[RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome???
Wow!! That sucks...I would really be pissed if my shoulder did that. I guess the first day of the HL season I will experience some tightness. Stretching usually helps to eliminate it though. I hear alot of HL people complain about the shoulder pain. I have never really had it. Of course, I grew up on a tennis court, so overhead serves and smashes were the norm. I probably developed the tendon strength at a young age. Sean Porter BTW... I think we should throw with our hips and legs, not the shoulder anyway. When you watch the javelin dudes, they rotate their hips and then the upper torso follows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome
ll be able to improve faster than if you tried hard at the beginning. I have coached a lot of athletes. The first part of every season starts out with drill work. The goal is to get the movement perfect not break down the body. Nothing is hard, no one is tired at the end. You just have to give the body 2 to 3 weeks to adjust. I know I have gone on a bit on this point, but I have seen a lot of injuries in my time and if I can help anyone here break into HLG and not hurt themselves doing it, all the better! Good Hunting, Jim Cubbage -Original Message- From: Bill Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:15 AM To: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome I must be making some progress with HLG-- my shoulder and elbow are getting sore. I've been throwing an hour or two on Saturdays/Sundays and trying for a few minutes to a half hour on weekdays over the past three weeks. Flying the DJ Aero Chrysalis. I have been concentrating on getting a "good" setup, throw and followthrough (or at least what I perceive as "good", being self-taught for now). I've not programmed an elevator launch preset on purpose so I can pay attention to getting a solid horizontal throw. I have been putting a bit of "english" on the throw so it does throw "up" a bit so I can fly the plane. Generally, I get about 15' altitude and about 40' out where the plane transitions from being thrown to gliding. From there I'll bring the plane around 180 deg and catch it or land near my feet. And then throw again. One "problem" is that I usually end up HLGing in a moderate 5-7 mph wind and it's a "bear" to bring the plane around back to me in the wind at low altitude-- the airspeed and penetration just ain't there. But this initial practice has been good to give me a feel for throwing. And as time wears on I'll work on new throwing routines and, hopefully, get better at it. In a little while, once I get my throwing style established, I plan to visit my chiropractor, who does sports medicine, and get an evaluation of the mechanics of my throwing technique. Or sooner, if the arm gets real sore. :) What sort of a throwing practice routine would you (all) recommend? The throw-circle-catch-throw routine is OK, but may become uninteresting eventually. ;) BTW, I've been directed to a WebSite on throwing "The Wonderful World of Throwing", which is javelin-oriented, but applicable to what we do: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~banken/javelin.html Take care, --Bill On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:45:40 -0400 "Tom H. Nagel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Spring and summer I made a serious attempt to learn how to fly HLG. What I learned was all about shoulder strain. The XC Nats might have had a hand in it. My job on the XC team was to throw the monster plane. "So, what do you do on the XC team, Nagel?" "I throw up." Anyway, the right shoulder got so bad I was having trouble combing my hair and using the remote for the garage door opener. It was getting close to the proverbial "Can't find his ass with both hands" situation. One of the hands wasn't working. Is that an excuse? I suspect that I am not alone in this problem, and I have been researching treatments. So here is a three step program to cure Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome that seems to be working for me. A. Make a minor modification to your HLG, to help prevent further injury. Carefully locate the CG on the fuselage, and make a small mark at that point. Drill a hole in the bottom of the fuse 1/4" ahead of that point and install a little towhook. 2. Naproxen, two tabs twice a day. III. A series of four very low impact and simple exercises. -- bend over so your torso is more or less horizontal, let your arm hang down and gently swing your extended arm around in a circle, going first clockwise 12 turns and then counterclockwise 12 turns. Don't do anything that hurts. Each day, add a few circles. -- stand up and pretend you are using the arm on one end of a crosscut saw--12 or so push-pulls on the saw. Each day add a few saw cuts. --hold your arms to your sides and gently flap like a bird. If you are a severely wounded bird, like I was, just flap a foot or so up from your side, and do 12 or so flaps. Each day flap the arms a little higher and a little longer. --shrug your shoulders, and from time to time pretend you are trying to hold a soccer ball between hour shoulder blades. Tom Nagel Columbus, Ohio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facili
Re: [RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome???
Wow!! That sucks...I would really be pissed if my shoulder did that. Even worse if your groin did that. :) BTW... I think we should throw with our hips and legs, not the shoulder anyway. When you watch the javelin dudes, they rotate their hips and then the upper torso follows. I wonder about this. Remember that in javelin throwing, the idea is to reach max speed and then impart max force on the javelin...without going over the arc marking the end of the runway. We however don't have to try and stop our bodies after the throw (no balk line in handlaunch). So, should the body "snap" like a whip, or flow like a catapult? Wurts mentions "bending over" after his throws (3-Rs video). But it is a natural extension of the follow-through. I don't throw with as much force (or pre-throw speed) as most. I think of my body as a wheel (legs spread, arms straight and extended). Max speed happens when I accelerate one arm and let the other side of the wheel compress (think of a single bladed prop with a counter-weight that is close to the axis). Longer time with the hands on the plane that way and energy is conserved...imparted to the plane. On another related item. I have seen what is probably the coolest way to do a soccer throw-in. A woman at Stanford (?) on their soccer team meets the rules requirement of having both feet planted and both hands on the ball by holding the ball above her head, running forward, placing the ball on the ground (still in both hands), and doing a full somersault over the ball, onto her feet, before releasing it as her body whips. Great speed! - David [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome
This Spring and summer I made a serious attempt to learn how to fly HLG. What I learned was all about shoulder strain. The XC Nats might have had a hand in it. My job on the XC team was to throw the monster plane. "So, what do you do on the XC team, Nagel?" "I throw up." Anyway, the right shoulder got so bad I was having trouble combing my hair and using the remote for the garage door opener. It was getting close to the proverbial "Can't find his ass with both hands" situation. One of the hands wasn't working. Is that an excuse? I suspect that I am not alone in this problem, and I have been researching treatments. So here is a three step program to cure Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome that seems to be working for me. A. Make a minor modification to your HLG, to help prevent further injury. Carefully locate the CG on the fuselage, and make a small mark at that point. Drill a hole in the bottom of the fuse 1/4" ahead of that point and install a little towhook. 2. Naproxen, two tabs twice a day. III. A series of four very low impact and simple exercises. -- bend over so your torso is more or less horizontal, let your arm hang down and gently swing your extended arm around in a circle, going first clockwise 12 turns and then counterclockwise 12 turns. Don't do anything that hurts. Each day, add a few circles. -- stand up and pretend you are using the arm on one end of a crosscut saw--12 or so push-pulls on the saw. Each day add a few saw cuts. --hold your arms to your sides and gently flap like a bird. If you are a severely wounded bird, like I was, just flap a foot or so up from your side, and do 12 or so flaps. Each day flap the arms a little higher and a little longer. --shrug your shoulders, and from time to time pretend you are trying to hold a soccer ball between hour shoulder blades. Tom Nagel Columbus, Ohio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tom, You can solve it with a simple one step solution. Get, or build, a modern discus launch hlg. -- Dick Barker Seattle, WA - The Old Fart Glider Flyer - http://www.eskimo.com/~dickb/UpLink.html Tom Nagel grumbled: This Spring and summer I made a serious attempt to learn how to fly HLG. What I learned was all about shoulder strain. . I suspect that I am not alone in this problem, and I have been researching treatments. So here is a three step program to cure Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome that seems to be working for me. . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome
Don't think so. I threw a Red Herring for a while and it is just a whole other set of muscles and strains from that action. Jut takes working up to it. Working out with a HLG can be Heaven or Hell. The better you get a working lift the less you'll hurt. When the air is flat put it down and wait. You know when there is lift!!! Dick Barker wrote: Tom, You can solve it with a simple one step solution. Get, or build, a modern discus launch hlg. -- Dick Barker Seattle, WA - The Old Fart Glider Flyer - http://www.eskimo.com/~dickb/UpLink.html Tom Nagel grumbled: This Spring and summer I made a serious attempt to learn how to fly HLG. What I learned was all about shoulder strain. . I suspect that I am not alone in this problem, and I have been researching treatments. So here is a three step program to cure Handlaunch Shoulder Syndrome that seems to be working for me. . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
