[RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. "Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver" Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Well put Jim, my sentiments exactly. At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, Jim Porter wrote: > Pat McCleave wrote: > Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the current system > as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for those pilots who do not choose or > do not have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete the list of tasks. Unfortunately ALL of this still misses the original intent of the contest requirement. The contest requirement was designed to bring flyers together to compare skills, to promote the transfer of skills and information and to INCREASE PARTICIPATION. If you have a core group of pilots, as few as two, who have even a minimal level of success, they can pass this success on to others. It's a synergistic thing that can rapidly grow to the point where it's possible to have regular LOCAL contests with at least ten guys on most any weekend. These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a chance to win. They are there because it's FUN. And, this does not require a $2,000 moldie and a $600+ computer radio - it can be done with a 'lowly' Gentle Lady, Spirit, Aspire or HOB 2 x 4. The REAL problem with all of this is that it takes a little effort by each individual to promote soaring, taking time away from each individuals flying time. Realizing that many are not willling to put forth this effort is one of many reasons we are suffering the lack of participation in soaring. > Perception plays a very big role in things. We really need to keep that in mind. Consider the answers to the following two questions. Why do you want to work through the levels of the LSF? What do you/we gain if there is a separate advancement scheme? regards, Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA "The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall." Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Erie PA - I'm going...You?
And if not...Shame on you! It'll be fun, so come on out! Should be a relaxed contest...Hell Reece doesn't run any other kind! It'll be Open Winch, with at least 2 winches running Sunday, Sept 17 in Erie PA - Open & RES classes Tasks will be TD with a Precision Landing (TBD) Registration at appx 9am Go to www.ts3.org for more info
[RCSE] FS: NIB X-21
New and untouched X-21, in UHM Carbon. 126" span, MH32 foil, two-piece wing, X-tail. Ultra-stiff construction and six (6) ballast tubes. Yellow top with red wing points and yellow/red striped bottoms. Reduced to $1,150 shipped to ConUS. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fwd: For sale JR radio XP6102, case, rececevers
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[RCSE] Aero Tow Sep 16- 17 Nor Cal. First ever All Electric Tugs
Hay all you Aero Towing guys out there :-) Don't forget this next Sunday 9/17 we will be having the first ever All Electric Tug Aero Towing event... For directions to our field see www.svss.org We will be having some practice tows on Saturday after 11am and then a full day of aero-towing on Sunday... Weather should be perfect for this event.. We will have tugs for any size glider, so don't miss your chance to participate in this history breaking event. Any questions please contact Craig Allen 916 519 7368 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Soaring V1 #8233
Ed, Is it OK to put your post on my Beginners web page web ? Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Ed Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: [RCSE] Soaring V1 #8233 > LSF and Contest Flying > > I can't speak about other leagues that run sailplane contests as I have only > flown in club contests and Eastern Soaring League events. However, the > Eastern Soaring League is taking some very proactive steps to bring in the > new flyers and show them the fun of contest flying. > > This year a novice class was added to sportsman and expert. Registration > has been free or a minimal fee with typically reduced requirements on the > time and/or landing precision needed to score points. This will be the farm > team where new flyers can learn about contest flying. If they want to work > toward their LSF levels, this will certainly qualify. > > We have started to see a growing interest in this novice class, but it does > not happen by itself. It takes one on one sponsorship from individuals > willing to take on a mentor like position to coax and support the new > contest guys. Competition is very very scary when you have never done it > before. The barrier can look very high, but with just a little help and > support, that wall gets real small real fast. Just an announcement of a > contest is not enough. > > The LISF 2 Eastern Soaring League contest will have 6 novice class pilots. > Four will be from the local soaring club. However even in the midst of an > active soaring club, this took promotion and encouragement on the part of > active members who have flown contests before. The focus of the discussions > has been more about the fun and friendships formed than about winning. You > need a friend to invite you to the game. > > These novice pilots are not all rookie flyers. Some have years on the > sticks, but have never even considered contest flying. Now that they have > registered and committed to flying a contest, they are excited and actively > working on tuning their planes and working on their skills. Whether they > place or not, they will be stronger pilots just due to the preparations they > have made. And they are helping each other prepare. Isn't that the whole > purpose of contest flying? > > None of these guys are flying the latest contest machines. But they needed > someone to reinforce that these ships were OK for contest flying. Two will > be flying 2M wood ships. One will be flying a 2M foamie and one a 100 inch > glass ship that he just purchased used, his first pure sailplane. > > I flew my first contest with a 2M RES plane. I was encouraged to do so. My > mentors emphasized that I didn't have to have a hot shot 3M plane to join > the party. With the help of friends, I flew the tasks and took whatever > scores, and I had so much fun. I received help and encouragement from > masters of the air who gave me positive reinforcement. I could not wait > till the next event. > > Based on my skills, more than my plane, I never really expected to win, so I > was never disappointed. Winning was to be a journey, or so it was explained > to me. You may never get there, but the trip can be so much fun! > > This is what has been shared with these new contest pilots. Discussion has > not been about the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat, but the fun of > the event, the great people you meet, the opportunity to become a better > pilot through the tremendous learning opportunity presented. > > If we want to get more people involved in soaring, if we want to encourage > them to advance their skills, we have to take it upon ourselves to reach out > to them, one on one, and talk up the fun, not the prize. The idea of a > contest scared the heck out of me. But I had strong supporters who > encouraged me, and helped me prepare. Now I would hate to miss it so much > that I plane to travel to some away contests next season. > > There may be value in a new organization but that is not the problem. What > we need are more mentors and sponsors and friends who are willing to help > the new guys across that small hump that looks like a great wall to them. > And then we have to encourage them to help the next guy over the wall. > > Best Regards, > Ed Anderson > Long Island Silent Flyers > > -- > > Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:52:00 -0500 > From: Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jim Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: soaring@airage.com > Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > > >These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an > >opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving > >the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is > >being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a > >chance to win.
[RCSE] New email address - Sheldon
Sorry about all the bounces from the yntdesign.com email address. They're still trying to figure out what the problem is. I've unsubscribed that address from RCSE, created a new mailbox with my ISP for my mail, and you may replace all other email addresses for me with the address below: nodlehs at rochester dot rr dot com (that would be sheldon, backwards )
[RCSE] Soaring V1 #8233
LSF and Contest Flying I can't speak about other leagues that run sailplane contests as I have only flown in club contests and Eastern Soaring League events. However, the Eastern Soaring League is taking some very proactive steps to bring in the new flyers and show them the fun of contest flying. This year a novice class was added to sportsman and expert. Registration has been free or a minimal fee with typically reduced requirements on the time and/or landing precision needed to score points. This will be the farm team where new flyers can learn about contest flying. If they want to work toward their LSF levels, this will certainly qualify. We have started to see a growing interest in this novice class, but it does not happen by itself. It takes one on one sponsorship from individuals willing to take on a mentor like position to coax and support the new contest guys. Competition is very very scary when you have never done it before. The barrier can look very high, but with just a little help and support, that wall gets real small real fast. Just an announcement of a contest is not enough. The LISF 2 Eastern Soaring League contest will have 6 novice class pilots. Four will be from the local soaring club. However even in the midst of an active soaring club, this took promotion and encouragement on the part of active members who have flown contests before. The focus of the discussions has been more about the fun and friendships formed than about winning. You need a friend to invite you to the game. These novice pilots are not all rookie flyers. Some have years on the sticks, but have never even considered contest flying. Now that they have registered and committed to flying a contest, they are excited and actively working on tuning their planes and working on their skills. Whether they place or not, they will be stronger pilots just due to the preparations they have made. And they are helping each other prepare. Isn't that the whole purpose of contest flying? None of these guys are flying the latest contest machines. But they needed someone to reinforce that these ships were OK for contest flying. Two will be flying 2M wood ships. One will be flying a 2M foamie and one a 100 inch glass ship that he just purchased used, his first pure sailplane. I flew my first contest with a 2M RES plane. I was encouraged to do so. My mentors emphasized that I didn't have to have a hot shot 3M plane to join the party. With the help of friends, I flew the tasks and took whatever scores, and I had so much fun. I received help and encouragement from masters of the air who gave me positive reinforcement. I could not wait till the next event. Based on my skills, more than my plane, I never really expected to win, so I was never disappointed. Winning was to be a journey, or so it was explained to me. You may never get there, but the trip can be so much fun! This is what has been shared with these new contest pilots. Discussion has not been about the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat, but the fun of the event, the great people you meet, the opportunity to become a better pilot through the tremendous learning opportunity presented. If we want to get more people involved in soaring, if we want to encourage them to advance their skills, we have to take it upon ourselves to reach out to them, one on one, and talk up the fun, not the prize. The idea of a contest scared the heck out of me. But I had strong supporters who encouraged me, and helped me prepare. Now I would hate to miss it so much that I plane to travel to some away contests next season. There may be value in a new organization but that is not the problem. What we need are more mentors and sponsors and friends who are willing to help the new guys across that small hump that looks like a great wall to them. And then we have to encourage them to help the next guy over the wall. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers -- Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:52:00 -0500 From: Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an >opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving >the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is >being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a >chance to win. They are there because it's FUN. And, this does not require >a $2,000 moldie and a $600+ computer radio - it can be done with a 'lowly' >Gentle Lady, Spirit, Aspire or HOB 2 x 4. I think that's what is wrong with so many current contests with the emphasis on win, win, win and not enough emphasis on fun. Why not back off a little and put some fun back. Fly events that don't require a moldie. Maybe a round of three-for-fif
