Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...

2004-12-02 Thread Mark Drela

I'm building the new tail for my solar plane and I'm thinking I'll make a
Drela style carbon V mount for the vstab.


The original carbon V-mount was on the Daedalus HPA, on both the stab and the
rudder:

http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC88-0059-002.jpg
http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Large/EC88-0059-002.jpg   
(hi-res)

http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC87-0014-8.jpg
http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Large/EC87-0014-8.jpg   (hi res)

Putting the rudder on a V-mount works fine, except striking the rudder
on the ground may cause it to break.  I suppose you could have the V-mounted
rudder mostly above the boom, which would minimize the torques on the
V-mount from a ground strike.  But rudder airloads will torque the boom more.

Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side
or the left side of the boom...



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RE: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...

2004-12-02 Thread Scobie Puchtler
Mark Drela sent:
http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC87-0014-8.jpg


Hey, wait a sec, that thing is just a rib-constructed Supergee with an ugly
pod and a big prop. Are you sure this is a photo of a full scale aircraft?
:-)

I think the guy inside is just a modified Hanz the pilot figure, and the
whole thing was photographed just after an aggressive tip launch.  


Lift,
Scobie at Liftworx
www.liftworx.com
 


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Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...

2004-12-02 Thread Paul Breed

Putting the rudder on a V-mount works fine, except striking the rudder
on the ground may cause it to break.  I suppose you could have the V-mounted
rudder mostly above the boom, which would minimize the torques on the
V-mount from a ground strike.  But rudder airloads will torque the boom more.
My thought was that the rudder strikes on landing would most likely be
from straight ahead. If the rudder was attached with a single bolt then
it should pivot around that bolt, and not transmit much load to anything?
The Flight loads wanting to rotate the rudder fore and aft in the vertical 
plane
should be almost zero if the mount is in the rudder center???

I realize that the rotating prop puts some diferential airflow into the 
equation
but I wouldn;t think it was that much

Am I missing something?
Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side
or the left side of the boom...
I'm currently living in The Peoples Republic of California, so it's got to 
go on the Left side ;-)


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Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...

2004-12-02 Thread Michael Neverdosky
Paul Breed wrote:
Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the 
right side
or the left side of the boom...
I'm currently living in The Peoples Republic of California, so it's got 
to go on the Left side ;-)
Isn't that the place where they elected 'The Terminator' as Gov?
Give me a break.
michael
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