Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
> > Very few modern programs use X core fonts, or server-side font rendering > > at all anymore. > > So the font server can only do old-school style X core fonts, rather than > fontconfig niftiness? Yes. fontconfig, Xft and friends are all there to pull us out of the X core font mess so we can actually do sane, data-aware things with fonts in every application. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ "Love never misses the chance to put the boot in." - Kelly, SLOU -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fedora still uses a font server by default? Why? > > > > So that workstations don't have to cache large amounts of fonts locally? > > > > Why wouldn't you want to use a font server? Am I missing something? Thanks for the reply. > The reason why font servers are not very useful these days is because almost > all font rendering is done on the client side (thanks to freetype, RENDER, > Xft, etc). > Very few modern programs use X core fonts, or server-side font > rendering at all anymore. So the font server can only do old-school style X core fonts, rather than fontconfig niftiness? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > > Fedora still uses a font server by default? Why? > > So that workstations don't have to cache large amounts of fonts locally? > > Why wouldn't you want to use a font server? Am I missing something? You got really bad quoting going on there. :-) The reason why font servers are not very useful these days is because almost all font rendering is done on the client side (thanks to freetype, RENDER, Xft, etc). Very few modern programs use X core fonts, or server-side font rendering at all anymore. As I said earlier in the thread, xfs is only there because removing it provides no benefit, but would require lots of testing. - Jeff -- OSCON 2004: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ "Anyway - I need something more James Bond than Banana Man, if you know what I mean..." - Tom Gilbert -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Fedora still uses a font server by default? Why? So that workstations don't have to cache large amounts of fonts locally? Why wouldn't you want to use a font server? Am I missing something? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
Just to confuse the issue, CAD packages sometimes use their own defined "fonts" which are actually icons used in the application. You copy them manually onto the workstation. In my case, the application runs on the (Unix) server and displays to the (Linux) workstation. If you couldn't copy them to the workstation you would have to use the X font server on the Unix server and that would be pretty slow (double redirection and image generation on the server). Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Glen Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2004 11:49 AM To: Jeff Waugh Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?] On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 02:19, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Fedora still uses a font server by default? Why? > > I asked about this a while back. Too much work/churn to change it > without a lot of obvious positive impact, I was told. They should > blast a can of Free Software monkeys on it or something. Having it distinct might be good for a while longer. I'm still waiting for someone to write a font server which finds fonts via fontconfig rather than fonts.dir files. And, yeah, it would need to convert X font names into PS/TTF font names, but that would be fine. The operational nightmare is having two distinct font finding paths and two distinct font installation procedures. [1] [1] Or more, if you use GhostScript, xpdf and OpenOffice. -- Glen TurnerTel: (08) 8303 3936 Australian Academic & Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses and other defects. As a result, such communications may not be successfully received or, if received, may cause interference with the integrity of receiving, processing or related systems (including hardware, software and data or information on, or using, that hardware or software). Aristocrat gives no assurances in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the veracity or integrity of any electronic communication we appear to have sent you, please call +61 2 9413 6300 for clarification. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 02:19, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Fedora still uses a font server by default? Why? > > I asked about this a while back. Too much work/churn to change it without a > lot of obvious positive impact, I was told. They should blast a can of Free > Software monkeys on it or something. Having it distinct might be good for a while longer. I'm still waiting for someone to write a font server which finds fonts via fontconfig rather than fonts.dir files. And, yeah, it would need to convert X font names into PS/TTF font names, but that would be fine. The operational nightmare is having two distinct font finding paths and two distinct font installation procedures. [1] [1] Or more, if you use GhostScript, xpdf and OpenOffice. -- Glen TurnerTel: (08) 8303 3936 Australian Academic & Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
