[RCSE] 2M Re-Visited

2006-09-06 Thread David Register
As a diversion from the LSF angst, I'd like to briefly resurrect an old 
thread. Shortly after NATS there was a flurry of dialog regarding 2M 
design. My comments, in general, suggested there was still some room to 
upgrade 2M designs, look more closely at the Drela airfoils, optimize 
planforms at the wing loadings we could achieve, etc. etc. So for the 
last 6-8 weeks that's been a fun project. The result is a poly, aptly 
named the Kahuna 1.8 (2M doesn't quite fit in the bed of my truck so we 
opted for 72 span). Although a poly, it's intended to be a validation 
platform for trying a few things out. Basically a V-tail, pod and boom, 
Drela section, optimized planform for the wing loading and still 
winchable at an AUW of 19.5oz. The structures are basically similar to 
DLG but without the need for a sub-rudder. Other than that (and swapping 
out the airfoils), it's more or less a discus on steroids


Unfortunately, as Ben Wilson has noted, the dwindling number of 
sailplane guys makes the following unverifiable as there's only one 
active soaring pilot in Oklahoma that I'm aware of (me). So no 
witnesses. But there's no reason to make any of it up.


The last couple of evenings were spent doing hi-start trim flights, 
checking incidence, CG, control settings, etc. etc. Today was the first 
time to really winch it. The soccer field is somewhat small (three 
fields wide by one field long) and surrounded by trees on three sides 
and a major road on the 4th. So flights are pretty much restricted to 
flying over the open field area. First hard winch launch was a bit 
downwind. No wing flex, nice zoom, good stability, etc.


Second winch launch was similar - maybe 300ft total altitude at 
pushover. Launched into a nice little thermal and the adventure began. 
It became very obvious that the Drela sections were performing well. 
Just enough airfoil transition and washout to minimize tip stalls. The 
wing could pull a ridiculous AOA and just mush straight ahead. Basically 
very good pitch and yaw response with the V design chosen. After 
checking it all out and finding about three more thermals the ship is 
pretty well settled in and we've got 10 minutes on the flight and good 
altitude.


Wonder how long this can go on, sez I. Five thermals later and we're at 
25 minutes. Gee, sure would be fun to do that 1 hr Level IV flight. Just 
about then the lift cycle quits and at 29 minutes, and again at 34 
minutes, sub-tree top saves are needed to keep the flight going. The one 
at 34 hit a bubble on landing approach and off she went. Discus 
technology and methods show promise in this size class.


Somewhere around 45 minutes into the flight, it's looking really grim 
with a large sink cycle everywhere. I have no idea why those two 
adolescent hawks decided to have a bird fight over the field just then. 
But the two of them came tumbling out of the sky ass over tail feathers 
and pulled out at about 50ft right at the edge of the west tree line. 
They both started circling down wind - and were going up. Following the 
fighting falcons paid off with one of the better small thermals of the 
day and we're off to the races again.


Finally at 55 minutes into the flight it's time to relax until, at 58 
minutes, another sink cycle comes roaring through and it's looking grim. 
Right then the little flag on the Tx antenna starts pointing north. 
'Follow the flag' is the lesson given by Doug Harnish at the NATS so in 
desperation we're using what little altitude is left to head for the 
north tree line. And right there on a bead with the little flag is a 
tight little twister kicking off from the only tree on the line that's 
wiggling it's branches. The hour flight is made.


That little thermal worked so well that we were well and truly skied out 
(for a 2M) when it quit. Hmmm, wonder if a 2hr is in the cards? Nope 
(common sense kicks in) - it's a 400maH pack and the best we've got from 
it in the other plane is about 100 minutes and we've already used 15 on 
top of this so


Brought it home at the end of the next lift cycle for a 77:06 flight. 
Not bad for a trim flight on a 1.8m home design (and build). Sure 
would've been nice to have a witness or two for that 2nd L-IV flight but 
to my knowledge the nearest witnesses are 250+ miles away.


Bottom line - I still submit we are not optimized in 2M. Yes there are 
some good ships out there but I do not see any reason a 2M needs to come 
in at 46 oz or more. 30ish max if you're really heavy on the structures. 
Although this one is a poly, the same structures will be used for a 
flaperon version which shouldn't weigh more than 24oz. Yeah, it probably 
won't take a pedal-to-the-metal-full-bore-stomp-on-it winch launch. But 
the way this one is flying makes that a reasonable compromise.


This isn't hard to do, guys. I still believe the reason 2M performance 
is generally inferior to open class is that most 2M ships are either 
converted slopers or small open class ships, 

RE: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited

2006-09-06 Thread Tom Moore
 cool-- got any pictures?

tgm

-Original Message-
From: David Register [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:57 AM
To: Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited

As a diversion from the LSF angst, I'd like to briefly resurrect an old
thread. Shortly after NATS there was a flurry of dialog regarding 2M design.
My comments, in general, suggested there was still some room to upgrade 2M
designs, look more closely at the Drela airfoils, optimize planforms at the
wing loadings we could achieve, etc. etc. So for the last 6-8 weeks that's
been a fun project. The result is a poly, aptly named the Kahuna 1.8 (2M
doesn't quite fit in the bed of my truck so we opted for 72 span). Although
a poly, it's intended to be a validation platform for trying a few things
out. Basically a V-tail, pod and boom, Drela section, optimized planform for
the wing loading and still winchable at an AUW of 19.5oz. The structures are
basically similar to DLG but without the need for a sub-rudder. Other than
that (and swapping out the airfoils), it's more or less a discus on steroids

 

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Re: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited

2006-09-06 Thread Raschow




In a message dated 9/6/2006 2:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, it 
  probably won't take a pedal-to-the-metal-full-bore-stomp-on-it winch 
  launch.

Dr Mark D'sAllegro Lite sure as heck does! (awesome to watch!). 
Good Lift!