Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Linux is ever going to compete with MAC/Windows on a commercial level why not have a hybrid GNOME/KDE/SOLARIS (UNIX) distro, and essentially take the best qualities of each? Why does Linux need to compete? That way lies stupidity like OpenOffice copying the worst features of Microsoft Word's user interface. If you are a Linux distributor that decides you do want to compete with Microsoft then why would you involve Sun? Sun and Novell both had ample opportunity to compete with Microsoft and fluffed it. What can they contribute? And will that contribution bring with it the seeds of failure of their previous attempts? In practice the opposite to your question is happening. Solaris is taking the best of the FOSS software in order to remain competitive. In a supreme irony, so is SCO. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
I think Linux needs does to stay competitive with other kernels. New platforms are always coming out, and I'd like to see Linux continue to shine on them (compared with other kernels). I'm referring to Linux as an OS kernel, not all the other FOSS software like OpenOffice. There are some really interesting things coming out in virtual server space. Remember also that the collection of kernel-less GNU software has been around long before Linux became popular. So I don't see that there is a problem with distro folks wanting to put a bundle of useful things with a Solaris, BSD or Mach kernel. The complaint about Open Office's user interface being like MS Office is really nothing to do with Linux, and a lot to do with whatever the end user wanted. For that matter, you can install another Office package. You don't even need to use MS Office on Windows, you can use another.* * although there are getting fewer of them. BTW did anyone else do a double take with that name, Nexenta? It went past me as Netra with Xen. Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Glen Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 28 November 2005 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Linux is ever going to compete with MAC/Windows on a commercial level why not have a hybrid GNOME/KDE/SOLARIS (UNIX) distro, and essentially take the best qualities of each? Why does Linux need to compete? That way lies stupidity like OpenOffice copying the worst features of Microsoft Word's user interface. If you are a Linux distributor that decides you do want to compete with Microsoft then why would you involve Sun? Sun and Novell both had ample opportunity to compete with Microsoft and fluffed it. What can they contribute? And will that contribution bring with it the seeds of failure of their previous attempts? In practice the opposite to your question is happening. Solaris is taking the best of the FOSS software in order to remain competitive. In a supreme irony, so is SCO. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to run Linux applications through Solaris? Sun's Project Janus provides (or will provide) a RHEL ABI on Solaris. Or you can just build FOSS apps on Solaris - it's just another *nix after all. I was reading in distrowatch.com that a new distro, Nexenta, is seeking to marry GNU and Solaris, which literally thinking this seems like a good idea. It's Ubuntu (which in turn is Debian) built on the Solaris kernel. Being new to Linux I am amazed at the number of distros available in the marketplace. If Linux is ever going to compete with MAC/Windows on a commercial level why not have a hybrid GNOME/KDE/SOLARIS (UNIX) distro, and essentially take the best qualities of each? Because sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts. :-) Many would argue (with and without bigotry) that Linux has substantially more life to it than Solaris, despite both (now) being FOSS. Though I totally love the new stuff Sun are doing with Solaris, I tend to agree. Projects that do not have a single commercial interest behind them tend to succeed slowly but surely, because there are more stakeholders betting on it, and greater sense of shared responsibility and freedom. Lots of examples out there. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ Self-assertive pants are filled with confidence. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
quote who=Jeff Waugh Because sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts. :-) Many would argue (with and without bigotry) that Linux has substantially more life to it than Solaris, despite both (now) being FOSS. Though I totally love the new stuff Sun are doing with Solaris, I tend to agree. Projects that do not have a single commercial interest behind them tend to succeed slowly but surely, because there are more stakeholders betting on it, and greater sense of shared responsibility and freedom. Lots of examples out there. :-) (Oh, and it is worth mentioning that they are making a good effort to fix that, too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ They are, as I told Telsa, all very small cheques. Indeed our cheques only come in one size, otherwise cheque books would be far too hard to manufacture. - Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
I really need to work on my Reply All button SLUG, Is it possible to run Linux applications through Solaris? I was reading in distrowatch.com that a new distro, Nexenta, is seeking to marry GNU and Solaris, which literally thinking this seems like a good idea. However there are known license issues. Is there a product like CodeWeavers available to Solaris to run Linux applications. Many of the larger linux based projects such as Apache, Gnome and MySQL have Solaris native ports already. Being new to Linux I am amazed at the number of distros available in the marketplace. Ain't choice grand :) If Linux is ever going to compete with MAC/Windows on a commercial level why not have a hybrid GNOME/KDE/SOLARIS (UNIX) distro, and essentially take the best qualities of each? Again there are legal issues as well as techinical problems with this. The first is the incompatibility between Suns CDDL (the license used to cover the OpenSolaris project) and the Free Software Foundations GPL which covers a hell of a lot of Linux based software. The Nexenta project brought this issue to light with its plans to use OpenSolaris kernel space and Ubuntu/Debian user space apps. Secondly, projects such as KDE and Gnome, as diametrically opposed as they may seem some times actually do cooperate on some levels to achieve at least some standardisation between the two desktop environs. And frankly I think the two push each other to bigger and better things rather than stagnating because they ae the only player. Dom -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://k-sit.com - My Blog http://la-pod.k-sit.com - Linux Australia Update Podcast, Blog and Forums Skype: purserj1977 -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://k-sit.com - My Blog http://la-pod.k-sit.com - Linux Australia Update Podcast, Blog and Forums Skype: purserj1977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to run Linux applications through Solaris? Sun's Project Janus provides (or will provide) a RHEL ABI on Solaris. Or you can just build FOSS apps on Solaris - it's just another *nix after all. You can also look at http://www.sunfreeware.com - it has a large chung of FOSS stuff pre-packaged for various Solaris versions. I was reading in distrowatch.com that a new distro, Nexenta, is seeking to marry GNU and Solaris, which literally thinking this seems like a good idea. It's Ubuntu (which in turn is Debian) built on the Solaris kernel. Being new to Linux I am amazed at the number of distros available in the marketplace. If Linux is ever going to compete with MAC/Windows on a commercial level why not have a hybrid GNOME/KDE/SOLARIS (UNIX) distro, and essentially take the best qualities of each? Because sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts. :-) Many would argue (with and without bigotry) that Linux has substantially more life to it than Solaris, despite both (now) being FOSS. Though I totally love the new stuff Sun are doing with Solaris, I tend to agree. Projects that do not have a single commercial interest behind them tend to succeed slowly but surely, because there are more stakeholders betting on it, and greater sense of shared responsibility and freedom. Lots of examples out there. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ Self-assertive pants are filled with confidence. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Solaris vs Linux .. Nexenta??
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:16:06PM +1100, Peter Howard wrote: Sun's Project Janus provides (or will provide) a RHEL ABI on Solaris. Or you can just build FOSS apps on Solaris - it's just another *nix after all. You can also look at http://www.sunfreeware.com - it has a large chung of FOSS stuff pre-packaged for various Solaris versions. If you want a more apt/yum ish sort of experience, then use http://blastwave.org/ -- Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
