[RCSE] RE: Sagitta 900 nostalgia legal?
A couple of days ago I reported that the Sagitta 900 plan and construction article was printed in RCM for April 1981 and is thus not Nostalgia class legal. As I reread the article, I discovered there is a wrinkle in the story. The introduction, written by Lee Renaud, the designer, says in part: The Sagitta is one of the new breed which has already proven itself a World Class design in both AMA and F3-B competition. First flown on July 20, 1979 (the tenth anniversary of the first flight of the original Olympic 99 and Neil Armstrong's lunar landing) -- Sagitta has been very successful. The version described in this article is the original gas-bag which I flew to 3rd place in the 1979 International LSF Tournament. This same ship was flown by Skip Miller after the contest and turned in sub-10 second speeds over the FAI F3-B course. Further developments of the design with straight wings and ailerons, plus fully sheeted wings helped Don Edberg to gain a place on the 1981 USA R/C Soaring Team. Dwight Holley also gained his team spot flying the version described herin, with a thicker stab section to suit Dwight's flying style. Four of the top six places in the Team Selection Finals were gained by Sagittas, including those flown by Skip Miller and Larry Jolly. So although the design was not available to the public before the April 1981 RCM issue hit the stands (or whenever the Airtronics kit appeared), it is clear that it was used in a sanctioned contest in 1979 and several people had built and were flying it in time for the 1981 Team Selection Finals (probably in 1980 given publication deadlines, etc). Well, when you make class rules, you have to draw a line somewhere. The Nostalgia class rules I have read would still not allow the Sagitta 900 because it wasn't released before 1/1/80 but it is clearly a near miss. A slightly different implementation of the rules might allow it. From a technical point of view, the thing that sets Sagitta apart from predecessors is probably the Eppler 205 coupled with the relativly low aspect ratio (10.9 mean, 9.9 root). Remember that this occured at the time that speed was just becoming a significant event in U.S. thermal glider competition. Before that it was pretty much all duration and landing as far as contests were concerned. Sagitta was one of the first, perhaps the very first U.S. design that could go fast reasonably efficiently as well as thermal well and manouver well for landing. In that sense it probably makes sense to disallow it from Nostalgia. Up to that point speed was mostly not a big concern in thermal machines except for those doing cross country. Mark Holm [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] More Dodgson stuff
If you'd like to learn more about Dodgson and his planes, try: http://home.earthlink.net/~kharig/index.htm Just a couple of months ago I acquired the Dodgson video which is now a classic. back in the Dodgson heyday I always thought a sponsored discussion between Bob Dodgson and Frank Weston would have been a real R/C soaring event. Probably showing my age, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Ohmark mixers
Studio B used to sell a slick electronic mixer that had a dip switch to allow for setting different percentages of mixing aileron and elevator in an elevon set up. Who is selling this mixer now that Studio is long gone. Ed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] More Dodgson stuff
Thanks for mentioning my page. Not sure if event is the right word for a meeting of The Minds. I do find it interesting how many of the latest and greatest planes share many traits of their designs. Within the next few days I will post some articles on my site from Dodgson that have never been published before. Should be interesting, Dodgson certainly has a unique style! Kristopher - Original Message - From: James C Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: [RCSE] More Dodgson stuff If you'd like to learn more about Dodgson and his planes, try: http://home.earthlink.net/~kharig/index.htm Just a couple of months ago I acquired the Dodgson video which is now a classic. back in the Dodgson heyday I always thought a sponsored discussion between Bob Dodgson and Frank Weston would have been a real R/C soaring event. Probably showing my age, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] sailplanes as art
In a message dated 9/29/2001 6:34:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey now, I'm one of the luckey ones. I've got fourty foot open beam ceilings. So I hang all my planes from those like at the hobby shop or a small boys room...Now that the wife is used to it she even likes them. RobII Limited to one plane in our vaulted living room...currently a small un is up there, I should shock the wife with my 3.5M Fox, but then it ain't no hanger queen. Eric RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Ohmark mixers
www.tgworks.com has some ohmark mixers, I believe. Lift, Scobie used to sell a slick electronic mixer that had a dip switch to allow for setting different percentages of mixing aileron and elevator in an elevon set up. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Ohmark mixers
Thanks to all that responded to my request. Ed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] sailplanes as art
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey now, I'm one of the luckey ones. I've got fourty foot open beam ceilings. So I hang all my planes from those like at the hobby shop or a small boys room...Now that the wife is used to it she even likes them. RobII Limited to one plane in our vaulted living room...currently a small un is up there, I should shock the wife with my 3.5M Fox, but then it ain't no hanger queen. Hey now, Right now there's about 25 planes hanging up right now, only three are hanger queens. A slimer trainer, a slimer aerobat, and a two meter poly. The rest fly often. I have lines slung over the rafters and cleated off to the walls so I can raise or lower them at any time. Mostly this keeps them out of the hands of my kids (three and six yrs). Works well, looks cool. RobII ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Erica FrankRob CarterII [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everybody understands Mickey mouse. Few understand Herman Hesse. Hardly anyone understands Albert Einstein. And nobody understands Emperor Norten -Malaclypse the younger- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] winggrid
Have a look at this: http://www.winggrid.ch/ What do you think ? Will that work ? Stefan. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Smets;Stefan FN:Stefan Smets ORG:Notariaat NOTE:During daytime, I can be reached on my mobile phone, not on any business address, since I work at two different places. TEL;HOME;VOICE:016 62.16.07 TEL;CELL;VOICE:0477 28.53.63 ADR;HOME:;;Geestbosstraat 24;Lubbeek;;3210;Belgium LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Geestbosstraat 24=0D=0ALubbeek 3210=0D=0ABelgium X-WAB-GENDER:2 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20010124T205958Z END:VCARD
