[RCSE] Re-covering an Organic, the secret adhesive answer!
Hi guys, Every once in awhile this topic pops up because "ORGANIC" planes like the 2m Organic (the source of the term 'organic' construction, as in open bay, oracovered, but a mix of balsa and composite)because plane like the 2m Organic lend themselves to being renewed very easily. The covering does age, so it loses some of its ability to provide strength and contour, and of course gets poked and patched during a season of flying contests. First the trick to getting it off. Use a very hot covering iron and just 'walking off' its edges. The glue that is used get hard so takes a lot more heat to get it pliable for removal. Once the covering is off, you can use a fresh Xacto blade to scrap off the spots of color that stayed in place. You can use Acetone to wipe off spot of glue left over, but in fact they don't bother anything. Once you got it as clean as you'd like, Mix up a shot glass cup of Elmers glue and some water to thin it down to a fairly watery mix. Stir it up well then use an acid brush or the like to paint it on to the areas you will be covering. Carbon areas as well as on covering over laps. It doesn't need to be thick, just there. It will dry clear in about 30mins. Any excess over lap can be wiped away with warm water, when you are done. I have covered and patched a few hundred times this way. About the same difficulty removing as the original glue. Then use your iron set hot to shrink the bays tight, starting in the middle and working toward the ends and corners. Gordy Raleigh or bust
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7270
i sold them several years ago, sorry. bill
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7272
why not use lipo? i got a lipo pack from Common Sense for my JR 8103. It is incredible. bill snow
Re: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
Hello Mike, I've decided to re-cover my 2M Organic with Hobby Lobby Poly Cover since they advertise it's the same as Oracover. I was wondering if the covering adhesive will stick to the composite frame. If not, what can be used to augment the adhesive and what is the process for using additional adhesive. Either SIG's Stix-IT or Coverites's BalsaRite work well, with my nod going to SIG's product as it's a little stronger. For this type of application I thin the Stix-It 1:1 with lacquer thinner. Most of the iron-on materials stick to themselves without any additional adhesive so it's only necessary to brush the thinned mixture on the composite areas you want the covering to stick too. Let the Stix-It dry for twenty or thirty minutes and start covering. Hope this helps, Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall. Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
I understand Artists' gesso ("Jess-oh") is functionally the same as Balsarite, at half the price, available in any arts and crafts store. It also is thermally activated.
[RCSE] For Sale -- McLean Extreme Vindicator, Encore, Windancer, and stuff
I am selling my collection of models: 1) NIB McLean Vindicator, Yellow panels/Red tips, flaps/ail/v-tail. Have the instructions, wingrods and accessory hardware that came with the model. I am asking $400 for the plane. Also have 4 HS-85mg and 2 HS-85bb servos (JR connectors) and 1 JR R700 receiver to go with it, all for another $200. 2) NIB McLean Extreme (2M, Carbon stabs), White panels/Blue tips. Comes with instructions, wingrods and acessory hardware. Asking $575. Also have 4 HS-85mg and 2 HS-85bb servos (JR) and 1 JR R700 reciver flight pack for another $200. 3) Encore DLG, 99% built, never flown, throwing peg not installed. Has gyro, batteries, instructions, throwing peg, JR micro receiver, JR 241 micros in the wing and fuse. Slight storage damage on the underside of wing, near where the 2 panels join. Asking $600 for all. 4) Windancer 2M ARF from Polecat, Poly wing with flaps. Flown less than 6 times. Slight storage damage to the elevator linkage (just need to re-glue/re-work the horn area). Have speed 400 motor w/ MPJet 4.4:1 inline gearbox, Jeti speed controller, JR micro receiver, HS-85mg servos. Asking $450. 5) Used JR 8103 Air, transmitter only with slow charger and batteries , in excellent condition for $200. 6) Schulze Chameleon isl6-330d charger w/ upgraded EPROM, excellent condition, asking $180. I prefer SoCal pickup or meet for the sale, so we don't risk damage to the models, especially the built up ones. So, all prices do not include shipping. Please email if interested. Thanks Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
I have tried different extra adhesives when recovering the sailplanes I sell of this construction type. I have found that that adding extra adhesive to not really be worth the effort. The only place I may use it is on the carbon of the end ribs. The covering gets pulled when untaping the tip panels. A layer of clear tape as a barrier will lessen the amount of pulling on the covering. The Polycover which is basically Oracover lite under a different name to have plenty of sticking power alone. The adhesive sticks very well to the carbon and carbon/Kevlar hybrid cloth D-Tube. Use any of these suggestions if you like but it is not necessary. Mark Miller Isthmus Models --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Artists' gesso (Jess-oh) is functionally the same as Balsarite, at half the price, available in any arts and crafts store. It also is thermally activated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RDS Modifications for Genie, DLG F3J/Supra type gliders
Hi, If your interested in internal type of surface controls for ailerons and flaps,, I have developed a modification to Harley Michaelis RDS couplers to use brass drive shafts for the Genie platform, the DLG and stainless steel for F3J/Supra platforms. Additionally, there is some ideas on my torque yoke based on Mark Drelas Supra installation. If your interested check out the RDS Modification link at bottom of Harleys page at http://genie.rchomepage.com Its in PDF format. Winston
[RCSE] RE: For Sale -- McLean Extreme Vindicator, Encore, Windancer, and stuff
The Vindicator is spoken for. Everything else still available. Thanks Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Orlando or Bust! See you guys at the Buzzards field tomorrow!
Hi Guys, I am hot footing it the 560 miles tonite from Raleigh to make the field tomorrow, come on out and fly with us! Right now I am just north of Savannah by about a 130 miles or so, hope to make Jackson before 1am. Got the new Giant 5 degree joiners to test, weather is looking really good. So hope to get a good day of flying in! Gordy Maurice's BBQ at the moment :)
[RCSE] PS, about Maurice's BBQ, he used to fly....
the Confederate Flag and was involved in the NC Courthouse flying it controversy...which got his most astounding BBQ sauces kicked out of Walmart, Food Lion and a bunch of other major chains. Now you all know how I find out cool stuff like polo field measurements :-) Actually I'm still thinking about the flights I had with Larry's Supra. A lot to think about for surewhile I drive, type, and lick the sauce off the steering wheel :) Gordy
[RCSE] f3b Europhia 2
couple of things on this plane I never seen on planes, they routed the antenna wire from the factory down the fuse and up and out the fin, just had to solder my RX in, nice! there's a rib next to each servo bay connecting top and bottom skins. stab sits high on fin, whatever they use for a bell crank it only takes a short servo horn to get long throws. mine are to long as seen in pics. details and pics; http://www.git-r-built.com/newsmgr/templates/grbNews.asp?articleid=34zoneid=1 now for the flying; I got in around 15 launch's with mine today, I LOVE IT!! one word, PRECISE! it's the most precise plane I've ever flown. these where first flights too. also response to camber better then any plane I've flown. I pulled a ton of camber, up elevator,and spun it on a wing tip, trying to tip stall it and couldn't. I can't believe how tight a thermal turn it will make, thought I needed big polyhedralto do this. :-) launch's, I've never seen a planezoom this high of my standard winch, I can't wait to get it on mono, it's going to be crazy. not a hint of flex anywhere on launch. asfar as speed, I never ballast it up, but diving and racing it around empty, it's faster then anything I've flown. this was all with the 7.5 joiner. looks like a hlg in the sky with those flat wings. also when I got racing around, felt like I was flying my 60'' composite Vindicator sloper, it response! Yeah, i like it, alot! (just thought i would share.) Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
Re: [RCSE] subscribing
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, d. o. darnell wrote: NE1... I just got a call from a new guy who wants to teach his 10-year old to build and fly. He mentioned an Oly II kit from Whytes wings. Is this kit or short kit still available? Also. to get him hooked up to RCSE, Please tell me just ONE more time: How does one subscribe to the DIGEST version of RCSE? Thanks D.O. Darmell No one answered this yet? Go to http://www.eclipse.net/~mikel/rcse/rcse.htm and about mid-way down the page is a link to the digestified version of RCSE. It says to send an email to soaring-request@airage.com with subscribe soaring digest as the first line in the message. Subject of the message is irrelevant. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ME 262 sloper
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Charles Eaton wrote: Obtained a 60, ME-262 slope kit. The kit has a fiberglass fuelage and foam core / balsa wings. The kit is complete but missing the plans / instructions. Anyone have said plans / instructions? Sure would like to have it flying for Soar Utah. I don't, but I know who would be able to help. Try the Inland Slope Rebel's forum at RCGroups (RCGroups - Clubs - Inland Slope Rebels. These guys are some of the best at building/flying that type of airplane and I'm sure would be able to offer a lot of assistance, if not some instructions. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] GP Siren 3 piece wing
Has anyone flown the Great Planes siren and left the wings 3 pieces? The joiners are pretty poorly engineered as it is, just curious if I can get away with leaving them unglued. Kristopher -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1288 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
