Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sunday 15 June 2003 01:30 pm, Jon Teh wrote: Hrm, did I get my windows mixed up? Am I on IRC instead of a mailing list? total time on IRC since 1996 approx 6 hrs :) but the scars remain :) m -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
G'day... I don't agree with you regarding ACS. Student membership is available and plenty of SLUGgers would qualify. It is a professional body, so a level of professional qualifications is required. I've previously been a student member, and am planning on becoming a full member shortly. I fail to see why the ACS may be considered a bit of a joke in some circles. (My opinion is that maybe its a case of sour grapes as in the Aesop fable - ie. the people don't qualify to be ACS members so therefore ACS sucks. I'm happy to be wrong on that one though.) ACS provides a quality service to its members and the community at large. Additionally, it produces both a magazine and a technical journal. It is by no means behind the times, nor is it biased to any particular operating system. I am curious about the reasoning behind the thought that is contrary to my own views. Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/06/2003 09:51 AM To:Enrique Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia. On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Enrique Vila wrote: I´m preparing my migration to Australia (not yet there) but I´m gathering some information about the linux world in down under. Is there any specially popular distribution in Australia? or is it like in th US? Dunno how it is in the US, but here Debian, RedHat, and Mandrake are all pretty popular. The odd copy of SuSE pops up, and others like Gentoo and whatnot are seen, but the big 3 dominate. Do you guys are all members of ACS? or any other organization? I'm StudIEEE, StudIEAust, StudAPESMA, but not because of my interest in Linux. To become an ACS member, you have to hold appropriate technical qualifications - which I'll wager half of the people on SLUG don't have (not necessarily a bad thing...). In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer, Geek In Residence http://ieee.uow.edu.au/~mjp16 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
I fail to see why the ACS may be considered a bit of a joke in some circles. (My opinion is that maybe its a case of sour grapes as in the Aesop fable - ie. the people don't qualify to be ACS members so therefore ACS sucks. I'm happy to be wrong on that one though.) I have been out of this discussion my 5cents worth. I was a member in 93 and never got any real benefit out of it. To me I think ACS could have the potential to be a great IT voice but they are not, they don't have the political clout like any other group. We need a group that is willing to offer things like what CPA is to accountants, the barr is to solicitors and lawyers etc. The ACS does do not that. The IT industry needs to have a set of standards that employers follow and understand, the MSCP, and the like are not it. None of my employers consider the ACS as anything worth their while as ACS doesn't set standards. Most I.T managers I have meet and know seem to think very little of ACS. There are too many definitions and job functions for System administrators out there in the market place. IT is one industry that is one industry that is completely messed up. I personally think it's time to clean I.T up and get rid of some of the cowboys (ex used car sales men) out of I.T. Besides those monthly magazines, and at time of my membership cheap internet access, offers for paid courses, I have serious doubts with paid membership to such an organisation. ACS provides a quality service to its members and the community at large. Additionally, it produces both a magazine and a technical journal. It is by no means behind the times, nor is it biased to any particular operating system. I am curious about the reasoning behind the thought that is contrary to my own views. Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/06/2003 09:51 AM To: Enrique Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia. On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Enrique Vila wrote: I´m preparing my migration to Australia (not yet there) but I´m gathering some information about the linux world in down under. Is there any specially popular distribution in Australia? or is it like in th US? Dunno how it is in the US, but here Debian, RedHat, and Mandrake are all pretty popular. The odd copy of SuSE pops up, and others like Gentoo and whatnot are seen, but the big 3 dominate. Do you guys are all members of ACS? or any other organization? I'm StudIEEE, StudIEAust, StudAPESMA, but not because of my interest in Linux. To become an ACS member, you have to hold appropriate technical qualifications - which I'll wager half of the people on SLUG don't have (not necessarily a bad thing...). In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer, Geek In Residence http://ieee.uow.edu.au/~mjp16 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug __ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
Title: Mensaje Hi all, I´m preparing my migration to Australia (not yet there) butI´m gathering some information about the linux world in down under. Is there any specially popular distribution in Australia? or is it like in th US? Do you guys are all members of ACS? or any other organization? Cheers... Enrique.- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Enrique Vila wrote: I´m preparing my migration to Australia (not yet there) but I´m gathering some information about the linux world in down under. Is there any specially popular distribution in Australia? or is it like in th US? Dunno how it is in the US, but here Debian, RedHat, and Mandrake are all pretty popular. The odd copy of SuSE pops up, and others like Gentoo and whatnot are seen, but the big 3 dominate. Do you guys are all members of ACS? or any other organization? I'm StudIEEE, StudIEAust, StudAPESMA, but not because of my interest in Linux. To become an ACS member, you have to hold appropriate technical qualifications - which I'll wager half of the people on SLUG don't have (not necessarily a bad thing...). In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer, Geek In Residence http://ieee.uow.edu.au/~mjp16 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
g'day enrique :) I´m preparing my migration to Australia (not yet there) but I´m gathering some information about the linux world in down under. :) this mailing list is certainly one good place to get info :) it doesn't really matter which state (or territory) u r gonna live in ... u should be able find a Linux Users Group similar to this one :)) Is there any specially popular distribution in Australia? or is it like in th US? others will be more expert than me as to the types of distros available ... matthew mentioned four of them... but i do believe there are made in australia distros as well... if u look at the archives from the last coupla weeks i think u will find a discussion of oz distros Do you guys are all members of ACS? or any other organization? hhhmmm i m a member of the fishing club at the local pub (drinking hole - place where alcoholic beverages are served) :)) does that count?? :))) seriously.. i suspect that u will find a huge diversity of ppl on this mailing list... i think that one of the members of slug is a young man in his early teens... i suspect he is very good with python :) matey :) u come on down under ... we'll throw another shrimp on the barbie for yer :) oh .. also .. crack a tinny or two when u get here ... ok?? :)) see yer :) m -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:51, Matthew Palmer wrote: I'm StudIEEE, StudIEAust, StudAPESMA, but not because of my interest in Linux. To become an ACS member, you have to hold appropriate technical qualifications - which I'll wager half of the people on SLUG don't have (not necessarily a bad thing...). In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local. A tad harsh on the ACS, I think. In New South Wales the ACS have an open source SIG, and you don't need to be a member to come along to the SIG meetings (but members will get priority e.g. if there is not enough room at a meeting). The SIG home page is here: http://acs.org.au/nsw/sigs/opensource/index.html Also, the ACS can be a good place to network - i.e. find work. All the best, Bruce Badger http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
ACS commentsRe: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
Bruce Badger wrote:
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In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as
a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the
art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local.
A tad harsh on the ACS, I think.
I disagree. In 20 years of IT, the question of ACS membership has only
been raised once and it is, in my experience, generally not held in high
esteem.
The ACS decided to be an elitist oganisation right from the start and as
a consequence it is largely irrelevant.
When the formalisation of SLUG was considered, being under ACS was
considered for a mirthful microsecond.
In New South Wales the ACS have an open source SIG,
As does AUUG, which was seriously considered for the formalisation of
SLUG, but it was felt that an US Them situation would exist from
membership of AUUG costing $100pa.
Both were also felt to be Johnny-come-lately organisations to the
question of open source and that the real reason for them taking on
board open-source was to retain members, rather than promote open
source.
I've always felt that SLUG was the best for open source, because it was
not elitest and restrictive in whom it would accept.
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Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:35:22AM +1000, moise lim wrote: :) this mailing list is certainly one good place to get info :) it doesn't really matter which state (or territory) u r gonna live in ... u should be able find a Linux Users Group similar to this one :)) Hrm, did I get my windows mixed up? Am I on IRC instead of a mailing list? toungue in cheek ;) -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Jon Teh wrote: Hrm, did I get my windows mixed up? Am I on IRC instead of a mailing list? toungue in cheek ;) Chuckled once because of the way you spelt tongue. Chuckled a second time when I realised `teh' was intentional as its your surname :D Mike -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
