Re: [RCSE] Flying Special
Jim, I personally can't believe how any these planes could fly or launch any better than the new Escape from Muller. The plane has an incredible sink rate, great legs, launches to the moon and will slow down to a walk on landings and has the coolest ballast system I have seen yet. Not to mention they are available from Sean Plummer at Aero-Model www.aero-model.com who just happens to be one the best guys in the hobby to deal with. Of course I am biased to all of the above because it is the only plane I am flying right now. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:44 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Flying Special At 10:51 PM 10/23/2000, Chris Kaiser wrote: From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] http://www.rc-modell.de/klemm/index.htm Could anyone tell me more about the model listed on the web page above. It sure looks interesting but I can't read German. Interesting to see the "Flying Special" is still being made, although the design looks much nicer than the original. There was a review of the original in, I think, an early "Silent Flight" - must be around 8 years ago now. The concept back then was for a multi-piece model - tails, tip panels, center sections, even fuse pods and tail booms, were seperate pieces and available in a couple of sizes, allowing them to be mixed and matched to create different sized and proportioned models. The aim, I believe, was to enable a flier to taylor their model to their own particular liking, rather than to optimise the design for contest work. From what I can understand from the website posted above, the latest incarnation retains the concept. Hence while it's probably beautifully built and no doubt flies very well, I doubt it would be a good choice for a serious contest ship. Thank you for the information, enough said, I am interested in F3J models. Your earlier email was regarding the Cobra - there's a web page for the supposed US manufacturer however it hasn't changed for months: http://www.mtcomposites.com/ Do you want a model for F3J, F3B, F3F, TD, or something else? For F3J there are many models out there that are probably better suited to the contest than the Cobra. For F3B there are various models that will do the tasks as well or better, however the trick is finding one that will also launch like the Cobra... For F3F most of the top guys seem to prefer other models to the Cobra. You'll know what works in TD much better than me. F3J models, I had a very nice Cobra lite until yesterday. (Daryl, do you need some more wingskins? 8-) ) Stuffed it, total yard sale, took 30 minutes to dig it out of the ground. Really bummed me out, one of my favorite models to fly. Actually, it was my favorite model. On the other hand, I just bought Oleg's and it's exactly like my old one except this one is all multiplex digital fitted, very nice. I like the Cobra for the way it launches, and I like the way it flies in the windy weather we get in the Chicago area, easy to ballast, and packs flat for traveling because of the plug in V tail. I have learned to land it and have a pretty good setup, it's OK for me on a FAI tape or American style runway like Nats, but it's not the ultimate landing machine. I guess you can tell I hunting around for the next F3J ship. Anyone have a F3J Cobra (lite) that is NIB or in excellent condition they want to sell? 8-) Are Cobra's still being made in the UK? I have a Agate that I have a season and a half on, 68oz 3.5m 7037, all multiplex digital. Lands pretty good due to light weight and big flaps. Did pretty well with it on the midwest contest circuit with it and made the flyoffs in F3J at Nats, took 5th. I like the model, but after launching the likes of the Cobra it feels like a tank on the zoom. Maybe I can do better with the launch set up, it is certainly strong. I have a new Amethyst that looks almost the same as the Agate, but sports a MH32 instead and might have just a bit more wingspan, same molded fuse and Vtail. Should fly it this weekend, my hopes are high for it. The new Maple Leaf F3J model looks interesting to me... Other models that interest me at the moment are the Tragi 701 Carbon, the Artemis, the new Pike Light, and the Element. I am shopping around and open to suggestions. Thanks for all the links, I've been to many of them but not all. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of Chicago SOAR clubICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Flying Special
From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] http://www.rc-modell.de/klemm/index.htm Could anyone tell me more about the model listed on the web page above. It sure looks interesting but I can't read German. Interesting to see the "Flying Special" is still being made, although the design looks much nicer than the original. There was a review of the original in, I think, an early "Silent Flight" - must be around 8 years ago now. The concept back then was for a multi-piece model - tails, tip panels, center sections, even fuse pods and tail booms, were seperate pieces and available in a couple of sizes, allowing them to be mixed and matched to create different sized and proportioned models. The aim, I believe, was to enable a flier to taylor their model to their own particular liking, rather than to optimise the design for contest work. From what I can understand from the website posted above, the latest incarnation retains the concept. Hence while it's probably beautifully built and no doubt flies very well, I doubt it would be a good choice for a serious contest ship. Your earlier email was regarding the Cobra - there's a web page for the supposed US manufacturer however it hasn't changed for months: http://www.mtcomposites.com/ Do you want a model for F3J, F3B, F3F, TD, or something else? For F3J there are many models out there that are probably better suited to the contest than the Cobra. For F3B there are various models that will do the tasks as well or better, however the trick is finding one that will also launch like the Cobra... For F3F most of the top guys seem to prefer other models to the Cobra. You'll know what works in TD much better than me. If you're not specifically after contest performance, but just want a model that flies like the Cobra because you like it, then I guess you'll just have to keep looking... In the meantime, here's some links to various manufacturers or suppliers of F3x type models. http://www.chk-modelle.de/ http://www.web.netactive.co.za/~goodrum/compcr.htm http://www.f3x.com/ http://www.euromodell.de/ http://www.soarhigh.co.uk/ecg/ http://perso.club-internet.fr/designev/element2.htm http://www.hkm-modellbau.de/hkm/index0.html http://www.shredair.com/ http://www.tun.ch/ Happy browsing! Ciao - Chris ** Chris Kaiser Auckland, NEW ZEALAND http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Flying Special
At 10:51 PM 10/23/2000, Chris Kaiser wrote: From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] http://www.rc-modell.de/klemm/index.htm Could anyone tell me more about the model listed on the web page above. It sure looks interesting but I can't read German. Interesting to see the "Flying Special" is still being made, although the design looks much nicer than the original. There was a review of the original in, I think, an early "Silent Flight" - must be around 8 years ago now. The concept back then was for a multi-piece model - tails, tip panels, center sections, even fuse pods and tail booms, were seperate pieces and available in a couple of sizes, allowing them to be mixed and matched to create different sized and proportioned models. The aim, I believe, was to enable a flier to taylor their model to their own particular liking, rather than to optimise the design for contest work. From what I can understand from the website posted above, the latest incarnation retains the concept. Hence while it's probably beautifully built and no doubt flies very well, I doubt it would be a good choice for a serious contest ship. Thank you for the information, enough said, I am interested in F3J models. Your earlier email was regarding the Cobra - there's a web page for the supposed US manufacturer however it hasn't changed for months: http://www.mtcomposites.com/ Do you want a model for F3J, F3B, F3F, TD, or something else? For F3J there are many models out there that are probably better suited to the contest than the Cobra. For F3B there are various models that will do the tasks as well or better, however the trick is finding one that will also launch like the Cobra... For F3F most of the top guys seem to prefer other models to the Cobra. You'll know what works in TD much better than me. F3J models, I had a very nice Cobra lite until yesterday. (Daryl, do you need some more wingskins? 8-) ) Stuffed it, total yard sale, took 30 minutes to dig it out of the ground. Really bummed me out, one of my favorite models to fly. Actually, it was my favorite model. On the other hand, I just bought Oleg's and it's exactly like my old one except this one is all multiplex digital fitted, very nice. I like the Cobra for the way it launches, and I like the way it flies in the windy weather we get in the Chicago area, easy to ballast, and packs flat for traveling because of the plug in V tail. I have learned to land it and have a pretty good setup, it's OK for me on a FAI tape or American style runway like Nats, but it's not the ultimate landing machine. I guess you can tell I hunting around for the next F3J ship. Anyone have a F3J Cobra (lite) that is NIB or in excellent condition they want to sell? 8-) Are Cobra's still being made in the UK? I have a Agate that I have a season and a half on, 68oz 3.5m 7037, all multiplex digital. Lands pretty good due to light weight and big flaps. Did pretty well with it on the midwest contest circuit with it and made the flyoffs in F3J at Nats, took 5th. I like the model, but after launching the likes of the Cobra it feels like a tank on the zoom. Maybe I can do better with the launch set up, it is certainly strong. I have a new Amethyst that looks almost the same as the Agate, but sports a MH32 instead and might have just a bit more wingspan, same molded fuse and Vtail. Should fly it this weekend, my hopes are high for it. The new Maple Leaf F3J model looks interesting to me... Other models that interest me at the moment are the Tragi 701 Carbon, the Artemis, the new Pike Light, and the Element. I am shopping around and open to suggestions. Thanks for all the links, I've been to many of them but not all. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of Chicago SOAR clubICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
