[RCSE] DB9, etc.

2006-01-06 Thread Jeff Thompson
Although I definitely wouldn't recommend it, I bought a 10 year old 
Sleger Spectrum F3B glider that had standard telephone jack connectors 
in the wings, and have had no problems with it!  I doubt they were ever 
designed for the power load on a flap servo.


Jeff Thompson

Soaring wrote:


SoaringSat, 7 Jan 2006  Volume 1 : Number 6929

In this issue:

   Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design
   Lachowski Pod
   Your kidding.. ?
   RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod
   Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod (pic)
   Re: [RCSE] Sold DLG + servos  Batt F/S
   Pike Superior for sale


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Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:08:09 -0800
From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:  soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Not all DB series connectors are created equal Martin. Typical Radio 
Shack units are crap to say the least, and have cyclic lifespans (the 
number of times you can plug/unplug mating connectors before the level 
of resistance increases to unacceptable levels) similar to what you 
suggest.


The DB-15HD's that I build into customer's harnesses are rated for 400+ 
cycles, this due directly the design of the pin/spring contact 
assemblies. Although they cost more, their (electrical) performance 
decrease over the first 200 cycles is negligeable. Sideways movement in 
any of this style of connectors is a non-issue given the male/female 
shrouding, so you can cease worrying about this.


The average 0.100 3pin connector that folks are accustom to are not 
rated for multiple cycling, some of the units I have seen coming in on 
F3x aircraft from overseas are downright inferior (so is the lead material).


Again, you get what you pay for here. High quality versions are indeed 
available that do offer high cyclic-ability, but they (again) cost more 
due to spring contact design that offers superior wiping without 
destroying both contact mating surfaces.


I like hehe your non-lapriscopic comment, I'll have to incorporate 
that term in my advertising...


regards

Martin Usher wrote:

 

My Stork uses a D type connector in the wing / wing mount to make all 
the connections to the wing servos. I think its a quite common 
arrangement on European molded planes, its convenient apart from the 
servo wires being all standard three pin servo wires that are not marked 
(so carelessly removing a receiver can lead to fun when replacing 
it..). The arrangement is neat but its not as good as it seems, the 
D types were not designed for repeated plugging and unplugging and the 
get a lot of sideways pull on them during wing attachment and removal -- 
both would contribute to the plug failing (and such failure would be 
intermittent.bad news for a servo connector).


The standard three pin Molex type connector that's used with R/C 
equipment is quite a good compromise between cost and 
reliability..its probably the best connector for the job still. 
Deans are also OK, they're big but at least you can solder them. I don't 
think there's anything else I'd trust except maybe the plugs used with 
USB connectors -- there are are actually a lot of good connectors out 
there but they're not easy to buy and good connectors tend to be 
expensive (especially if you want something that will take repeated 
plugging and unplugging).


I will agree with Simon that we need to design in cabling as part of the 
aircraft design. Not just cables, either -- room for nose weight, mounts 
for servos, non-lapriscopic access to servos and linkages -- details 
that really aren't that difficult to get right during the design and a 
nuisance to add after the fact.


Martin Usher

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Re: [RCSE] DB9, etc.

2006-01-06 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
It is always great to hear about inventiveness. Us modelers are a breed 
apart when it comes to tinkering;


I have had the luxury of hearing some very special stories over the 
years from fliers who either employed, or saw, some pretty unique (shall 
we say) electrical setups.


I'm sure a few of the saged amongst us could share some funny stuff they 
saw newbies or know-it-alls within the various facets of the our 
hobby/sport show up with to the flying site (does not have to be 
necessarily electrical).


I'll start (why not - great red should not be wasted when the 
Glenmorangie pourer is telling you she doesn't drink the stuff);



A guy showed up on the slope with the RX antenna four times longer than 
it should be on one of the first slopers that offered wingerons by a 
recognizable manufacturer (guess which one). While he was technically 
correct about the relationship between lambda (the dBm relationship 
between wavelength and reciprocity in terms of the point in the VHF 
bandwidth where multiples of, OK...I'll stop right here). Anyways, I (so 
I thought) very eloquently (some of you know me) attempted to point out 
the error of his ways.


I could elaborate on (and oh so precisely) what I said, but what I 
thought was interesting is that he never stopped setting up the whole 
time I was blathering on. Very methodical, not a crack in the armour. 
Just prior to launch, he looked me in the eye and said really you 
%^$?...watch this kid and learn somth'n.


So I watched and learned. Guess what, it flew. During the first moments 
following the owner's vigorous attempt to admonish me in the error of my 
ways, the aircraft started to waver. Have you ever seen flutter and the 
end result?


Now one would think that once wingerons start j*king off that there is 
precious little chance of things getting any better. I mean reallyif 
he has employed a full length antenna who KNOW's what's under the hood. 
 They did just that. The guy pulled around onto the slope face with a 
beam on his face that was almost blinding.


He dove down to do a loop, the antenna caught on one of the trees/bushes 
that are indigenous to most of the foothills in our area, and promptly 
yanked off the empannage.


Did anyone hear about the guy who used solid core wire throughout on his 
Moebius, and used cyanoacrylate to secure the wires after he twisted 
them together (cA as an incredibly efficient dialectric/insulator), then 
launched from the 350-V8 used to tow up fullsize...and the throttle 
stuck wide open (keep in mind he only put about 30ft of 005 twine on the 
tow cable)?


Or how about the time it was gusting in excess of 100KmH and another 
newbie against our suggestions of defering until anther day elected to 
launch at a site he had never seen before, promptly lost his pride and 
joy when it blew past us at warp nine only to land(?) aft in a farmer's 
field full of barley.


The owner became aware of the whereabouts of his aerobat months later 
when the farmer dutifully reported to the owner the discovery of his 
aircraft...in the cow feeder when it poured itself (slightly re-born) 
out of a huge cylindrical bale.


I will stop here...






Jeff Thompson wrote:

Although I definitely wouldn't recommend it, I bought a 10 year old 
Sleger Spectrum F3B glider that had standard telephone jack connectors 
in the wings, and have had no problems with it!  I doubt they were ever 
designed for the power load on a flap servo.


Jeff Thompson

Soaring wrote:

SoaringSat, 7 Jan 2006  Volume 1 : 
Number 6929


In this issue:

   Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design
   Lachowski Pod
   Your kidding.. ?
   RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod
   Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod (pic)
   Re: [RCSE] Sold DLG + servos  Batt F/S
   Pike Superior for sale


--

Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:08:09 -0800
From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:  soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Not all DB series connectors are created equal Martin. Typical Radio 
Shack units are crap to say the least, and have cyclic lifespans (the 
number of times you can plug/unplug mating connectors before the level 
of resistance increases to unacceptable levels) similar to what you 
suggest.


The DB-15HD's that I build into customer's harnesses are rated for 
400+ cycles, this due directly the design of the pin/spring contact 
assemblies. Although they cost more, their (electrical) performance 
decrease over the first 200 cycles is negligeable. Sideways movement 
in any of this style of connectors is a non-issue given the 
male/female shrouding, so you can cease worrying about this.


The average 0.100 3pin connector that folks are accustom to are not 
rated for multiple cycling, some of the units I have seen