Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
This was too cute Jack.. I tried to reply privately, but your mail is bouncing.. Brian Smith \ : "schrederman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist DUUUHHH!!! yourself. Wake up ... it ain't all about you. -- schrederman RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
If you come to my contest, you'll be launching on 180# line and if you break it, you'll fly it. Just because you have no skill, just brute strength, is not my problem, either. So who says we have to cater to your HIGHER line strength needs. There is something in the rule book about the CD settting the rules of a particular contest. If I have everyone showing up with ICON 8s or whatever, 300# line is what I need to provide. My suggestion of 180# line doesn't actually cater to anyone. It's still too heavy for lots of models. It's actually strong enough to launch your Icon or my Onyx JW. The real world is that not everyone wants the latest carbon gobbler to fall out of the tree... so DUUUHHH!!! yourself. Wake up ... it ain't all about you. -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788570 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
Guys, I look at it this way. When I get to go to a contest, I am already happy to not be flying and not working. I have CD some contests myself in the past so I know what the CD and his crew have gone through to put the contest on so I can attend and I appreciate that. The last thing I am worried about is the size of line they have on their club winches whether I am flying an Icon or 2 meter. I go up to the line and launch. If I break the line, I know not to push it so hard the next time. I have never been denied a relaunch for a broken line so I have never had to just fly it out. If I break a line, I always try to volunteer to help fix the next line break after my flight since it is hard to fix the one you just broke when you are normally sent to the next winch to get in line to go. If you are flying a 2 meter and winch is strung with heavy line so what. You should have the opportunity to get just as high a launch as the other guys flying 2 meters so what is the big deal. Are we not really all doing this as way to get away from work and troubles of the day to spend quality time with friends. I think it is cool that Don is coming out with a new plane and that we should be talking about the merits of the new plane, not worrying about how well the winch lines are going to hold up to it. BTW, are there any pictures out there anywhere yet of this new Beast? See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
Now we are using seriously offending terms...*#^!baggers" I would stay clear from this type of incendiary remark if I were you:) I prefer the PC term optimal condition competitor But I agree we can't keep increasing the line size. On Dec 20, 2007 10:12 AM, Darwin N. Barrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris, > > It is much more than throwing on heavier line. We experimented with > heavier line. It does not give in the launch and many will have > difficulties adapting at first. Secondly, and the most critical, the > reels are maxed out. We cannot go to much bigger line because the > reels will have to be changed out for larger ones. Or, use a > turnaround 300' out!! That would be popular. > > I can tell you it is very frustrating to run a big contest and have > everything from a Sleazy Glider to a 140+ plane to launch. Throw in > the fact that there are some people out there that winning is so > important that they will go for it all even if it breaks a line. > These are usually the notorious sandbaggers too!!! > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist? > > > > No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for > > specific plane designs. > > > > What is the problem??? A CD provides a launch method that can launch > > all planes. Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter > > planes launched high is not his problem. > > > > The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine > > that can power the plane. So what if the little planes cannot travel > > across the "great herring pond" as efficiently as the big ones. > > > > Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines. In > > Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements. What's > > the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the > > High End have better winches for them to use? You can also use > > clothesline rope if you want. > > > > There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be > > provided. So, buck it up and get a better launching plane. Get > > rid of > > that old NOS or woodie class and come into the REAL world. > > > > I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter > > planes. If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off > > your tails and get a plane that can launch. > > > > This is so bogus to hear everyone complain. Look at all the > > aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them. > > > > Duu. > > > > Chris > > > > > >> Original Message > >> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am > >> To: soaring@airage.com > >> > >> In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with > >> the Euro > >> models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current > >> crop of moldies, > >> line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming > >> more prevelant. > >> Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden > >> for the > >> lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. > >> > >> We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes > >> but the > >> lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the > >> line drag and > >> weight. > >> > >> Where do we draw the line? > >> > >> Darwin N. Barrie > >> Chandler AZ > >> > >> > >> > >> It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a > >> higher > >> aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just > >> have less drag > >> and be more efficient. > >> > >> Bill Wingstedt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **See AOL's top rated recipes > >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > >> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > >> "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe > >> messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > >> Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > >> generally NOT in text format > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe > > messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > > generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME
Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
Chris, It is much more than throwing on heavier line. We experimented with heavier line. It does not give in the launch and many will have difficulties adapting at first. Secondly, and the most critical, the reels are maxed out. We cannot go to much bigger line because the reels will have to be changed out for larger ones. Or, use a turnaround 300' out!! That would be popular. I can tell you it is very frustrating to run a big contest and have everything from a Sleazy Glider to a 140+ plane to launch. Throw in the fact that there are some people out there that winning is so important that they will go for it all even if it breaks a line. These are usually the notorious sandbaggers too!!! Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist? No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for specific plane designs. What is the problem??? A CD provides a launch method that can launch all planes. Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter planes launched high is not his problem. The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine that can power the plane. So what if the little planes cannot travel across the "great herring pond" as efficiently as the big ones. Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines. In Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements. What's the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the High End have better winches for them to use? You can also use clothesline rope if you want. There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be provided. So, buck it up and get a better launching plane. Get rid of that old NOS or woodie class and come into the REAL world. I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter planes. If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off your tails and get a plane that can launch. This is so bogus to hear everyone complain. Look at all the aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them. Duu. Chris Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am To: soaring@airage.com In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a higher aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just have less drag and be more efficient. Bill Wingstedt **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist? No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for specific plane designs. What is the problem??? A CD provides a launch method that can launch all planes. Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter planes launched high is not his problem. The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine that can power the plane. So what if the little planes cannot travel across the "great herring pond" as efficiently as the big ones. Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines. In Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements. What's the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the High End have better winches for them to use? You can also use clothesline rope if you want. There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be provided. So, buck it up and get a better launching plane. Get rid of that old NOS or woodie class and come into the REAL world. I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter planes. If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off your tails and get a plane that can launch. This is so bogus to hear everyone complain. Look at all the aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them. Duu. Chris > Original Message > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am > To: soaring@airage.com > > In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro > models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of > moldies, > line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more > prevelant. > Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden for the > lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. > > We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the > lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and > weight. > > Where do we draw the line? > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > > > It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a higher > aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just have less > drag > and be more efficient. > > Bill Wingstedt > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in > text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
