[RCSE] Robert L Scott
Tonight, I found that Robert L. Scott, the author of God Is My Copilot, just died. He was one of my heros that I got to meet, even if only for a few minutes. The following is a story about meeting him that I wrote a couple of years ago. Chuck Anderson When I was in elementary school, I read two books that had a significant influence on my life. The first was I Wanted Wings by Bernie Ley and the other was God Is my Copilot by Colonel Robert L. Scott. God Is My Copilot was made into a very poor movie with some good flying scenes that I enjoyed in spite of the stupid script. Col. Scott built and flew model airplanes during WW I and even built a hang glider that he promptly crashed into a thorn bush. I tried to emulate his model flying but skipped the glider part. Robert L Scott graduated from West Point the year I was born but, strange as it seems, our Air Force careers overlapped. General Scott retired from the Air Force in October 1957 while I completed my tour of active duty in January 1958. I have owned a paper back copy of God Is My Copilot since the early 50s and read it many times. In 1990, I found a 1943 first edition of God Is My Copilot in a used bookstore in San Angelo, Texas. I had heard that General Scott had retired to his hometown of Macon, GA and spent a lot of time in the Aviation Museum at Robins AFB. I always stop at every aviation museum I pass but never managed to get to the one at Robins AFB until November 2002. I stopped in for a couple of hours and was surprised at the number of airplanes on display. They even had one of every plane I flew in my 26 years in the Air Force, Air Force Reserve, and Air National Guard. When I arrived, I ask about General Scott and was told that he was in that day but had gone to lunch. He was over 90 years old and I was surprised to find he was still active in the museum. I waited around until General Scott returned. A tall slender gray-haired man entered and I finally got to meet a hero that had such a great influence in my life. He retired as a General but to me, he will always be Colonel Robert L. Scott of the Flying Tigers. Now my 1943 original edition of God is my Copilot is autographed by the author. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Robert L Scott
Chuck: You spoil us, great story. I can imagine you were thrilled to meet him and have autograph of this great American. Stan Chuck Anderson wrote: Tonight, I found that Robert L. Scott, the author of God Is My Copilot, just died. He was one of my heros that I got to meet, even if only for a few minutes. The following is a story about meeting him that I wrote a couple of years ago. Chuck Anderson When I was in elementary school, I read two books that had a significant influence on my life. The first was I Wanted Wings by Bernie Ley and the other was God Is my Copilot by Colonel Robert L. Scott. God Is My Copilot was made into a very poor movie with some good flying scenes that I enjoyed in spite of the stupid script. Col. Scott built and flew model airplanes during WW I and even built a hang glider that he promptly crashed into a thorn bush. I tried to emulate his model flying but skipped the glider part. Robert L Scott graduated from West Point the year I was born but, strange as it seems, our Air Force careers overlapped. General Scott retired from the Air Force in October 1957 while I completed my tour of active duty in January 1958. I have owned a paper back copy of God Is My Copilot since the early 50s and read it many times. In 1990, I found a 1943 first edition of God Is My Copilot in a used bookstore in San Angelo, Texas. I had heard that General Scott had retired to his hometown of Macon, GA and spent a lot of time in the Aviation Museum at Robins AFB. I always stop at every aviation museum I pass but never managed to get to the one at Robins AFB until November 2002. I stopped in for a couple of hours and was surprised at the number of airplanes on display. They even had one of every plane I flew in my 26 years in the Air Force, Air Force Reserve, and Air National Guard. When I arrived, I ask about General Scott and was told that he was in that day but had gone to lunch. He was over 90 years old and I was surprised to find he was still active in the museum. I waited around until General Scott returned. A tall slender gray-haired man entered and I finally got to meet a hero that had such a great influence in my life. He retired as a General but to me, he will always be Colonel Robert L. Scott of the Flying Tigers. Now my 1943 original edition of God is my Copilot is autographed by the author. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Robert L Scott
Cool story Chuck. Makes me want to get a copy of the book and read it. happy trails - Rob Glover Tonight, I found that Robert L. Scott, the author of God Is My Copilot, just died. He was one of my heros that I got to meet, even if only for a few minutes. The following is a story about meeting him that I wrote a couple of years ago. Chuck Anderson
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
I can remember having to remove servos for gearset repairs and I remember having to glue one back in when the servo unglued itself at a contest (Eloy AZ). I can take the blame for all of the times this kind of stuff has happened, but when it happens, a glued in servo requires more effort to remove and replace than a screwed in servo. I have been making my own frames for a few years now by laminating spruce strip stock with overlaping corners by using the subject servo as a model, using thin CA as the glue, relieving where required for output arms and the wiring. Either screw the servo down thru the mounting flanges if using a wing servo or fab a small aluminum strap to hold the servo into the frame when using a conventional servo. These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. Each frame takes about and hour to build up and for the frugal minded modeler, they are dirt cheap. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frames? I don't use them... they're heavy, they add weight. I can't remember the last time I had to change out a servo. 2 cents D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
I epoxy all my wing servos in but I do sand the case w/150 grit to get a bite on the case, I never use tape or heat shrink over the servo, just sand to a dull finish and spooge in. There are many photos of the spooge in instillation on my site www.f3x.com in the how to build section. Use good servos and land with your flaps up and they will not need fixing! If at a contest you did need to fix one they go right back in the custom molded spooge pocket with a finger wipe of 5 minute or a squirt of thick CA. Usually no re-trimming needed. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Corey Groves; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Used that method on my (used) Amethyst. It came with those blue plastic frames for Volz servos already glued. Made an Aluminum strap and screwed down my lowly Hitec HS85MG's. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
A Samba Jane, You have to love the mini skirt and GoGo boots in the snow! Now when is my trip back to Czech? Oh yea! April baby!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 http://www.skipmillermodels.com/pikeperfect.php RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Decaf, Daryl, Decaf Darwin - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Destroying servos
what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Nothing. The problem for me was crappy building. Dunce cap was on brain was not. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Daryl, To each their own, but my guess is that using the Greening Mounts or light ply mounts like the Volz servos come with can be done as light or lighter than gluing in with epoxy. I personally will take the extra time use a mount on any molded plane I do unless installing gear for someone else that asks me to glue them in. Gluing them in is a heck of alot easier and faster to do when installing gear. BTW, aren't you the guy that likes to fly around with ballast in most of time so you can get from Thermal to Thermal faster. They all will go up once you get to the lift. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/03/01 Wed AM 10:43:31 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
- Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins ... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), Hey! I resemble that remark! :-) Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
BTW, aren't you the guy that likes to fly around with ballast in most of time so you can get from Thermal to Thermal faster. Well... uh yeah... that'd be me. But I'm quite anal about where the weight in my model is placed. I don't like weight in the extremities of any of my models. Ever notice how a model with heavy wingtips seems like the fin isn't large enough? I have to tell you guys something funny... last flight at both Visalia 05, and the SWC 06, I flew with 1 1/2 pounds ballast on my last flights. I didn't need any landing points... so I just wanted to minimize the risk of NOT getting to a thermal But I still don't build unnecessary weight into any of my models... I can always add it... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
A Greening servoframe for the DS-168 with screws weighs 4 grams. That's about .14 oz. And I don't think there will be a substantive difference in glue weight for gluing a frame vs a servo. To me, it's worth 4 grams to be able to service the servo or adjust the arm when required. --Jim Laurel Redmond, Washington USA -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Corey Groves; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Those heavy servo frames do weigh 4 grams each. That does mean adding .1410 oz to each servo. That can really make a plane too heavy. : ) T - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale: Daryl Perkins Space Pro
New Baby taken over the building bedroom and garage is full of diapers :) and being I only fly TD now... so I am selling this to free up some room. Prices lowered to $850 local pickup, zip code 92683. shipping and paypal fees on buyer This is almost %20 off what I paid for it :( Link for pics. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=470823#post5114559 PS. I will knock off more money for any Harbor Soaring Society member. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB; 6m scale plane
hi, i'm posting this for a good customer. must be in good condition, either RTF or unbuilt. contact Bill McCleary at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] thx, Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
Re: [RCSE] WTB; 6m scale plane (address correction)
sorry, lost the ''t' on the last email address i sent, should be; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] WTB; 6m scale plane hi, i'm posting this for a good customer. must be in good condition, either RTF or unbuilt. contact Bill McCleary at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] thx, Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
[RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames - DP's weakness.....
OK, so after having flown with and against the DP man for a few years, and paying attention to this list and his pet peeves, it has become painfully clear that there is a soft underbelly to the D man drum roll please... If you show up at the next contest with a wing servo install that convinces Daryl that he has 3.5 extra grams per servo unnecessarily built into his wing, then he will have that nagging at him as he shoots yet another picture perfect approach and pushes at exactly the right time to nail the hunski..Of course all of that is negated by the fact that there is a dollar or two riding on the score ;-) Its all about the buck. Chuckling out loud in So Cal. Guess I had better get back to work. Mike At 10:02 AM 3/1/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: BTW, aren't you the guy that likes to fly around with ballast in most of time so you can get from Thermal to Thermal faster. Well... uh yeah... that'd be me. But I'm quite anal about where the weight in my model is placed. I don't like weight in the extremities of any of my models. Ever notice how a model with heavy wingtips seems like the fin isn't large enough? I have to tell you guys something funny... last flight at both Visalia 05, and the SWC 06, I flew with 1 1/2 pounds ballast on my last flights. I didn't need any landing points... so I just wanted to minimize the risk of NOT getting to a thermal But I still don't build unnecessary weight into any of my models... I can always add it... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
That's the 2nd time that what I would consider a top flyer or top designer has talked completely differently about weight in a ship depending on where it's placed. Hmmm. I built the Drela Allegro-Lite last Fall, and for a 2-Meter built up ship, it will take as much lead as you can put in the belly - granted, it's a small belly, but still close to a pound. That in mind, when building the tips and tail feathers, weight was kept to a bare minumum, success measured in fractions of grams. The math supports it, if you care enough to fight through it, minimum speeds, mass and moment arms, headaches and sore eyes. All I really needed to hear (and basically hear again today) is that it affects how well your ship turns, how small a thermal you can work, the big things. Things I am filing away in case my thumbs ever catch up with that kind of advice... B RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
My question is who has done good, controlled detailed testing to see which is lighter, glued servos or frames? Assumptions and guesswork don't count. Real numbers please. Many times we assume that doing something a certain way is lighter/stronger but when real testing is done something different is noticed. Has this been tested? michael On 3/1/06, Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the 2nd time that what I would consider a top flyer or top designer has talked completely differently about weight in a ship depending on where it's placed. Hmmm. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
So DP, there I was with both aileron servo gearsets blown out in my SPACEPRO after a zoom launch. Very entertaining recovery without ailerons. Servos were glued in and came out with mucho effort. Repaired servos and glued them back in and on the very next zoom launch both aileron servo gearsets vaporized again. Discovered that JR 341 servos would accept JR 368 gears and I made the spruce mounts and solved that problem. Guess my zooms were too aggressive. Must be somthing in the water here in Michigan. And Darwin, you might be on to something about the caffene. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] test
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Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
- Original Message - From: Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the 2nd time that what I would consider a top flyer or top designer has talked completely differently about weight in a ship depending on where it's placed. Hmmm. The following is cut-and-pasted from RCgroups. It is written by Mark Drela. Maybe this is what you remembered: -- At the tail, and especially at the wingtips, the main concern is yaw inertia. For example, if you add 5g to each wingtip, you will... Increase weight by 0.7% Increase inertia by 5% So it really does pay to shave grams at the wingtips. As a reward you will get a -glider which handles better and signals lift better. -- eek.gif Description: GIF image
RE: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Thanks, Phil - That is what I was thinking of, the inertia is the killer in when you start adding weight at the end of an arm. I don't know which installed setup is the lightest; I just thought it was interesting that Daryl defended keeping weight down near the tips. Brent * flies those foam wings (made by Phil), very happily RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR Modules
Title: JR Modules I have a channel 43 and 44 JR transmitter modules for sale. $30 each shipped. gv
[RCSE] Stylus Modules for sale
Title: JR Modules Correction! These are Stylus modules, not JR From: George Voss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:22 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] JR Modules I have a channel 43 and 44 Airtronics Stylus transmitter modules for sale. $30 each shipped. gv
RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
Skip was a bit quick on us I guess. I did not know Samba had let him be so fast. So after a lot of calls today and a bit of fast action the Samba page is updated. Sorry for the commercial side of this message but there are more Jane pictures ;-) http://www.f3j.com/ Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:57:55 -0800 From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT A Samba Jane, You have to love the mini skirt and GoGo boots in the snow! Now when is my trip back to Czech? Oh yea! April baby!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 http://www.skipmillermodels.com/pikeperfect.php -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
I noticed that the heavier plane has the better performance numbers. Using those heavy servo frames must help. Don't tell Daryl. T - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT Skip was a bit quick on us I guess. I did not know Samba had let him be so fast. So after a lot of calls today and a bit of fast action the Samba page is updated. Sorry for the commercial side of this message but there are more Jane pictures ;-) http://www.f3j.com/ Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:57:55 -0800 From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT A Samba Jane, You have to love the mini skirt and GoGo boots in the snow! Now when is my trip back to Czech? Oh yea! April baby!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 http://www.skipmillermodels.com/pikeperfect.php -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fw: Genie pages update.
- Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Genie pages update. It's been hardly a month since the last update, but recent events have prompted changes in all but 4 of the 18 files at http://genie.rchomepage.com/. Friend Jay Decker has once again generously taken the time to post the changes. Most notably, Bill and Bunny Kuhlman, the managing editors of the online RCSD, have decided to do a series of articles on the Genie line of scratch-buildable sailplanes. Their merits are discussed in the What's a Genie? file. The applicable pages in the March issue, are 3, 12, 13, 14 and 15. I've made a new friend in Chris Boultinghouse of Austin, Tx. who has started a build of the big Genie and will be documenting it for RCSD in a series of issues. I've sold new big Genie #28 and have started #29. Something new always comes up to incorporate when building another, so the files get regularly updated. Nothing is set in stone as with a molded design that progressively ages. In any event, if you want input on the ships in the composite Genie line from other than me, the RCSD is now another source. Get into the on line magazine at http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com. Be patient for the downloading. There's a lot of material with pix in PDF format. If some of you fellows can use extra money, consider learning to build these ships for resale. Doing one a month is doable in evenings and weekends. #28 sold for $1,400 for the airframe, exclusive of radio gear in it. As long as there are flyers willing to pay the price, there is a place for builders to produce RTF airframes for them. I've been able to readily sell used ships I've built for my own use, as well as occasional new ones built on contract. It keeps me in new ships and new radio gear. I just recycle the same money over and over without ever digging into other resources. The thing is, the building of fine airframes is a doable art form. Materials are available. How to information is readily available in many sources, as well as in the Genie web pages. Just because ARF's are available is no reason to capitulate to what others offer and abandon the development and use of building skills, forgoing the satisfaction of working independently. Non-builders miss the greater joy of exercising their creative talents and give nothing back to the hobby. You don't know the level of gratification you are missing until you do something well yourself to take pride in. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
I have to say the lift distribution and lift coefficient curves look nearly perfect. Almost too good. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fwd: For Sale ...Johnnie do me a solid
---BeginMessage--- ---BeginMessage--- ---BeginMessage--- 1- Tragi-705 NIB ( original packing) - yellow/blue - ballast -1100.00 2-Tragi-705 (NEW)..limited flights -white/blue -ballast -JR -368's (6) -1500.00 3-Electric Topaz.. Brand new -CEM-600BL2 brushless/ CC speed control -JR-368's (3) -dual pack system (batt/motor) -800.00 4- 5..Hitec Super slim Rx's - JR plugs/48 crystal -250.00 5- 5..Multiplex IPD 7 channel Rx's -crystal 48 -300.00 6- 1..Multiplex IPD 9 channel Rx -crystal 48 -70.00 7- Multiplex Profi 4000 -excellent condition - with metal case, ALL switches,verbal count down - 600.00 8- 4..Airtronics/92777 Rx's - crystal 48 - 200.00 * everything sold is in excellent condition..alot of it has never been used !!! * first come first serve, sorry Does not included shipping Thanks, Hans (How about them Steelers ) ---End Message--- ---End Message--- ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
Hey, Bill--I dont know anything about lift distributions and coefficient curves---but Jane looks simply great to me. Jim Larkin - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT I have to say the lift distribution and lift coefficient curves look nearly perfect. Almost too good. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames - DP's weakness.....
How true... It is all about the buck! ;-) At 01:08 PM 3/1/2006, Mike Smith wrote: ;-) Its all about the buck. Chuckling out loud in So Cal. Guess I had better get back to work. Mike Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Need poys/gimbal assembly for an Aritocraft/Hitec Challenger 650 TX, any ideas?
I'm getting ready for my big nostalgia project to fly... a rebuilt Saratoga Windsong - and I have a perfect radio for it from the same era... except this TX was just bench tested and I find out the pots on the right-hand stick are shot. Serves me right, using it like a single-stick 2/3-channel all these years on my gliders:-) Aanyway, Polks doesn't seem to service transmitters any more, certainly not 20-year-old ones. I need either the pots, or the entire gimbal assembly from a similar Challenger 620 or 720 TX. Anybody have a source? I'm trying to not spend a lot for this... I have a guy that will install replacement pots if he could get a digi-key reference number for matching replacements One guy will sell me an entire 720 for 50 bucks, but that's steep on my budget, I was hoping to find the pots for a couple bucks somewhere... Help!
RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
What a beautiful model. And the sailplane looks very nice too. I want one. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 03:30 PM 3/1/2006, Jo Grini wrote: Skip was a bit quick on us I guess. I did not know Samba had let him be so fast. So after a lot of calls today and a bit of fast action the Samba page is updated. Sorry for the commercial side of this message but there are more Jane pictures ;-) http://www.f3j.com/ Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:57:55 -0800 From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT A Samba Jane, You have to love the mini skirt and GoGo boots in the snow! Now when is my trip back to Czech? Oh yea! April baby!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 http://www.skipmillermodels.com/pikeperfect.php -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selections 2007
I am trying to get the Muncie site date for TS resoved within a few more days. Otherwise doing good. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Skip Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Dave, Hope all is well. I stock four of the coolest f3b toys, crossfire,german eagle, VICTOR and x21..s when are the team selection finals?are they in muncie. hope all is well skip - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: [RCSE] F3B Team Selections 2007 Ok gentlemen, it seems there may be some interest in eliminating the qualifying requirement for F3B team selection. There is, I believe, a process already in place to resolve this question. The team selection commitee currently lead by Joe Wurts, can as a group, vote to support this proposal to eliminate the qualifying requirement for F3B team select and then present this to the AMA competition department with the request to mail out a ballot allowing all current participants to vote on this proposal. Now based on the publicty over the latest ballot voting failure this winter, I feel that the response would be outstanding. Whether the qualification requirement would pass or not is not the main issue here but getting the team selection comittee off the pot and getting the job done is the issue. It is very clear to me that if the TSC took a proactive stance supporting F3B we could have a much healthier program and isn't that what we all want. Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Phil, If keeping a few grams out from around the servo holes improves yaw inertia by 5% then how can loading your tube spar with ounces ballast be a real benefit? Wouldn't it turn a good performing sailplane into a slug int he turns? Wouldn't you want it in the fuselage around the CG? We are talking grams here and when was the last time you saw a servo mounted at the tip? I can appreciate what Mark D. is saying but . Mark Miller At the tail, and especially at the wingtips, the main concern is yaw inertia. For example, if you add 5g to each wingtip, you will... Increase weight by 0.7% Increase inertia by 5% So it really does pay to shave grams at the wingtips. As a reward you will get a -glider which handles better and signals lift better. -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Airtronics Modules sold to DR
Title: Airtronics Modules sold to DR The modules are sold. gv
Re: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
In a message dated 3/1/2006 6:28:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but Jane looks simply great to me. Ski pants BAD!, miniskirt GOOD! Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
That's what everybody said, so a few years ago I glued the servos into a new Extreme (5 min + lots of silica). That plane met an early...ahem...demise...and I decided to test the servo removal theory. Destroyed both flap servos...first tried twisting (that always works) and cleaned all the edges off the cases doing that. Then, tried the rod-through-the-root-and-tap method (that REALLY always works). Uh huh. Crushed the cases the rest of the way, and they STILL did not budge. Ended up having to pry and pretty much wrecked the skins doing it. No, never again. Even though I've only had to replace one servo in 5 years, I'll put up with the .15 oz added weight and use frames. Tom Daryl Perkins wrote: They pop right out if need be. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Model Aviation
I wonder how many of you have read the March edition of Model Aviation ?. In this writers opinion they have done it again, or perhaps I should write, failed to do it again. I have read and re read trying to find any thing that this group presumably the largest percentage of whom are AMA members discuss ie soaring. I don't know if Bob Hunt the Aeromodeling Editor wrote his editorial some what tongue in cheek, he writes quote I reasoned that a contest between an RC club a CL club and an FF club would achieve a closer bond with modelers of differing interests end of quote we can judge from that RC soaring is not one of his interests ! Our, yes our magazine editors might keep his comments in mind with future publications and give the soaring fraternity equal coverage.whilst I personally have a varied range of interests from scratch built scale planes/boats/cars my first love is sailplanes RES 2M and Scale, therefore it is irksome to see our magazine 80% to 90% devoted to power. I wonder if were possible to do a bi-monthly soaring supplement that way every one could be satisfied. I just wish this was not the only game in town ! I was almost tempted to open up the preverbal can of worms SMAE v BARKS a lesson in complacency David AKA The Brit david alchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
