Windows, so Linux has a lot of catching up to do. A good Thinkpad usually comes in at ~ 2 watts higher consumption than Windows, after aggressive manual tuning on a set of machines that are quite well understood. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] I presume other hardware-specific lists also do, but since I don't own their hardware I don't pay attention. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi Erik, Sorry, I arrived at this thread late and may have missed most of it. I purchased an Acer Aspire 4315 for $500 here in Sydney - it came with Ubuntu preinstalled, but I wiped it and installed Kubuntu. It runs great, but there were some wireless driver issues - the latest versions of Ubuntu seem to have no problems with that now. I'm only having other, smaller problems with it now. Cibby --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: From: Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? To: slug@slug.org.au Received: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:40 PM Meijer, Luke wrote: Sounds like you got it all sorted then. Well actually no. I have so far found one company (and only one) that does a true Linux pre-installed machine (ie machine with Linux is cheaper than one with windows): http://pioneercomputers.com.au/ Since these do not seem to be name brand machines, I will have to take extra time and effort to assess the hardware quality of the machines and the after sales service of the company itself. I would not really have to do either of these if I bought from Dell or HP. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Daniel Pittman wrote: Marghanita da Cruz marghan...@ramin.com.au writes: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Jonathan wrote: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Yep, about 700 times too much trouble. My time is worth more than that. I am shopping around anyway, so the effort of finding a machine with Linux pre-installed is part of that effort anyway. snip Is anyone aware of any energy usage tests versions of Linux vs Vista etc on the various laptops/PCs? The Intel sponsored Less Watts project have some information, as I recall, and the Linux Thinkpads list certainly discuss it regularly.[1] snip Thanks - LessWatts.org - Saving Power on Intel systems with Linux looks this looks useful and this in particular: [PDF] Linux ACPI Test Plan ... S-state 1.2 C-state 1.3 P-state 1.4 T-state 1.5 Power and Battery 1.6 Thermal Zone 2 Configurations 2.1 ACPI event 2.2 AC adapter 2.3 Battery 2.4 ASUS(HotKey) ... www.lesswatts.org/documents/Linux_ACPI_Test_Plan.pdf Noting that energy efficiency in a lap/note/netbook is more of an issue in relation to battery life rather than saving the planet - the obvious candidate for comparison would be the eeePC - though there was nothing on the less watts site, I did find this: ASUS EeePC 900 REVIEW DATE: 16-MAY-2008 As a consolation, the 1GB of RAM is double the amount from the previous version, and the SSD drives help speed up transfer speeds. The HP Mini-Note has a slight edge because it runs 2GB of RAM, although its VIA processor doesn't help it much. Nevertheless, the Linux-based EeePC 900 system booted up in just 21 seconds, as opposed to twice that on a typical Windows operating system. It goes without saying, though, that any form of gaming should be Web-based, as most of the 3D-intensive ones will not be supported by this operating system. I couldn't run any of my performance tests because they lack support for Linux. The EeePC 900 is RoHS-compliant but has yet to be certified for Energy Star 4.0 and EPEAT. Running my own tests, using a PS3 International Kill-A-Watt meter, the EeePC 900 fell well within the limits of Energy Star's specifications. The 14 Watts it consumed matches that of the Apple MacBook Air and the Fujitsu LifeBook P8010, but because it doesn't have all the necessary certifications, it doesn't earn PC Magazine's GreenTech Approved seal. http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article/ASUS%20EeePC%20900/227620_1.aspx Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Cibby Pulikkaseril wrote: I purchased an Acer Aspire 4315 for $500 here in Sydney - it came with Ubuntu preinstalled, but I wiped it and installed Kubuntu. I believe that is a netbook grade machine and I am looking for something closer to the high end. Specifically, Core 2 Duo/Core i7/latest AMD, 2-4 Gigs ram, 150+ Gig drive with a 13-14 inch screen at 1280x768 or better. I would buy a Dell XPS Studio 13 if I could get one with Linux pre-installed. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi, I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Cheers Jon On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:19:02 pm Meijer, Luke wrote: Hi I bought a Dell XPS 1330 as these came with Ubuntu pre-installed. Soon as I got it I uninstalled Vista then installed my Linux OS (opensuse). As they ship with Linux you can be sure the drivers are no problem, so nothing is stopping you from uninstalling the Windows OS yourself. Unless you want to save ~$100 by not getting Windows in the first place? Would be nice I guess, but shouldn't stop you. Luke -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Friday, 17 April 2009 3:12 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? Craig Ayliffe wrote: If you go to a product and click on Build Your Own, their is an Operating System option where you can select Ubuntu OS Preloaded. Found it. Its rather well hidden and the window logo to the left hurt my eyes. Thanks. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Jonathan wrote: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Yep, about 700 times too much trouble. My time is worth more than that. I am shopping around anyway, so the effort of finding a machine with Linux pre-installed is part of that effort anyway. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Jonathan jhhum...@bigpond.com writes: I remember that there was at some stage, soemthing with the EULA with Windows. Essentially, it can only be valid if you voluntarily accept it, therefore, if you don't you can uninstall it, send the CD's and documentation back to Microsoft and they have to refund you the value. Never tried it, or talked face to face with ayone that has tried it though. Any thoughts? Microsoft amended their license to save the OEM the trouble of this; you can now return the entire system, hardware and all, or you can accept the hardware and bundled OS. No middle ground, and no option to reject only the software. Regards, Daniel Seriously, did you think that sort of loophole would last? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi I bought a Dell XPS 1330 as these came with Ubuntu pre-installed. Soon as I got it I uninstalled Vista then installed my Linux OS (opensuse). As they ship with Linux you can be sure the drivers are no problem, so nothing is stopping you from uninstalling the Windows OS yourself. Unless you want to save ~$100 by not getting Windows in the first place? Would be nice I guess, but shouldn't stop you. Luke -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Friday, 17 April 2009 3:12 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed? Craig Ayliffe wrote: If you go to a product and click on Build Your Own, their is an Operating System option where you can select Ubuntu OS Preloaded. Found it. Its rather well hidden and the window logo to the left hurt my eyes. Thanks. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi all, Does anyone here in .au actually ship higher end laptops with Linux pre-installed? Dell does in the US, but not here. I've also searched the HP website, but that is even harder to navigate than the Dell site. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Hi all, Does anyone here in .au actually ship higher end laptops with Linux pre-installed? Dell does in the US, but not here. I've also searched the HP website, but that is even harder to navigate than the Dell site. Well, I know pioneercomputers.com.au do offer Ubuntu preinstalled on quite a lot of their range. They have stuff fitting into most price ranges, and are highly customisable, but I don't know if you'd consider any of their stuff 'higher end'. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
meli...@meldraweb.com wrote: Well, I know pioneercomputers.com.au do offer Ubuntu preinstalled on quite a lot of their range. I do know this was true at one stage, but I can't find anything about pre-installed Linux on their current sire. They have stuff fitting into most price ranges, and are highly customisable, but I don't know if you'd consider any of their stuff 'higher end'. What I'd really like is the Dell XPS Studio 13, with Ubuntu pre-installed, but Dell does not offer than in .au. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, Does anyone here in .au actually ship higher end laptops with Linux pre-installed? Dell does in the US, but not here. I've also searched the HP website, but that is even harder to navigate than the Dell site. Erik The guy at JB Hifi in Leichhardt said that he thought it was possible to request Linux on an the higher end eeePCs, from other computer outlets.. He suggested trying some of the smaller independent stores. The question has been asked before and any information would be of interest to me. A place you could try: Acer : Notebooks | Laptops - 10 Screen Smaller (Netbooks) Acer Aspire One Netbook - Blue - Intel Atom N270(1.60GHz), 8.9WSVGA, 512MB-RAM, 8GB-Flash Drive, CR, Linux - Plus $59 Cashback Offer http://www.techbuy.com.au/search.asp?what=BeginSearchsrchFilterSubCat=srchBy=srchManuf=ALLsrchSortBy=2page=1srchQuery=linuxx=0y=0 Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Laptops with Linux pre-installed?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: meli...@meldraweb.com wrote: Well, I know pioneercomputers.com.au do offer Ubuntu preinstalled on quite a lot of their range. I do know this was true at one stage, but I can't find anything about pre-installed Linux on their current sire. If you go to a product and click on Build Your Own, their is an Operating System option where you can select Ubuntu OS Preloaded. -- Craig Ayliffe -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
