RE: [RCSE] Removing old covering
Craig; You haven't specified what type of covering it is. If it is Monokote I've been through this procedure many times before. 1) I start off by stripping off as much of the covering by hand. 2) Using a #11 exacto I pick as much as I can being careful not to gouge the wood underneath. 3) Any stubborn areas I simply sand off with 100 grit dry. Kurt From: Craig Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:02 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Removing old covering I have some 40 year old covering to remove. Any suggestions on how? Craig
RE: [RCSE] Removing old covering, more info
Dope based?? could be silk-span.Find yourself a container of dope thinners to start. You will find that any dope-based finish be it silk-span, tissue or silk can be stripped quite easily. The previous post works for the most part. You should be able to soften any stubborn areas with the dope thinners. Good luck Kurt From: Craig Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Removing old covering, more info It's hard to tell what type of covering it is... It's over 40 years old so it can't be any type of iron on, Its not silk, but does apear to be dope based Craig
RE: [RCSE] Removing ols covering
What is the model anyway? The only kit that I knew had bamboo was something like an Antic. Kurt From: Craig Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:27 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Removing ols covering I think Kurt Z. figired it out It's silkspan and its painted with Hobby-Poxy. That's why lacquer thinner removes a little of the paint but does nothing to soften it. Although it does come off the bamboo rather nicely So I guess I'm going to have to use the two 20 year old cuties as Brian Chan suggested :-))) Actually I have a friend who has some 6' long 8 wide sanding belts. I'm going to glue them to my work table and make one big ass sanding block...
RE: [RCSE] DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE SOARING MASTERS....Early!
Is that a prediction of Gordy's final standing? Kurt
RE: [RCSE] It's official now
Ta Da! Congratulations Johnny! Kurt -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:49 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] It's official now I have just finished scrutinizing Johnny Berlin's LSF Level V voucher and it gives me great pleasure to announce that Johnny is officially the LSF's 124th Level V. A hearty, Well done, sir. to Johnny on behalf of the officers and members of the League of Silent Flight. Jim Deck LSF Secretary RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Brett Farve and Mike Popescu?....Say it ain't so Joe!
If I read this correctly Mike has only decided to hang up his thumbs for this year. I would assume that doesn't mean he is gone forever. Knowing that Mike now lives in Fla it would get rather hot during the late summer months and would make it very uncomfortable to fly during this time of year. FYI, my Grand Esteem still flies! Has been a member of my quiver for over 10 years! Kurt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:44 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Brett Farve and Mike Popescu?Say it ain't so Joe! I am retiring from flying this year and so my planes are becoming available Mike ( the old Esteem and Pelican designer ) By the way the Super Pelican made this guy Bordy to change diapers every round at the last contest in Orlando past spring. Sorry to hear that yet another great has decided to hang up his thumbs! For those of you who don't know Mike Popescu, his Grand Esteem and Pelican mark a turning point in our sailplane design and construction. A great contributor, a great guy and a top competitor...Mike was my personal mentor, and has been a best soaring friend since 1997 or so. We competed, broke bread, traveled and even slept together over the years (okay not together but in the same house and motels :-). The planes he just sold were extended span versions of his originals and really did fly as well as molded ships they were competing against in the last couple of years...of course they were under the talented and skilled thumbs of Thermal Wizard Extrodinaire...Mike Popescu! Below is a link to the article I did on Mike and his designs back in 1997. Take a read, you might just learn some history :-). Gordy Penn National Race Track in the morning, heading toward Virginia Beach. RCSD Dec 97 Stahl, Gordy Pelican design is evaluated and compared with Grand Esteem. http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/pdfs/RCSD-1997/RCSD-1997-07.pdf Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520 .
RE: [RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie?
From what I see Eastern Daylight Time Kurt -Original Message- From: Tom Nagel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie? Gents: I gotta drive over to Muncie on Saturday morning. What time zone is Muncie using this year? Eastern Standard Daylight Savings, or Central Daylight Savings or Local Option Crapshoot Indiana Time Zone Roulette Time? I gotta adjust my sundial before leaving home! Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What I did on the 5th of July.....
Well I listened to the weather report Friday evening and heard something like this... thunder showers for Saturday for most of the day chance of rain 80%...) Well I knew it was time to get the planes ready for a great day of flying... Sure enough Saturday morning rolls around, although cloudy, no rain in site... just as the weather man predicted. I load up the Condor-diction, Lovesong Aquila. Batteries are charged and I'm ready to go. I head out at 8:00 am sharp to pick up my daughter Jessica. 9:15 am I have Jess in the car breakfast and coffee and I head to the field. I see patches of blue sky, a but humid but no rain. First plane that gets assembled is my Condor-diction. This time I had done my homework and had checked and double checked everything. The only issue I had to deal with is finding the correct CG. I knew I was too far back the last time it went out (1 yr ago which caused the fuse to snap in half). This year I added about 2 oz of lead in the nose. I range check the plane, mark the location of the CG and I'm ready to hand toss. After about 2 tosses I had corrected the elevator bringing it to its new location. Two more hand tosses and I was more than 1/2 way across the field (no exaggeration). The flying field is probably close to 2000’ long or more. I was ready to put the Condor-diction on my heavy-duty hi-start. Up it goes first trim flight required dialing in the elevator but all else looks good. Second trim flight I checked the CG with the dive test and inverted flight. Only thing that needed final adjusting was elevator compensation w/ flaps. I know I'm close with the CG. Now time to see what this ship can do. I wanted to see what kind of speed I can get out of the MH32... so I pushed the nose over... WOW!!! this sucker really moves out.. .but yet... I can slow it up while in a thermal I think to myself KEWL!!! This is REALLY FLYING NICE!!! Keep in mind I wasn't interested in times at this point, just handling By about the 4 flight I can see this plane handles quite nicely... Next up is the 30 year old Aquila... Wanted to give Jessica some stick time. After routine range test and hand tosses I'm ready to launch. I flew the first flight out just to make sure all was ok. Up we go again and I hand the controls over to Jessica Like a duck takes to water Jessica is working some light lift first flight 4 min 40 sec... not bad considering not much going on with lift today. After about 3 flights seeing the air is quite buoyant, I decided to get the 'ole Lovesong a try. I check and recheck the CG making sure it is somewhere close to the joiner rod. I check and recheck all throws and then finally the range check. All checks out ok... Now for the first hand toss... Nothing to write home about ... just kind of mushes into the grown... humm I say... more umph in that toss... Next toss I give it a good push and off it goes... some elevator trim and toss again. This one was MUCH better... I got several hundred feet out of the launch... My intention today was just to make sure the Lovesong is ready to go... but I said to myself... I'm going to put it up on the hi-start... Living by an old adage from a near and dear friend of mine.. Edward Ajamian... it either flies or dies... I add a bunch more paces on the hi-start.. now pulling at least 25 or more lbs... I hook the Lovesong to it ... last minute wiggle of the sticks... then I release... The Lovesong heads for the heavens like a homesick angle... It is steady as a rock... I get a few hundred feet on the first launch. Ahhh yes.. the Lovesong.. wow what a nice flying plane!!! Next thing I realize is I'm hooked into a light thermal and going up.. and up.. and up... I horse around with it just to become acquainted with the Lovesong.. I land only to find I had clocked 5 minutes... without trying!!! Back to the Aquila.. Jessica gets a few more flights and does ok... I'm still going through basics with Jessica but it is amazing how quickly she picks things up. I ended the day with 2 more flights on the Lovesong... Each flight about 7-10 min. By this time I was getting overly hot... the sun was out and humidity was way up. By about 2:30 pm I'm ready to call it quits. After packing up.. and driving out.. I'm leaving the field in triumph.. and a lesson learned... don't trust those weather-men... It was a great day... sorry for those who listened to the weather-men and stayed home. That's all for now Kurt W. Zimmerman Kurt W. Zimmerman My Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kurtwzimmerman RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What I did on the 5th of July.....
Well I listened to the weather report Friday evening and heard something like this... thunder showers for Saturday for most of the day chance of rain 80%...) Well I knew it was time to get the planes ready for a great day of flying... Sure enough Saturday morning rolls around, although cloudy, no rain in site... just as the weather man predicted. I load up the Condor-diction, Lovesong Aquila. Batteries are charged and I'm ready to go. I head out at 8:00 am sharp to pick up my daughter Jessica. 9:15 am I have Jess in the car breakfast and coffee and I head to the field. I see patches of blue sky, a but humid but no rain. First plane that gets assembled is my Condor-diction. This time I had done my homework and had checked and double checked everything. The only issue I had to deal with is finding the correct CG. I knew I was too far back the last time it went out (1 yr ago which caused the fuse to snap in half). This year I added about 2 oz of lead in the nose. I range check the plane, mark the location of the CG and I'm ready to hand toss. After about 2 tosses I had corrected the elevator bringing it to its new location. Two more hand tosses and I was more than 1/2 way across the field (no exaggeration). The flying field is probably close to 2000' long or more. I was ready to put the Condor-diction on my heavy-duty hi-start. Up it goes first trim flight required dialing in the elevator but all else looks good. Second trim flight I checked the CG with the dive test and inverted flight. Only thing that needed final adjusting was elevator compensation w/ flaps. I know I'm close with the CG. Now time to see what this ship can do. I wanted to see what kind of speed I can get out of the MH32... so I pushed the nose over... WOW!!! this sucker really moves out.. .but yet... I can slow it up while in a thermal I think to myself KEWL!!! This is REALLY FLYING NICE!!! Keep in mind I wasn't interested in times at this point, just handling By about the 4 flight I can see this plane handles quite nicely... Next up is the 30 year old Aquila... Wanted to give Jessica some stick time. After routine range test and hand tosses I'm ready to launch. I flew the first flight out just to make sure all was ok. Up we go again and I hand the controls over to Jessica Like a duck takes to water Jessica is working some light lift first flight 4 min 40 sec... not bad considering not much going on with lift today. After about 3 flights seeing the air is quite buoyant, I decided to get the 'ole Lovesong a try. I check and recheck the CG making sure it is somewhere close to the joiner rod. I check and recheck all throws and then finally the range check. All checks out ok... Now for the first hand toss... Nothing to write home about ... just kind of mushes into the grown... humm I say... more umph in that toss... Next toss I give it a good push and off it goes... some elevator trim and toss again. This one was MUCH better... I got several hundred feet out of the launch... My intention today was just to make sure the Lovesong is ready to go... but I said to myself... I'm going to put it up on the hi-start... Living by an old adage from a near and dear friend of mine.. Edward Ajamian... it either flies or dies... I add a bunch more paces on the hi-start.. now pulling at least 25 or more lbs... I hook the Lovesong to it ... last minute wiggle of the sticks... then I release... The Lovesong heads for the heavens like a homesick angle... It is steady as a rock... I get a few hundred feet on the first launch. Ahhh yes.. the Lovesong.. wow what a nice flying plane!!! Next thing I realize is I'm hooked into a light thermal and going up.. and up.. and up... I horse around with it just to become acquainted with the Lovesong.. I land only to find I had clocked 5 minutes... without trying!!! Back to the Aquila.. Jessica gets a few more flights and does ok... I'm still going through basics with Jessica but it is amazing how quickly she picks things up. I ended the day with 2 more flights on the Lovesong... Each flight about 7-10 min. By this time I was getting overly hot... the sun was out and humidity was way up. By about 2:30 pm I'm ready to call it quits. After packing up.. and driving out.. I'm leaving the field in triumph.. and a lesson learned... don't trust those weather-men... It was a great day... sorry for those who listened to the weather-men and stayed home. That's all for now Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc http://www.regionalhelpwanted.com,inc/ . - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com http://www.bestcompaniesny.com/ . - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com http://www.cupid.com/
RE: [RCSE] I'm okay
I heard the news of that horrific event this morning on the local National Public Radio station. It is truly amazing to see how close to home this event comes when someone like Darwin reports in. Such a sad event. Glad to hear you are ok. Kurt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:18 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] I'm okay I've gotten several private emails from concerned people regarding the mid air collision of two medical helicopters in Flagstaff AZ where at least 7 people were killed. I am alive and well but a little numb right now. Many know that I fly medical helicopters for AirEvac a division of PHI, Inc. I'm based out of Yuma AZ and have the night shift this week. I'm on duty now. Our company had a fatal accident 3 weeks ago in TX and one of our AZ aircraft crashed on Friday night injuring the 3 crew members as they were landing at an accident scene. The tragedy today was witnessed by some of our employees who were at the Flagstaff hospital visiting our employees injured Friday. I am thankful for the many friends I have in the soaring community and the many emails I've received checking on my welfare. Thank you. For those so inclined please put these people on your prayer list. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 60 F3J contest at Dayton Sunday
SO what is the airplane of choice? Kurt -Original Message- From: Tom Copp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 5/28/2008 7:00 PM To: 'Ed Franz'; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] 60 F3J contest at Dayton Sunday Sounds like fun Ed! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Ed Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:49 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] 60 F3J contest at Dayton Sunday Hello all, This Sunday I am holding a 60 F3J contest at Dayton Ohio. All flights will be off of mini Hi-Starts, so it's time to bring out that old javelin H/L to fly again! The contest will be in an F3J rules type MoM format. So dust off that old H/L, put a hook on it and come join the fun. The contest will start around 11, I will be there around 9 so that you can trim out your plane on the Hi-Starts. Ed Franz
RE: [RCSE] Painting moulded fiberglass fuse
I agree with 99.994% of what Larry suggests. I've had some issues removing the release agent of the fiberglass and have had to resort to sanding it down with a 240 grit dry then use a solvent.Beyond that you have great advice here. Thanks Larry. Kurt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Painting moulded fiberglass fuse Rich, It sounds not like paint but instead surface prep, that is causing the beading. Fiberglass fuselages especially those not painted in the mold will have some sort of release agent used in the molding process to get the part out and not damage the mold. Prior to doing any work on a new Fiberglass fuselage the part must be washed with detergent and water, and then wiped with a rag that has a mild solvent on it. Use gloves especially if you might have kids in the future. Now get one of those flexible sanding pads and scuff the surface of the fuselage. Medium and Fine grades should do the trick. Make sure and pay particular attention where you might tape the wings or canopy. You are done when the shine is gone on the fuselage. If you see small imperfections this is a good time to use a polyester putty like Evercoat to fill and fair them. Now wipe the fuselage with Solvent again, and mask off any areas that need to be protected. If an excellent finish is required use a polyester spray primer, needs touchup gun and compressor, wetsand with 240 and then hit with auto paint, poly urethane finishes or epoxy are tougher and heavier. If you have none of the above use a spray can Primer misted on in several coats. Resist the urge to spray it in one coat. Spray outside where you can see the work and not breathe the fumes. Preferably the next day wet sand the fuselage with 320 wet and dry to take the fuzz off. Suspend the fuselage long ways horizontal nose to tail and mist on a color coat. Start the spray before the fuselage and release the nozzle when you are off the end of the fuselage, this gives even coats with no runs. 2-3 light coats will prove superior to one coat blasted on. Good luck Larry _ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301 twists on family favorites at AOL Food. !DSPAM:481b6b39272271610660748! __ NOD32 3071 (20080502) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [RCSE] YOU can break Carbon rod for stab axles
Unfortunate vertical arrival . AKA DORK? Rick you certainly have a way with words. Kurt From: Rick Eckel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] YOU can break Carbon rod for stab axles Its not so much how hard it is to break the rod when its in good condition. It's plenty strong. Its knowing when the strength has been compromised with cracking after a few dork landings or an unfortunate vertical arrival. They become very easy to break once they have a crack starting to develop. Each pilot is going to have to decide the issue for himself. For me, if they're not at least 1/4 in diameter I'd rather use steel. The nose weight is not a consideration. I won't use a center wing rod of carbon in any case. Rick
Re: [RCSE] Seriously offended - A common occurrence
Just think of the international mess we would be in if he were a politician? B. Chan wrote: That's why he was sent to other countries, but the problem was he always find a way to get back into this one! At 6:35 PM + 2/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck what do you think I felt like when Gordy called my shiny new red X-Pro a pig in a poke. I was outraged. I was so offended I wanted to sue somebody for viloating my civil rights. How could anyone speak there mind like that in a county that allows such behavior. The only thing I could do to aleviate my stress was to hit the delete key. The constitution does not grant the right not to be offended. -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Seriously offended
As LJ said... can't be thin-skinned on the RCSE, especially when Gordy is lurking about... You have no idea how many PMs I get from him when I offer my 2 cents worth! There's always the DELETE key! Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ira, Welcome to RCSE! Gordy Offends Everyone it's his job! Although I have to admit he gets to grow on you when you figure him out. LJ Oooh.. Now you can expect a private email from the G-dude himself correcting you of your ways. :) - Original Message - From: Ira Faberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring Soaring@airage.com, gordysoar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:48:13 -0700 Subject: [RCSE] Seriously offended Gordy- You said Come on you guys, get involved and share! and when I took your invitation to share, you call my carefully thought out work silly and wacky and claim it has nothing to do with reality? Your behavior is offensive to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598 !DSPAM:47c6e87d70271759516234! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RC Hall of Fame - Antique radio collection
Great collection! Yes I started in the early 70's with a World Engines M.A.N 123 radio... silver case. I think I still have it. I think it was being offered as a kit. Didn't see it in Ed's collection... Great site... Thanks for sharing. Steve Gibson wrote: If you want to take a great trip back in time for RC radios, go to www.rchalloffame.org http://www.rchalloffame.org Ed Crotty, out of Ohio, has put together a collection of over a 1300 radios. ( that is right, one thousand three hundred radios !) The site has pictures of almost every manufacturers radios made in the USA since the 1950's. I have spent at least a couple of hours looking over this vast collection. He also has documentary style comments on several radios and important people in the RC radio industry. If you started flying RC in the late 60's or early 70's, the site is a real trip down memory lane ! Steve Gibson !DSPAM:47b3b8ab557631759516234! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icon2 Pics
If one were in the market to purchase an Icon 2 where would one have to go? Thanks. SCJohnson wrote: A few photos of the new Icon 2 have been posted here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815293 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:47ac705b205121831345225! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tree Stories
What I have enjoyed about these Tree Stories is the fact that they are REAL... There is no element of competition involved. The best thing is that they are GREAT conversation... they are out of the norm and they all bring a smile to each one's face. Don't get me wrong, competition is a lot of fun. Tree stories are GREAT CONVERSATION! Thanks for sharing those great stories Let me dig into my graying archive to see if there is something else to share. -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tree story - straight down with a twist
Hummm reminds me of another Eastern Soaring League event I was attending in Maynard, Mass at the CRRC site, I'm guessing back in the late 90's... Had my new Inventec Pelican (thank you Mike P.). I was having a great day weekend I love that plane... I was very comfortable with it... well, day 2 of the event. Conditions were not all that great.. the wind had picked up.. some guys were getting times but most were not. It is the second to last round.. I get a suburb launch... I head upwind towards a tree line... 80'-90' Blue Spruce trees I'm guessing.. I catch a thermal... Thinking to myself.. I nail this one I'm bringing home wood for sure... On the far side of the thermal headed back into the wind the Pelican pitches over and starts a very rapid decent at about a 45 degree angle... I wasn't sure what was going on other than the fact that I had no elevator. Well in short order the Pelican plunges through the Spruce trees making that sicking crunch sound as the plane penetrates the trees. Well off I went... out to find the plane... I searched and searched... I kept coming back with parts from other guys planes but no Pelican. Turned out I was on the wrong side of the tree line. I went to the other side of the tree line and spotted the Pelican right away It was hanging by it's tail, no wings! I had sheered them off when the plane went through the tree and came to rest out on the outer branches of the tree. I climbed the tree, which was quite easy to do... I managed to get the plane down... after about 2 hrs of searching and retrieving. Meanwhile back at the contest... I had missed the last round of the event and the handing out of the wood... to which I got 3rd place... and I was 60' up in a spruce tree and missed everything going on. Well a new set of wings and the Pelican flew later that year. Ah... the stories... Isn't this hobby great? -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com. - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
I have to add my 2 cents worth here Next time Gordy shows up to a contest make sure he flies a 2x4 At least he will not have to worry about line length, hand-launch, line strength or pop-offs... I'll go back to work now [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear. Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests. Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with. I'm begining to warm up to the idea. Regards, Dave Corven. !DSPAM:477e8dbf66251515390450! Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:23:50 + To: Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150 SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line /will /get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as
Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
I got the perfect solution It appears that there will be a bunch of out-of-work professional baseball players who have bulked up on steroids.. They would be the ideal candidates to provide F3J hand tows... As of right now I don't know of any drug restrictions allowing the average hand-tower to become super-human. Then, just maybe, we can fly that 200 F3J What a concept! Happy Holidays all.. Kurt I just had to say that!!! David Klein wrote: You guys really aren't looking at the international trends that are driving the size wars. These planes are designed as the ultimate F3J plane. In F3J, the launch power is as much as you can use, figuring you higher some offensive lineman to tow. If F3J were to switch to using F3b winches, the launch power is regulated. F3b has evolved to smaller planes, that launch higher in a no wind, or downwind launch situation. If F3J planes were to go to a regulated launching system, the planes would get smaller, in order to launch higher faster in weak launch conditions. So the planes will continue to grow as long as there are large towers with a lot of power to launch them. Bigger planes are more efficient, so If you can launch them, you are at an advantage. Planes will grow unless we regulate launching power. BTW We don't have a winch power problem we have a winch line problem. We use crappy/heavy braided line rather than high performance Mono filament spectra. The mono is temperamental, so I don't recommend switching out club winch lines, but just understand the problem. If F3J switches to F3b style regulated winches, the planes will come back down in size, or at least stop growing. On Dec 20, 2007 9:32 AM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant == I wonder about this too. The Pike Perfect is the current WC plane and the current Nats champ, at a bit over 140, and has apparently set a new benchmark that eclipses the 132 planes, which in turn pushed out the 3-meter (118) planes. It's all too easy to break the line with a PP, and line breaks will presumably be even more likely with 150 planes that have larger wing areas and can generate more pull. The 2-man tow setup puts a practical limit on F3J, but apparently that limit is not fully compatible with the standard U.S. winch setup; that is, it seems that the F3J scheme can launch bigger planes than our typical winches like to handle. One imagines a nightmare scenario where the planes keep getting bigger, and eventually as clubs need to replace their launch gear, they'll turn to super-power Injoy or similar winches, and the cycle will repeat, and finally we'll be flying models 40% of full-scale like the gas-power boys. -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego !DSPAM:476aa8cc332856226910221! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com www.purplepages.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
... and as for that complaint department... make sure you stock up on plenty of bananas to feed them... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like the F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest, unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest director, you say to the contestants go ahead, full pedal the suckers, you only get so much power anyway. I mean seriously, why should the contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us having to hear about it :-) There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. Respectfully submitted, Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See my other post for the direct issues. Darwin On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote: Don't change the line Learn how to launch If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few Learn to launch and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the old Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150 (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list. Whahooo... Steve Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:476abd0710721830516297! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com www.purplepages.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10534
Bravo Ed; I agree with you 100%. Much like anything else various members clubs move into new technology at their own pace. Some of those are on the leading edge of technology and others ... well they fly woodies ;) With that being said if your latest creation world beater has the potential of breaking lines with a full-peddle launch, it is up to the pilot to adjust to the equipment on the field, not the equipment adjust to that one guy Makes a bunch of sense to me. One last thought... ever thought of penalizing someone for consecutive line-breaks that are clearly deemed the pilots fault? That may be an extreme but one will be amazed how fast they will shape up and not loose any more points on consecutive line-breaks... ... wow... did I say that??? yup.. you bet! Kurt Ed Anderson wrote: I believe Joe Rodriguez said it earlier. And Darwin is right, it is time to draw the line. We don't need to upgrade the equipment everytime someone comes out with a new plane. The pilot should be able to learn to get the most he can from the equipment at hand. Every time you make the winches stronger and the line heavier you FORCE people to move to stronger, more expensive planes which takes this hobby further and further from the sport flyer. If the current winches and line can't launch it then don't fly it! Leave this plane for F3J if it can't be successfully launched on the current winches. However I would wager that, with practice, you will be able to launch just fine. But stepping on the pedal hard for the whole launch may not be that technique. Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org - Original Message -=20 From: Darwin N. Barriemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the = Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current = crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are = becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, = will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests = and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but = the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line = drag and weight.=20 Where do we draw the line?=20 Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:476ac92a316161831345225! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com www.purplepages.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Gives us entertainment for the up and coming year :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh god, here we go again with this schedule thing !!! :-) Dave Hauch www.rc-builds.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule No Tom (B), its shoving RES (HL on Steroids) down the throats of anyone that cares to fly any/all of the other TD events. Great for Chuck, crappy for those that don't play hyper-HL. Seems to me that RES should follow UNL in this schedule, so the traditional multi-function events flow one after the other. JT Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:09:37 -0500 From: TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Dates/Schedule (R/C Soaring R/C Electric) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting arrangement. Making those NOS guys fly two meter : ) T - Original Message - From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com; Balsa Sailplanes Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED]; USA_FAI_Soaring Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Dates/Schedule (R/C Soaring R/C Electric) To all: 2008 Nats forms should be available on the AMA site shortly after January 1, 2008. Soaring Dates are: Sun July 27: NOS on Stage Center and HLG on the 600x600 Mon-Tue July 28-29:2Meter Wed July 30: RES Thu-Fri July 31-Aug 1: Unlimited Sat-Sun Aug 2-3: XC on Stage Center and F3B on the 600x600 Electric Nats Dates: Monday Aug 4: X5J Extreme Tuesday Aug 5: 1/2A LMR Sailplane Wednesday Aug 6: A LMR Sailplane Thursday Aug 7: B LMR Sailplane NEAC Sport Sailplane and 1/2A Texaco will be held as after hours events. LSF website will be updated shortly. Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:475f020398179395215187! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com www.purplepages.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 2m Duck
All this talk about the 2m Duck, where can I get specs on one? Is it worth trading in my 2m Organic for a 2m Duck? Kurt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
