[SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Michael Kedzierski]

Hi all,

Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
restarting the old Python SIG again.

It has come up in further discussion that a few people would like to
see a Python and Ruby combined special interest group. We're thinking
about combining both because we feel the languages really are quite
similar, and it would probably make things more interesting.

So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
possibly combining it with a Ruby one?
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[SLUG] Snakes and Rubies

[T Murray]

The original ideaof a Snakes and Rubies SIG was (i) to scratch my own itch and (ii) Python would allow both experienced coders and newbies to participate.  I do like the idea of hearing talks on LISP, SmallTalk though
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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Lindsay Holmwood]

On 5/20/06, Michael Kedzierski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
restarting the old Python SIG again.

It has come up in further discussion that a few people would like to
see a Python and Ruby combined special interest group. We're thinking
about combining both because we feel the languages really are quite
similar, and it would probably make things more interesting.

So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
possibly combining it with a Ruby one?



I'm all for it. When you've organised a time and place we'll put
something up on the SLUG website.

Lindsay

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Unknown]

On Sat 20 May, 2006 at 21:54:17 +1000, Michael Kedzierski wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
> restarting the old Python SIG again.
> 
> It has come up in further discussion that a few people would like to
> see a Python and Ruby combined special interest group. We're thinking
> about combining both because we feel the languages really are quite
> similar, and it would probably make things more interesting.
> 
> So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
> possibly combining it with a Ruby one?

Definately a hand of interest here. Count me in.

 - Scott

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Jeff Waugh]

> So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly
> combining it with a Ruby one?

At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?

- Jeff

[1] http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/index.html

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Robert Collins]

On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 18:24 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat 20 May, 2006 at 21:54:17 +1000, Michael Kedzierski wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
> > restarting the old Python SIG again.
> > 
> > It has come up in further discussion that a few people would like to
> > see a Python and Ruby combined special interest group. We're thinking
> > about combining both because we feel the languages really are quite
> > similar, and it would probably make things more interesting.
> > 
> > So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
> > possibly combining it with a Ruby one?
> 
> Definately a hand of interest here. Count me in.

Interesting email address... pity it doesn't exist.

A small request if you would, please dont use From: address's from
domains you don't own. There are many reasons why you shouldn't do this,
ranging from simple courtesy, to having your mail reach its intended
recipients - SPF checking mail systems will reject your bogus mail with
extreme prejudice.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Jeff Waugh]

> Interesting email address... pity it doesn't exist.

The From header was empty - your mta or mua probably filled it in. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Robert Collins]

On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 19:40 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > Interesting email address... pity it doesn't exist.
> 
> The From header was empty - your mta or mua probably filled it in. :-)

Meh. Well, most of my comments still apply :)

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Benno]

On Sun May 21, 2006 at 18:32:41 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>> So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly
>> combining it with a Ruby one?
>
>At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
>Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/index.html

It would presumably have strong overlap with codefest attendees
and also the on-again off-again calls for aa slug hackers mailing
list.

Benno
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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Unknown]

On Sun 21 May, 2006 at 19:37:58 +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 18:24 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat 20 May, 2006 at 21:54:17 +1000, Michael Kedzierski wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
> > > restarting the old Python SIG again.
> > > 
> > > It has come up in further discussion that a few people would like to
> > > see a Python and Ruby combined special interest group. We're thinking
> > > about combining both because we feel the languages really are quite
> > > similar, and it would probably make things more interesting.
> > > 
> > > So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
> > > possibly combining it with a Ruby one?
> > 
> > Definately a hand of interest here. Count me in.
> 
> Interesting email address... pity it doesn't exist.
> 
> A small request if you would, please dont use From: address's from
> domains you don't own. There are many reasons why you shouldn't do this,
> ranging from simple courtesy, to having your mail reach its intended
> recipients - SPF checking mail systems will reject your bogus mail with
> extreme prejudice.
>

As Jeff said, your MTA/MUA has definately filled that in, as it was
(accidentally) left blank.

I thought I actually did fill it in, I must've however typo'd - I had just
woken up.

the correct email should be listed in the from header of this email tho :p
(I'm more awake now)

 - Scott

 
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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Lindsay Holmwood]

On 5/21/06, Benno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sun May 21, 2006 at 18:32:41 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>> So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly
>> combining it with a Ruby one?
>
>At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
>Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/index.html

It would presumably have strong overlap with codefest attendees
and also the on-again off-again calls for aa slug hackers mailing
list.



Announcing the new coders mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can sign up at http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders

Cheers,
Lindsay

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Robert Collins]

On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:46 +1000, Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
> On 5/21/06, Benno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun May 21, 2006 at 18:32:41 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and 
> > >> possibly
> > >> combining it with a Ruby one?
> > >
> > >At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
> > >Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?
> > >
> > >- Jeff
> > >
> > >[1] http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/index.html
> >
> > It would presumably have strong overlap with codefest attendees
> > and also the on-again off-again calls for aa slug hackers mailing
> > list.
> >
> 
> Announcing the new coders mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> You can sign up at http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders

Meh, I thought we were not going the bazjillion lists route ?

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Lindsay Holmwood]

On 5/22/06, Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:46 +1000, Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
>
> Announcing the new coders mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> You can sign up at http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders

Meh, I thought we were not going the bazjillion lists route ?

Rob


We're not. There was a strong call for a mailing list to be set up for
coders and programmers[1], and it's hoped that a lot of the heated
technical threads will take place there instead of diluting the main
SLUG list.

Cheers,
Lindsay


[1] http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/activities/2006/04/msg00039.html


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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Jeff Waugh]

> Announcing the new coders mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> You can sign up at http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders

Do you plan to announce this more loudly than a mid-thread, same-subject
mail? ;-)

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Robert Collins]

On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 09:02 +1000, Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
> On 5/22/06, Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:46 +1000, Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
> > >
> > > Announcing the new coders mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > You can sign up at http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders
> >
> > Meh, I thought we were not going the bazjillion lists route ?
> >
> > Rob
> 
> We're not. There was a strong call for a mailing list to be set up for
> coders and programmers[1], and it's hoped that a lot of the heated
> technical threads will take place there instead of diluting the main
> SLUG list.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lindsay
> 
> 
> [1] http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/activities/2006/04/msg00039.html

Well, at the risk of being called a whinger, I didnt think it was any
more strong a call than previously, and I dont buy that the split is
really all that useful.

YMMV, but for now, I'm already on too many lists, so thanks, but I'll
pass.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Del]

So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and possibly
combining it with a Ruby one?



At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?


Which is probably worth having.  The MySQL folks are having problems attracting
members, the PHP users' group is active and self-sustaining but could use some
more interaction, and some people don't have time to get to 4, maybe 5, maybe
7 meetings per month because much of the membership of these groups overlap
anyway.


- Jeff

[1] http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/index.html


Pity they are already "The" Open Source Developers' Club, so no room for another
one by that name.  Peh.  Melbourne people.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Mary Gardiner]

On Sat, May 20, 2006, Michael Kedzierski wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Diazepam (Trent Murray) asked on IRC if anyone was interested in
> restarting the old Python SIG again.

For what it's worth, a Python Meetup was being organised by Alan Green
throughout 2005 partly as a replacement for the Python SIG. You may wish
to coordinate with that group to see if it's still running. If it is, it
might be better simply to advertise their meetings better within SLUG,
if it isn't you will want to make sure that you advertise in their
venues because they had pretty good attendance and it would be a shame
to have to start from scratch. It was much more successful than the
Python SIG ever was, but I think the end of free meetings at the James
Squire Brewhouse jolted them.

Last I heard they were talking at
http://groups.google.com/group/sydneypython/ . I can't say I saw why it
merited its own discussion group when there's python-au at
http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-au but that's where
it is.

Something worth keeping in mind by the way is that a fair chunk of the
Python community in Australia is pretty operating system agnostic and
not particularly interested in Linux as such. You should be pretty clear
whether it's for "Python on Linux" or "Python in general" (I don't know
about Ruby), especially if the name SLUG is attached.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Michael Kedzierski]

On 5/23/06, Mary Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For what it's worth, a Python Meetup was being organised by Alan Green
throughout 2005 partly as a replacement for the Python SIG. You may wish
to coordinate with that group to see if it's still running.


I agree, fragmenting people is not a good idea. I'll take a look into
it, thanks.
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RE: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[Adelle Hartley]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and 
> > possibly combining it with a Ruby one?
> 
> At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from 
> making it an "Open Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney 
> folks. Thoughts?

Sounds pretty neat to me.  I'm language neutral with limited experience in
most of them.  I'd rather hang out with people who use different
languages/tools/OS's and think differently from me than with people who use
the same languages/tools/OS's as me and think the same way I do.

I'm also mostly a Windows user, which is why I'm on this list.

Adelle.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?

[nornagon]

On 5/24/06, Adelle Hartley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
> > So, what does everybody think of reviving the old Python SIG, and
> > possibly combining it with a Ruby one?
>
> At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from
> making it an "Open Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney
> folks. Thoughts?

Sounds pretty neat to me.  I'm language neutral with limited experience in
most of them.  I'd rather hang out with people who use different
languages/tools/OS's and think differently from me than with people who use
the same languages/tools/OS's as me and think the same way I do.

I'm also mostly a Windows user, which is why I'm on this list.

Adelle.

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While the concept of a language-independent coding group is a good
one, I think the idea of a Snakes & Rubies one is better. Here's why.

Firstly, codefests are pretty much coder meetings. Why start up
another sub-group? Fragmentation, it has been said, is bad - and there
are only so many events one can make it to in a month. I think this
particular task is best left to codefests, for codefests have
internets and talks and general coolness. Plus, the infrastructure is
already there.

Python and Ruby are in many ways very similar. Their coders lend
themselves to similar schools of thought, or engage in merciless
bloodlust for the Other Kind. However, having a Snakes and Rubies
group would bring the two groups together in a (hopefully) peaceful
way, and lead to civil discussions and productive conversations.

Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from coding Python or Ruby
at a codefest (obviously) and likewise from turning up at an S&R meet
and pimping, I don't know, o'caml. Be open-minded :)

Codefests for code. S&R for scripting. That's what SIGs are all about.

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Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies

[david]

On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 19:05 +1000, T Murray wrote:
> The original ideaof a Snakes and Rubies SIG was (i) to scratch my own
> itch and (ii) Python would allow both experienced coders and newbies
> to participate.  I do like the idea of hearing talks on LISP,
> SmallTalk though
> -- 

ahh what happened to (ii)? scratched out?



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> 
> 
> Trent Murray
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OSDC (Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)

[Mary Gardiner]

On Sun, May 21, 2006, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
> Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?

+1 basically. I think there is definitely a group of more language
agnostic people about who aren't really attracted to a language specific
interest group. I would be prepared to help get this off the ground.
Where's Sydney Perl Mongers at these days?

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Re: OSDC (Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Mary Gardiner wrote:

> On Sun, May 21, 2006, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
> > Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?
> 
> +1 basically. I think there is definitely a group of more language
> agnostic people about who aren't really attracted to a language specific
> interest group.

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself language agnostic, but since 
there aren't a lot of ocaml developers around, I would be interested
in a group which is open to all languages (other than VB of course ;-)).

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Re: OSDC (Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)

[justin randell]

On 5/23/06, Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mary Gardiner wrote:

> On Sun, May 21, 2006, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > At which point, you're only a couple of steps away from making it an "Open
> > Source Developer's Club" [1] for Sydney folks. Thoughts?
>
> +1 basically. I think there is definitely a group of more language
> agnostic people about who aren't really attracted to a language specific
> interest group.

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself language agnostic, but since
there aren't a lot of ocaml developers around, I would be interested
in a group which is open to all languages (other than VB of course ;-)).


me too.
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Re: OSDC (Re: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)

[Jacinta Richardson]

As the main person who organises and runs the Open Source Developers' Club
in Melbourne, I'm very happy to lend you my full support in getting
something like this off the ground.  It may even be possible to provide
hosting under the http://www.osdc.com.au/ domain if that would be of
interest ( I don't run the server though, so we'd have to check first ).

OSDClub meetings run every two months in Melbourne, being hosted
alternately by Melbourne PHP Users Group and Melbourne Perl Mongers
instead of their regular monthly meeting (this means that each group is
only inconvenienced 3 times each year).  We invite attendance from LUV and
LUV's programmer SIG, from the Perl, PHP and Python mailing lists, and
also from from related parties such as Melbourne LinuxChix, SAGE-Vic the
MySQL meetup, OSIA and past OSD-Conference attendees.  Of course, we also
invite attendees to bring along others too.  We've had no shortage of
talks to suit such a wide set of interests.   You can see our previous
topics at:

http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/

Some of you have probably even seen some of these presented in Sydney.

Of course it helps to know that we always have a location in which to
hold such meetings, and that may be your biggest challenge.

A few months ago Stennie, from Sydney Perl Mongers, collected a list of
various technology user groups in Sydney.  This list can be found here:

http://perl.net.au/wiki/Sydney

If any that you know about are missing, please feel free to add them.  I
hope that this list will be of help when you start inviting people to your
first meeting.  In fact, you may even find that one or more of these
groups are willing to provide hosting for the meeting in the same way that
we do in Melbourne.

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Re: From Header (Was: [SLUG] Snakes and Rubies?)

[Scott Sinclair]

> the correct email should be listed in the from header of this email tho :p
> (I'm more awake now)

Appears those drugs weren't the effect this time - It was sSTMP deleted my
From Header - gotta love it.

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