Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:18:44PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: Just wondering if there are any ideas out there about where to buy good compatible with Linux hardware. Possibly building a custom machine. Or how about 3 years warranty on a name brand server? HP? IBM? The obvious are HP, IBM or maybe DELL. I can't say enough of the IBM xSeries. They start at very reasonable prices, are certified to work with Linux, are very well supported (a number of IBM redbooks available on tweaking RHEL to work nicely), and have quite a range of upgrades and build options. One note with all these server type 1u rack units like the sun 20z or hp dl360 is that they sound like a cessna taking off. So only suitable for a machine room. I work a lot with x306's and an x365, and the same applies to them. Server room only. Matt ps. I have no connection to sun. Lindsay (and I have no connection to IBM) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Possibly out-of-scope for what you are doing, but I recently had a look at the IBM blade servers. They are very quiet compared with the 1u pizza boxes, mainly because the blower is bigger and doesn't have to run as fast as the little 1U fans have to achieve the same cooling effect. There is also a muffler available if you need to get it even quieter. Then again, if your computer room is too hot, everything will be noisy. Bring the temperature down to you-need-jacket level and it all quietens down remarkably. Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Lindsay Holmwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2005 4:10 PM To: Slug list Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware. Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:18:44PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: Just wondering if there are any ideas out there about where to buy good compatible with Linux hardware. Possibly building a custom machine. Or how about 3 years warranty on a name brand server? HP? IBM? The obvious are HP, IBM or maybe DELL. I can't say enough of the IBM xSeries. They start at very reasonable prices, are certified to work with Linux, are very well supported (a number of IBM redbooks available on tweaking RHEL to work nicely), and have quite a range of upgrades and build options. One note with all these server type 1u rack units like the sun 20z or hp dl360 is that they sound like a cessna taking off. So only suitable for a machine room. I work a lot with x306's and an x365, and the same applies to them. Server room only. Matt ps. I have no connection to sun. Lindsay (and I have no connection to IBM) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses and other defects. As a result, such communications may not be successfully received or, if received, may cause interference with the integrity of receiving, processing or related systems (including hardware, software and data or information on, or using, that hardware or software). Aristocrat gives no assurances in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the veracity or integrity of any electronic communication we appear to have sent you, please call +61 2 9413 6300 for clarification. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:00:20PM +1000, Rowling, Jill wrote: Then again, if your computer room is too hot, everything will be noisy. Bring the temperature down to you-need-jacket level and it all quietens down remarkably. Ah, yeah, but that's the issue for some (most?) machine / linux combos; linux doesn't necessarily have the power / fan management required. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
If you are working on a budget I would very strongly recommend a couple of guys I found in Leichhardt. For about eight hundred dollars they put together a machine for me and gave me unlimited help setting up debian, Samba, Apache webserver and all the normal open office stuff. As a newbie I had a couple of one on one tutorials as an introduction to Linux and they couldn't have been more helpful with my flood of questions, even sitting with me as I struggled through some canon printer driver problems. Nice guys, and lots of help Rebo-Data Flood Lords Rd Leichhardt Ph 9572 8016 Good Luck Mark -Original Message- From: Lindsay Holmwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2005 4:10 PM To: Slug list Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware. Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:18:44PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: Just wondering if there are any ideas out there about where to buy good compatible with Linux hardware. Possibly building a custom machine. Or how about 3 years warranty on a name brand server? HP? IBM? The obvious are HP, IBM or maybe DELL. I can't say enough of the IBM xSeries. They start at very reasonable prices, are certified to work with Linux, are very well supported (a number of IBM redbooks available on tweaking RHEL to work nicely), and have quite a range of upgrades and build options. One note with all these server type 1u rack units like the sun 20z or hp dl360 is that they sound like a cessna taking off. So only suitable for a machine room. I work a lot with x306's and an x365, and the same applies to them. Server room only. Matt ps. I have no connection to sun. Lindsay (and I have no connection to IBM) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Well our home Athlon Debian system seems to know all about fan management (noisy bugger in summer!). Linux certainly has power and fan management, it's in the APM software suite. The only problems I have seen in APM is where the hardware manufacturer does not tell how to manage the fans. Start with the Red Hat hardware compatibility list: that, at least, will give you a list of hardware known to be working with Linux (aim for the fully qualified ones). The IBM bladeserver I was mentioning was running Linux (didn't check if it was Red Hat ES or SuSE), and certainly knows about cooling management. The Dell webpage is confusing if you look at their home/personal range as it's all Windows, but go to their corporate section and look under rack mount servers. They have Linux (Red Hat) as an option, and that will know about fan management. But the Dells are noisy. Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Matthew Hannigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 9:41 AM To: Rowling, Jill Cc: Slug list Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware. On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:00:20PM +1000, Rowling, Jill wrote: Then again, if your computer room is too hot, everything will be noisy. Bring the temperature down to you-need-jacket level and it all quietens down remarkably. Ah, yeah, but that's the issue for some (most?) machine / linux combos; linux doesn't necessarily have the power / fan management required. Matt -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses and other defects. As a result, such communications may not be successfully received or, if received, may cause interference with the integrity of receiving, processing or related systems (including hardware, software and data or information on, or using, that hardware or software). Aristocrat gives no assurances in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the veracity or integrity of any electronic communication we appear to have sent you, please call +61 2 9413 6300 for clarification. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Rowling, Jill wrote:
Well our home Athlon Debian system seems to know all about fan management
(noisy bugger in summer!).
And don't forget to examine the sound path and sound deadening
opportunites along the way like curtains, canite, etc. sometimes more
productive.
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Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Ben Donohue wrote: Just wondering if there are any ideas out there about where to buy good compatible with Linux hardware. Possibly building a custom machine. Or how about 3 years warranty on a name brand server? HP? IBM? 4G Might not get much with a brand name. I wouldn't bother with virtualisation - I reckon its overrated :) also, I would save money on the hardware and go for decent bandwidth. Hosting on broadband (adsl certainly) is never a great idea. Knock off 1G and spend it on colo for a year. much better off.. we do this sort of stuff for a living if you want to call me about it tomorrow. dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:18:44PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: [ .. ] Hardware wise I was given the amount or around $4000. I am looking at around 3Ghz server with SATA drives RAID 5. It will be on a broadband connection. Just wondering if there are any ideas out there about where to buy good compatible with Linux hardware. Possibly building a custom machine. Or how about 3 years warranty on a name brand server? HP? IBM? The obvious are HP, IBM or maybe DELL. But you should consider the Sun 20z -- certified for linux, No weirdarse hardware raid that is incompletely supported. Good LOM (lights out management -- they run an embedded linux on powerpc that is on even when the machine is down) Price competitive. Uses opterons. The base model plus extra disk, plus plain hardware support might sneak in under 4k. One note with all these server type 1u rack units like the sun 20z or hp dl360 is that they sound like a cessna taking off. So only suitable for a machine room. Matt ps. I have no connection to sun. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Matthew Hannigan wrote: One note with all these server type 1u rack units like the sun 20z or hp dl360 is that they sound like a cessna taking off. So only suitable for a machine room. Now, that's a sound I like - rather like a well oiled sewing machine :) -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannet.com.au -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; When you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
