Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
You got that right! Be careful or I'll send pictures! Kristopher Harig wrote: Sal in a cheerleading uniform...now that is not a pretty thought. Kristopher - Original Message - From: "Sal DeFrancesco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am facilitator and head cheerleader. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
Yep! Perscription too! Dennis Phelan wrote: Dudes, He admitted that he was on drugs! HEHEH! --- Regis White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give him a break, he was sick. :~) Regis Dennis __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
Now I need drugs to get that vision out of my head... Sal are you going to CASL this weekend? If so you could model for the crowd... Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com Sal in a cheerleading uniform...now that is not a pretty thought. Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
2 cents worth pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. flying 'top end' planes merely levels the proverbial playing field. why handicap yourself from the start? pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. practice practice practice tom miller carlisle, pa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So, what you're saying is that I can simply plop down a kilobuck for that new polycarbonate technowonder, "Your Wurtz Nightmare" and go out and kick Perking's tush? With practice? I agree, but couldn't pass this up... --Bill On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:54:04 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 cents worth pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. flying 'top end' planes merely levels the proverbial playing field. why handicap yourself from the start? pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. practice practice practice tom miller carlisle, pa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
So true and I will add to your point. It is useful to think of the system more than just the individual parts. Our system includes the pilot, plane, radio, timer, and any other instruments/aids used. A ballanced system is probably going to produce better results than one where parts are mismatched. Beginers are better off with planes that have a lower workload. Changing camber from cruise to thermalling to speeding across the sky is likely to reduce the performance of most begining and intermediate pilots. Choosing an airfoil that will work well without camber changing lets these pilots concentrate more on finding and staying in up air. Once a pilot is skilled enough that flying and thermalling is very nearly automatic, the more complex plane may be helpfull as they now have the ability to think about reconfiguring the plane, without loosing track of the task at hand. Now back to the system. Try to change only one part of the system at a time. With each change, take time and effort to adjust and learn and get the best performance out of the new setup. Then change something else. Remember that with any change there is likely to be a learning curve so you might sometimes seem to take a step backwards to take two forwards. This is especially true of moving into a higher performance plane. This also works as skills change. After flying a plane for a few months you might find that you like it better with the CG more aft (or forward), you might like it better with more (or less) elevator travel. Something as simple as a different color on the wings may make a difference. For some people, it may be an advantage to fly the older plane and take advantage of experience over flying a new, probably better but unfamiliar craft. There are also big differences in the events you might want to fly. A very wide range of planes can win in AMA TD as long as you can get them down on the spot, but for F3B or F3F, you *must* have a plane that goes very fast. To win a race you must have a real racing machine. Remember, if you are not having fun, you are not doing it right. michael N6CHV AMA 77292 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 cents worth pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. flying 'top end' planes merely levels the proverbial playing field. why handicap yourself from the start? pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. pilot not the plane. practice practice practice tom miller carlisle, pa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
The question was a valid one! Where are the wood planes going and why so many molded planes? Answer is they are still here just the Flash off the molded planes blinds some pilots to planes they would / should normally look at. Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
- Original Message - From: "Karlton Spindle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Answer is they are still here just the Flash off the molded planes blinds some pilots to planes they would / should normally look at. Amen. I have even seen guys recommend a relative newbie buy a molded/hitech airplane as a first or second model. They don't last long in the role. I am afraid we might all start suffering "mold blight". Its characterized by empty pockets and delusions of grandeur. :) Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
There is good reason for him to post on this subject. If you go to the Multiplex web site you will find a bunch of nice, midprice sailplanes. I recently bought a Mpx Flamingo 2001 and it is a very nice plane. It has a fairly fat fuse and is a bit heavy for high end AMA TD competition but I like the look and I wanted a fun fly plane that didn't cost too much or take too long to build. There is always to option to bag a set of wings and buy a ready made fuse to end up with a nice plane at an investment of around $200 and a moderate number of hours. The ever present trade off is hours vs dollars. You can spend more dollars on a moldie and only a few hours getting ready to fly. Or you can spend fewer dollars on the plane and spend more time building. Another plane I have is the Gambler from F3X and it is a real nice plane for under $400 but it does require a fair amount of building. I decided to refine both my flying and building skills before doing the Gambler. It will probably be my next open class plane after the Flamingo as it will be lighter and cleaner with a faster airfoil. It will not be better looking. I find considerable value in liking the way the plane looks both in direct appreciation and also in that I tend to fly more when I like the plane. We all know what happens when we fly more. :-)) michael N6CHV AMA 77292 Kristopher Harig wrote: We can always count on Karlton to not be bashfull! :) Kristopher - Original Message - From: "Karlton Spindle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Jon Stone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Kristopher Harig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes You can get a Milan 134" for $330.00... BTW the Multiplex team took the Graupner Cup last year sort of cool up with all the MOLDED planes a WOOD planes won! Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
The Milan is a fantastic deal for the sport flyer. But look at the flying weight.86-105 ounces! This might be OK for some F3J work but not light enough for TD contest in the US. The Milan is a great deal for fun but don't go there for wining TD contests. We sell the Stork and I wouldn't suggest it for TD contests either although for fun you can't beat it. Same goes for the Milan. Always keep in mind that we usually fly a very different contest than the Europeans. We fly precision duration with a very tight spot or line landing at the end. Ships of this type need to be smaller spanned from 100" to 126" (approx.) will work. The wingloading should be 9.5 oz/sq ft or below and have reasonable large movable surfaces for maneuverability. Charlatan Spindle wrote: You can get a Milan 134" for $330.00... BTW the Multiplex team took the Graupner Cup last year sort of cool up with all the MOLDED planes a WOOD planes won! Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Disappearance of midpriced sailplanes
Yep, if I flew thermal contests and lived on the east coast I'd ask Gordy too! Where in the hell has he been lately? Conspicuously missing in action. Gordy..Gordy.earth to Gordy, come in Gordy.Over. C.L. Sal DeFrancesco wrote: Last thing...At a contest try to enlist the best and most experienced flyer on the field to be your timer. If Daryl or Joe happen to be there ask! Usually they will be able to time for you at least once and the knowledge you will pick up is priceless! In the Midwest try Rich Burnowski, Terry Edmonds, or Mike Fox. The East Coasters already know who to ask! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
