Debian WSOD (was: Status of Debian Build)
Roland Mas, 2008-11-26 23:19:43 +0100 : > Timo Juhani Lindfors, 2008-11-26 22:10:48 +0200 : > >> Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Do you suspend a lot? I'm getting the WSOD rather too often on >>> wakeup (once yesterday, and thrice today)... >> >> Does adding "sleep 4" before and after "apm -s" help? > > Based on a quick grep, I added that on line 294 of > .../fso-frameworkd/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py. Let's see > how it turns out :-) ...it turned out white when I woke the phone this morning, unfortunately. Roland. -- Roland Mas 'And what would humans be without love?' RARE, said Death. -- in Sourcery (Terry Pratchett) ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: recommendations for calendar syncing between desktop and FR
Moritz Lennert, 2008-11-27 00:34:25 +0100 : > Hello, > > I would like to keep my freerunner calendar in sync with my desktop > calendar. Right now I use Icedove+Lightning on the desktop, but > that's not a must-have, so I can switch to something else. > > What do you all recommend as a setup for such sync'ing ? Not particularly a recommendation since I haven't tried it yet, but I'm told Dates uses Evolution Data Server as a backend, so maybe you can plug it onto a remote calendar server such as Davical. If not, then that would probably be a worthy addition, since you could have the same calendar on your desktop computer, laptop and phone. Roland. -- Roland Mas Plus on en fout, plus y'en a du riz. -- Proverbe chinois. ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: know wget URL, need git-clone URL
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2008-11-27 12:10:30 +0800 : > I wish the git beginner documentation would tell one how to > translate e.g., > http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git&a=blob_plain&f=install.sh > which is good for wget, to the URL one needs for git-clone to get > the same file. http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git contains two URLs you can use with git-clone. Roland. -- Roland Mas S'agirait pas d'atteindre la sublime transcendance du supramental sans se bouger le fion un minimum... -- in Sri Raoul le petit yogi (Gaudelette) ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [Debian/FSO] openmoko-panel-plugin: inflexibility in events processing
Hi, Arigead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think even a granny given an iPod for the first time would > have a fairly good stab at playing some music. Last time i had an iPod in my hands, i found the interface rather unintuitive, limiting and confusing. I can't imagine how that can be good for anybody. What i'd like for an interface is just some consistency on default installation and an ability to change anything later. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: guarantee xterm and a keyboard upon next reboot
Moritz Lennert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried this (without icewm options), but xvkdb just seems to ignore > the .Xdefaults file. Any hint why that may be ? Did you load the Xdefault with "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults"? ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Possible muxer bug (was Re: Zhone doesn't show my contacts and messages after restart)
Hi, "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Wednesday 26 November 2008 21:56:19 schrieb Paul Fertser: >> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Am Monday 24 November 2008 13:33:54 schrieb Paul Fertser: >> >> >> I think i know what happens. If i restart Zhone without restarting >> >> >> frameworkd it never receives ReadyStatus signal from >> >> >> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM because sim was ready long ago it >> >> >> started. >> >> > >> >> > This should no longer be a problem as nowadays, if the last GSM user >> >> > vanishes from the bus, the GSM resource (hence the modem) gets >> >> > shutdown completely. ... >> Moreover, even provided zhone is the only app using the GSM >> resource, are you sure that gsm0710muxd will power-cycle the modem? > > Yes. Shutting down the resource will shut down gsm0710muxd, which in effect, > turns off the modem. I'll try to provide the logs where after the Zhone restart %CSTAT never comes but it's still possible to read the information from SIM. In fact, as a quick work-around i added activation of SimReady to the network registration event. What i see every time i reboot zhone+frameworkd+gsm0710muxd is that right after the registration zhone receives the SimReady signal and tries to read the Phonebook. Not all entries are read, however as the sim is not really ready yet. After some time %CSTAT finally comes and zhone rereads the book, now with all entries present. I think i saw the same behaviour using some simple (probably Nokia) cellphone. Actually, i've just tried to gather the logs for the case of restarting zhone and it seems that part of the phonebook was lost during transfer from the phone to the ogsmd. No, really. 2008.11.27 13:40:33 ogsmdDEBUG: got 256 bytes from: '51071",145,"004500780061006D0073"\r\n+CPBR: 37,"xxx",129,"00560054"\r\n+CPBR: 38,"xxx",145,"0041006E0074006F006E00200050006F007A0064006E00650076"\r\n+CPBR: 39,"xxx",129,"0041006E0074006F006E00200050006F007A0064006E0065007600200048"\r\n+CPBR: 40,"79' 2008.11.27 13:40:35 ogsmdDEBUG: got 122 bytes from: 'xxx",145,"005000650072006C0061006D006F006E"\r\n+C07500650074007A0020004D"\r\n+CPBR: 220,"xxx",145,"0041007200610' 2008.11.27 13:40:35 ogsmdDEBUG: got 32 bytes from: '070006F0076002000530059"\r\n\r\nOK\r\n' 2008.11.27 13:40:42 ogsmdDEBUG: TIMEOUT 'AT+CPBS="SM";+CPBR=1,220' => ??? Notice the garbage right before the 220th entry. We saw something equally weird from my other log. :( And there's an entry number 41 as well as others (41-219) present in the debug log: Nov 27 13:40:33 debian-gta02 /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[27748]: gsm0710muxd.c:374:syslogdump(): ~~. Nov 27 13:40:33 debian-gta02 /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[27748]: gsm0710muxd.c:374:syslogdump(): > >> As the exact documentation on %CSTAT is unavailable (thank you, TI), i >> >> looked it up in Enfora's. It says that the %CSTAT codes will be >> >> delivered only after power on. If it is really the case with calypso >> >> it is no surprise that we never get SimReady signal as we don't >> >> power-cycle the modem (ATZ seems to be not equivalent, and we can't do >> >> $RESET). So it seems that %CSTAT should be avoided altogether... >> > >> > It's a question of alternatives. I don't think hammering the modem with >> > read/write contact requests until it stops answering with 'SIM busy' is >> > better than using %CSTAT. >> >> Do it once, then if 'SIM busy' received, wait for the %CSTAT. What's >> wrong with this approach? > > The fact that it only works if the Calypso is in a good mood. If the timing > is > wrong, you get an empty list of contacts... So, the modem firmware is buggy, the documentation is absent, and though you can probably convince the guy who can modify the firmware to fix this bug, it would be too late (he's now busy fixing #1024, i suppose) and you don't want to mass-upgrade it anyway. So the only possible solution i see is to let applications get the phone- and messagebooks anyway. You tell them that sim is probably not ready but if they try, they can get whatever the modem gives. When %CSTAT received, you send them a signal to reread. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Status of Debian Build
i use it for weeks now with debian and it's ok. Do you suspend a lot? yupp, all the time. never ever had the wsod (*with a firm grip on some wood*) ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: know wget URL, need git-clone URL
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.11.2008, 12:10 +0800 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I wish the git beginner documentation would tell one how to translate > e.g., http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git&a=blob_plain&f=install.sh > which is good for wget, to the URL one needs for git-clone to get the > same file. actually, an URL that’s better suitable for wget (as it does not contain shell meta chars) is http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh which is just a redirect to the above URL. I should mention that on http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/ Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: recommendations for calendar syncing between desktop and FR
What do you all recommend as a setup for such sync'ing ? is there some kind of calendar in fso already? if not, the sync depends on the calendar installed on your fr. if that's your question, so i propose osmo. it small, it's in debian and since one of the latest releases it fits one the screen of the fr just nice (there's a param you need to append on start). osmo offers additionally a contacts and tasks management. contacts are stored as vcf (and i patched zhone to read them instead of my empty sim), tasks and calendar use similar standard file formats (ical for calendar, i think). so, as long as your local pim supports vcf and so on in both directions it should be pretty simple to keep them in sync with ech other. http://clay.ll.pl/osmo/ ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: guarantee xterm and a keyboard upon next reboot
On 27/11/08 09:56, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Moritz Lennert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I tried this (without icewm options), but xvkdb just seems to ignore the .Xdefaults file. Any hint why that may be ? Did you load the Xdefault with "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults"? No I didn't... But I have found in the meantime that I can just call it .Xresources instead of .Xdefaults and it gets automatically taken into account... (Using nodm BTW.) However, I still can't seem to make it respect -geometry, even from the command line... I guess I'll just have to go back and read some FM... Moritz ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [Debian/FSO] openmoko-panel-plugin: inflexibility in events processing
I sort of disagree with you. People do not read the manual when they get a device. They try to use it and if they have to resort to the manual the designer has failed. with so complex a device the freerunner is, it is bound to require some studying before being able to use it fully. things like a mobile phone in the 21t century should be as close to intuitive as makes no difference. and that's, i think, is the core problem: the freerunner is no mobile phone! it does not simply do calls and sms. it's a full fledged computer which allows even for phone functionality. and for intuitivity: why has mcdonalds in the us of a to print "caution! hot!" on it's coffee cups? who expects cold coffee in a newly purchased coffee mug? why has a microwave to say "don't put pets in here!"? intuitive means basically nothing else than: meet the user's expectations -- and those users are trained by other paradigms already. the "start" button of windows 95 needed user training (who'd guess "start" means shutdown?) and still there's a popup on hover telling you, what's the meaning of so integral a part of the windows gui -- after about 12 years! ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
freerunner debian on nand
instead on the sd card it is possible to install debian on the "normal" space? ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: freerunner debian on nand
Davide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > instead on the sd card it is possible to install debian > on the "normal" space? Sure but you need to save space? ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
FSO counts on "killall" presence which is not installed in Debian by default (was: Re: Zhone doesn't show my contacts and messages after restart)
Hi, A followup to the original problem of not showing contacts. The problem seems to be Debian-related. > "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Am Wednesday 26 November 2008 21:56:19 schrieb Paul Fertser: >>> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >> > Am Monday 24 November 2008 13:33:54 schrieb Paul Fertser: >>> >> >> I think i know what happens. If i restart Zhone without restarting >>> >> >> frameworkd it never receives ReadyStatus signal from >>> >> >> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM because sim was ready long ago it >>> >> >> started. >>> >> > >>> >> > This should no longer be a problem as nowadays, if the last GSM user >>> >> > vanishes from the bus, the GSM resource (hence the modem) gets >>> >> > shutdown completely. > ... >>> Moreover, even provided zhone is the only app using the GSM >>> resource, are you sure that gsm0710muxd will power-cycle the modem? >> >> Yes. Shutting down the resource will shut down gsm0710muxd, which in effect, >> turns off the modem. def close( self ): # SYNC """ Close modem. Overriden for internal purposes. """ # call default implementation (closing all channels) AbstractModem.close( self ) # FIXME ok this is a bit hefty. gsm0710muxd has open/close dbus calls, # but last time I checked they weren't working. subprocess.call( "killall gsm0710muxd", shell=True ) It seems somebody's gotta fix gsm0710muxd ;) BTW, i get buggy (losing information from the modem) behaviour with it today all day long. Especially i can't read phonebook cleanly. Killed it and executed without -vvv flags and it's "stable" as it was earlier. "It's getting curiouser and curiouser" indeed. -- "Don't know why i feel so bad. Is it just the weather or am I going mad?" Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
[debian/fso] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6-2.1 problems
Since a short time i have one big problem with my beloved o-p-p. When i start o-p-p, which doesn't always work at the first try, it quits after a random time period. Sometimes it quits just a few seconds after i started it and sometimes it quites after a few hours. But i can be sure that it quits while i use my fr over the day. This is really sad because o-p-p is my most precious application at the moment. :) Now i want to ask if this problem is known or am i the only one having trouble with o-p-p? Ciao, Rainer ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [debian/fso] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6-2.1 sporadically quits
Hi, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since a short time i have one big problem with my beloved o-p-p. When i > start o-p-p, which doesn't always work at the first try, it quits after > a random time period. Sometimes it quits just a few seconds after i > started it and sometimes it quites after a few hours. But i can be sure > that it quits while i use my fr over the day. I can confirm i experience the same. I wasn't able to track down the problem yet, but i have a suggestion. If you run o-p-p like this (anyone please suggest a better example): screen -d -m bash -c 'python -m trace --trace /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin; sleep 1' (you must have screen installed, of course), you might be able to see the exact reason why it has quit (as soon as you see that o-p-p is gone, reattach to the screen session by "screen -r" and you'll see the last steps of the program. screen has a scrollback buffer as well. If you don't know the GNU screen yet, you better learn ;) ) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: FSO counts on "killall" presence which is not installed in Debian by default (was: Re: Zhone doesn't show my contacts and messages after restart)
Am Thursday 27 November 2008 22:48:31 schrieb Paul Fertser: > # FIXME ok this is a bit hefty. gsm0710muxd has open/close dbus > calls, # but last time I checked they weren't working. > subprocess.call( "killall gsm0710muxd", shell=True ) > > It seems somebody's gotta fix gsm0710muxd ;) For now I rewrote said part to use a POSIX call. > BTW, i get buggy (losing information from the modem) behaviour with it > today all day long. Especially i can't read phonebook cleanly. Killed > it and executed without -vvv flags and it's "stable" as it was > earlier. "It's getting curiouser and curiouser" indeed. Strange. Could that be http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1435 by any chance? -- :M: ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [debian/fso] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6-2.1 sporadically quits
Paul Fertser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Since a short time i have one big problem with my beloved o-p-p. When i
>> start o-p-p, which doesn't always work at the first try, it quits after
>> a random time period. Sometimes it quits just a few seconds after i
>> started it and sometimes it quites after a few hours. But i can be sure
>> that it quits while i use my fr over the day.
>
> I can confirm i experience the same. I wasn't able to track down the
> problem yet, but i have a suggestion. If you run o-p-p like this
> (anyone please suggest a better example):
>
> screen -d -m bash -c 'python -m trace --trace /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin;
> sleep 1'
>
> (you must have screen installed, of course), you might be able to see
> the exact reason why it has quit (as soon as you see that o-p-p is
> gone, reattach to the screen session by "screen -r" and you'll see the
> last steps of the program. screen has a scrollback buffer as well. If
> you don't know the GNU screen yet, you better learn ;) )
I know screen and how it works but i never thought of this way. ;)
I tested it and after my first try o-p-p starts and quits immediately
with a memory access error ("Speicherzugriffsfehler" in german).
After i started it again it runs for about 10 minutes and than quits
with [1]. Before this error all output looks fine with no error message
before it quits as i can see. Unfortunately this message does not say
which ressource is meant by "temporarily unavailable".
If it helps i can attach the trace log since i started o-p-p but it has
grown to 19MB for these ~10 minutes. ;)
Ciao,
Rainer
[1]
XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server
":0.0"
after 8055 requests (8055 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
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