[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10783
Way too light. We typically use 220# test on winches, and we have used heavier at the Nats. 150# test is common for retievers. I typically put two spools of 220# on a drum. Jim Thomas Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Perret To: soaring@airage.com Subject: winch line Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouid 120 ib test dacron work well for winch line? What was the heavy line used at Mid South last year, and where can I get some? What is a normal amount of line to have on a winch? Thanks for the help Paul Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- End of Soaring V1 #10783 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] paging Keith Finkenbiner
Keith, Please contact me offline Thanks, Andy
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10781
Hi BB,
This post may help you follow down the page..:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595288page=7highlight=supra+flap
Regards...
On Feb 11, 2008 9:23 AM, Soaring Soaring@airage.com wrote:
SoaringMon, 11 Feb 2008Volume 1 : Number 10781
In this issue:
3.45 Graphite, 2.4ghz AR900 receiver lots of Anxiety.
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:42:41 -0600
From: B B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: RC RCSE soaring@airage.com
Subject: 3.45 Graphite, 2.4ghz AR900 receiver lots of Anxiety.
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I am new at this as many of you and purchased the 2.4 module along with the=
AR9000 receiver to be used in the JR 9303 TX. I also purchased an additio=
nal remote antenna and a Flight log. I know that my application is not the=
norm and there have been a lot of problems associated with trying to get t=
he 2.4 system to properly operate in a carbon-kevlar fuse.
=20
I am flying an open class graphite 3.45 sailplane using the AR 9000 with 2 =
sattlelite antennas connected to the receiver. The fuse is carbon-kevlar. =
I have one antenna positioned just behind the nosecone just aft of the lea=
ding edge of the wing mounted on the floor of the fuse with the antenna wis=
kers sticking out each side of the fuse. The other has one of the two wisk=
ers sticking straight above the top of the wing up located in the center of=
the wing just behind the spar. =20
If all this makes since, my question is:
=20
In an sailplane application where the plane can fly as far as a mile away, =
has anyone checked and come close to what Specktrum is saying below? I am =
not getting any holds but have been getting a lot more fades like 400 to 60=
0 for each remote antenna during a 10 to 15 minute flight and my frame loss=
is more like 300 to 400. Both antennas A B which are internally mounted =
in the AR 9000 receiver are null because of the carbon kevlar fuse. So when=
flying, I relay completely on the external sattlelite antennas.
=20
The plane seems to fly fine but I have concerns. I can do the 30 pace rang=
e check and still not be totally glitch free even with all the radio gear t=
aped to a board. However I do not get more than 1 or 2 frame losses during =
the range check when installed in the plane but get 25 to 45 fades on each =
external of the antennas. I am tilting the plane in every direction and I =
am sure that my hands may be getting in the way and that could be part of t=
he cause.
Am I playing with disaster or considering the application am I exceeding th=
e safe threshold? I have had 5 successful flights or about 30 minutes of a=
ir time during which I have been tweaking my setup. With no holds.
=20
Using the =93Spektrum Flight Log=94, the web site Specktrum says:
=20
Antenna fades =96 represent the loss of a bit of information on that specif=
ic antenna. Typically it=92s normal to have as many as 50 =96 100 antenna f=
ades on any one of the antennas during a flight. If any single antenna expe=
riences over 500 fades in a single flight, the antenna should be reposition=
ed in the aircraft to optimize the RF link.=20
Frame Loss =96 represents simultaneous antenna fades on all attached receiv=
ers. If the RF link is performing optimally, frame losses per flight should=
be less than 20.=20
Hold =96 a hold occurs when 45 contiguous (one right after the other) frame=
losses occur. This takes about one second. If a hold occurs during flight,=
it=92s important to re-evaluate the system, moving the antennas to differe=
nt locations and/or checking to be sure the transmitter and receivers are w=
orking correctly.=20
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Can anyone chime in with sound advice or direct me to any links that may he=
lp ease my anxiety?
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Thanks,
BradOccasionally/often frustrated;...never defeated...
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AR9000 receiver to be used in the JR 9303 TX.nbsp; I also purchased an ad=
ditional remote antenna and a Flight log.nbsp; I know that my application =
is not the norm and there have been a lot of problems associated with tryin=
g to get the 2.4 system to properly operate in a carbon-kevlar fuse.BR
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I am
Re: [RCSE] Supra Flap Link Insert Changed
I used .03 CF rods to pin the top and bottom skins around the bump together. Seems to work well. Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: / Today was the last day for top actuated flaps. Lots of glue, fiberglass tape and words did not fix the problem so tonight they will be converted to bottom horns and linkage. After two years of landing with the flaps down, the mounts seem to unrepairable. If I had DP's thumbs, I could get the flaps up before they hit the ground./ The Supra has come a long way baby :-) With the help of all of us. Wing bolt mount pod changes, longer bolts, wing sub rib changes, layup changes, and both the aileron link insert and now flap inserts too...and lets not forget that now the ailerons go all the way to the tips...they are lighter now and stiffer too on the current batch of wings coming to Barry's den of storage. A short while back, well maybe a year or so, it was pretty clear that the area where the aileron inserts were mounted and how they were mounted needed to be changed for linkage geometry and durability, you can tell the new version because the hump is a bit taller. Those of you who hit the landing spot too hard like me, find pretty soon a bubble in the skin around the flap inserts on top. And the flaps not moving together and a lot of slop too. You glue it and glue it but in the end like Don the answer is to put carbon horns in the bottom The new wing has a far more durable link insert for both the ailerons and flaps. Mine? I think I have one more gluing left before I switch over to bottom horns :-) Gordy // RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] winch line
Wouid 120 ib test dacron work well for winch line? What was the heavy line used at Mid South last year, and where can I get some? What is a normal amount of line to have on a winch? Thanks for the help Paul Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paging Darwin Barrie, please ping me back
Darwin, can you ping me back... need to get in touch with you. Thanks Edgar Vera The Soaring Junkie Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10783
Jim, the question Paul asked about dacron line. I would say no, as it has no stretch as compared to nylon and braided vs twisted, braided is also more durable therefore prefered. Comments ? Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Way too light. We typically use 220# test on winches, and we have used heavier at the Nats. 150# test is common for retievers. I typically put two spools of 220# on a drum. Jim Thomas Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Perret To: soaring@airage.com Subject: winch line Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouid 120 ib test dacron work well for winch line? What was the heavy line used at Mid South last year, and where can I get some? What is a normal amount of line to have on a winch? Thanks for the help Paul Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- End of Soaring V1 #10783 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format ---BeginMessage--- Way too light. We typically use 220# test on winches, and we have used heavier at the Nats. 150# test is common for retievers. I typically put two spools of 220# on a drum. Jim Thomas Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Perret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Subject: winch line Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouid 120 ib test dacron work well for winch line? What was the heavy line used at Mid South last year, and where can I get some? What is a normal amount of line to have on a winch? Thanks for the help Paul Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- End of Soaring V1 #10783 ** ** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format ---End Message---
[RCSE] (from Tord) Re: Fun at the cane field
Hi Paul, Both me and the wife loved your text! Haven't yet got any 2.4 GHz stuff (I'll just swap the transmitting part in my trannies and get suitable rx's), but is eagerly awaiting! Those small birds, that seem black late afternoon, and appear in huge clouds close to sunset, are starlings, most likely, looking for somewhere to settle for the night! A cane field, a stand of reeds, stands of thick bushes, in short, anything free of predators and very dense, is their favourite sleeping quarters (In Britain they tend to move into the southern cities in wintertime - Bath is said to have the majority of Northern Europe's starlings disrupting the citizens' sleep a few months each winter! Therefore electrified roofs, windows sills, et cetera, everywhere in that old, Roman, city! A few decades back me and a friend went birdwatching on a small island close to home, just a short ferry trip from the mainland. Our goal was a football pitch-sized bog surrounded by high cliffs, very close to civilisation, and yet very remote. This is essentially unchartered ground, as no paths, nor roads, lead into the area, mainly due to the fact that this used to be banned ground for civilians - as the island used to be a military garrison, and at that time stilled banned for foreign nationals. Sadly we didn't see much of anything till close to sunset. On our latitudes, appoximately the same as Churchill, but actually Gothenburg, Sweden, it takes a while to get dark in the evenings, of course. We arrived in the afternoon, hand a nice dinner and waited. In addition to the coastal birds, like gulls and plovers, we saw some song birds, and other small birds, but nothing really exciting. An Euroasian Kestrel (similar to the American Kestrel) worried the smaller birds as he passed, but otherwise things were very calm. A cloud of starlings suddenly appeared and after a lot of false tries settled in a small stand of reeds. Then more starlings arrived in smaller groups, coming from all directions. Evidently these came from neighbouring islands, as this to man fairly unknown bird haven isn't normally frequented by people, cats or dogs. As each subgroup landed the was a bit of commotion, but after a while things settled down - the stand of reeds maybe containing a few thousands starlings, no more than that! Then suddenly, as the sun started to settle, on silent wings, a Short-eared Owl arrived on the scene. Seemed to have its nest in the bog quite close to us, but light was failing fast, so we wasn't too sure if we saw a nest, or not. A rare treat to us city-dwellers, to see this magnificent bird this close - sadly far to dark to take any pictures! Just as the last rays of light hit the cliffs the kestrel reappeared, and he/she didn't like what he saw - an intruder! So suddenly there was a hell of a fight between owl and kestrel, the two eventually crashing into the stand of reeds, and naturally all the starlings took off at once! For a little while the sky was black with panicing starlings, but soon the kestrel gave up - not a very good night flyer, in sharp contrast with the owl, he/she headed home, and the owl returned to its camping ground, to await morning and breakfast, in the form of rodents, or other unwary animals. As day broke, we packed our gear; binoculars, monoculars, MSR stove, et cetera, and took the first morning ferry home, at around 6:00 am. Tord -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com!
[RCSE] 3.45 Graphite, 2.4ghz AR900 receiver lots of Anxiety.
I am new at this as many of you and purchased the 2.4 module along with the AR9000 receiver to be used in the JR 9303 TX. I also purchased an additional remote antenna and a Flight log. I know that my application is not the norm and there have been a lot of problems associated with trying to get the 2.4 system to properly operate in a carbon-kevlar fuse. I am flying an open class graphite 3.45 sailplane using the AR 9000 with 2 sattlelite antennas connected to the receiver. The fuse is carbon-kevlar. I have one antenna positioned just behind the nosecone just aft of the leading edge of the wing mounted on the floor of the fuse with the antenna wiskers sticking out each side of the fuse. The other has one of the two wiskers sticking straight above the top of the wing up located in the center of the wing just behind the spar. If all this makes since, my question is: In an sailplane application where the plane can fly as far as a mile away, has anyone checked and come close to what Specktrum is saying below? I am not getting any holds but have been getting a lot more fades like 400 to 600 for each remote antenna during a 10 to 15 minute flight and my frame loss is more like 300 to 400. Both antennas A B which are internally mounted in the AR 9000 receiver are null because of the carbon kevlar fuse. So when flying, I relay completely on the external sattlelite antennas. The plane seems to fly fine but I have concerns. I can do the 30 pace range check and still not be totally glitch free even with all the radio gear taped to a board. However I do not get more than 1 or 2 frame losses during the range check when installed in the plane but get 25 to 45 fades on each external of the antennas. I am tilting the plane in every direction and I am sure that my hands may be getting in the way and that could be part of the cause. Am I playing with disaster or considering the application am I exceeding the safe threshold? I have had 5 successful flights or about 30 minutes of air time during which I have been tweaking my setup. With no holds. Using the “Spektrum Flight Log”, the web site Specktrum says: Antenna fades – represent the loss of a bit of information on that specific antenna. Typically it’s normal to have as many as 50 – 100 antenna fades on any one of the antennas during a flight. If any single antenna experiences over 500 fades in a single flight, the antenna should be repositioned in the aircraft to optimize the RF link. Frame Loss – represents simultaneous antenna fades on all attached receivers. If the RF link is performing optimally, frame losses per flight should be less than 20. Hold – a hold occurs when 45 contiguous (one right after the other) frame losses occur. This takes about one second. If a hold occurs during flight, it’s important to re-evaluate the system, moving the antennas to different locations and/or checking to be sure the transmitter and receivers are working correctly. Can anyone chime in with sound advice or direct me to any links that may help ease my anxiety? Thanks, BradOccasionally/often frustrated;...never defeated... _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
