[Soekris] general impressions of network throughput

2014-03-16 Thread Malcolm Herbert
We will be soon getting a 25Mb/s link and I was wondering what max
throughput people had found for various models of Soekris boards - I
have some 4801s and a 5501 at the moment but was concerned that these
might not have the grunt to cope, especially as it would become my end
of a PPPoE link and might also host some static web pages too.

I'm currently running NetBSD with pf on a 4801 as a firewall but would
be happy to consider any *BSD flavour if there seems to be a marked
advantage ...

What are others experience with higher network load on these devices?

Regards,
Malcolm

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[Soekris] net5501 death, net5501 vs net6501 mounting

2012-05-22 Thread Malcolm Herbert
So, I think my net5501 may have died this afternoon when it was
accidentally yanked from a shelf ... not normally a problem, however as
I was building a new system based on this board, the case was off and
the hard drive was floating free and they all ended up in the drawer
together whilst it was powered ...

I suspect in the confusion the HDD might have contacted something vital
as now it doesn't appear to light up at all, although I can hear the HDD
spin up, so _something_ might be recoverable ... what are my chances?

Also, I seem to recall somewhere that Soekris were willing to re-test
boards if they were faulty however I can't find this information on
their website to know whether this is true and what rates are offered -
does anyone know?

Failing that, I have a working net5501 Soekris box, 2500mA 12V power
supply and 2.5" SATA HDD mounting bracket. Rather than buy a replacement
net5501 board, it would be nice if the net6501 could just drop in - is
this the case? If not, which bits would I need to buy again?

Regards,
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Re: [Soekris] freebsd jails vs linux vservers on net5501

2012-05-08 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:20:07AM +0100, Philip wrote:
|The problem is that the freebsd install isn't well patched because I
|just can't get along with the package management as well as debian
|apt. I used to get along with netbsd package management okay but that
|doesn't have jails. Now it has developed some other issues which I
|can't easily debug, and which I would have debugged easily in debian.
|Frankly it's just annoying me.

There is another option - pkgsrc is designed to work on may other OSes
not just NetBSD and works fine on FreeBSD, so you can at least give that
a shot ... don't use it myself in this combination, but it should work
OK

|Has anyone here tried vserver on a soekris? how does it compare with
|freebsd jail for resources?

I also have a net5501 but wouldn't consider doing any VM stuff on them
as they just don't have the grunt ... jails in this case would be the
best solution since it has the least management overhead ...

Regards,
Malcolm

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Re: [Soekris] Bridging OpenBSD

2012-04-29 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:24:31AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:
|On 2012/04/29 14:24, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
|> wierd ... wonder why mine works on NetBSD then ...
|
|probably because because NetBSD is different to OpenBSD..
|sounds like maybe it duplicates frames to bpf listeners on any member
|interface of a bridge; this would simplify dhcpd configuration but I think
|also makes it harder to use bpf to diagnose problems with the bridge,
|it would prevent you checking on which physical port traffic is sent/
|received on.

I do recall that under NetBSD you can't assign an IP address to a 
bridge - I tried this first and it didn't work at all ...

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Re: [Soekris] Bridging OpenBSD

2012-04-28 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 08:05:27PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
|On 2012-04-26, Greg Troxel  wrote:
|> I wonder if the issue is that dhcp is implemented by bpf, and bpf raw
|> frames are not bridged.
|
|Yes, exactly. You would need to specify the list of network adapters
|in dhcpd_flags in /etc/rc.conf.local, then /etc/rc.d/dhcpd restart.

wierd ... wonder why mine works on NetBSD then ...

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Re: [Soekris] Bridging OpenBSD

2012-04-26 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I have done similar on a NetBSD box but was hoping to be able to log
in and provide the details.  It's disconnected at the moment but should
be able to look at it sometime today.

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Re: [Soekris] RAID1

2011-04-06 Thread Malcolm Herbert

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:54 -0400, "Greg Troxel" 
wrote:
> FWIW, I use raidframe in NetBSD for RAID1.   With raid
> autoconfiguration, either disk will boot in pretty much any computer.
> Other than partitioning and installation, it's nearly transparent.

+1 from me ... I have been using RaidFRAME on both my net5501 and
net4801 hosts and an external USB disk enclosure without issues[1]

this has saved my metaphorical bacon more than once with dead disks in
the past ... 

also, one thing that helps when using autoconfigured software RAID
devices is that the disk later becomes more portable, in the sense that
it will also boot successfully in any other host - once the kernel is
up, it will refer to filesystems by /dev/raid so the fact that the
kernel found the disk as /dev/wd or /dev/sd as it booted makes no
difference ... very very handy for recovery operations[2]

This experience comes from NetBSD but should also be applicable to other
*BSDen and Linux to some extent[3] ...

Regards,
Malcolm

[1] apart from the 2day synchronisation time on a 150GB drive with the
net4801's USB 1.1 support ... :)
[2] in fact I generally set up my laptop for day-to-day operations as a
broken RaidFRAME mirror for this very reason.
[3] Linux seems to have a slightly more robust method for identifying
locations of filesystems on the same device regardless of device path
however.

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[Soekris] serial-only boot of x86 Solaris 11 Express?

2010-12-02 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I'm trying to install Solaris 11 Express on a Soekris net5501 host which
has 256MB of memory and no video card for use as a low-power server[1] -
how do I configure grub to tell the kernel to use the serial port as a
console?

after some hardware issues, I managed to get a 32bit install of Solaris
11 Express installed onto a 2.5" SATA drive using my netbook.  After
making sure that grub didn't use a graphical splash screen I was able to
hook the HDD up to the net5501 board and boot it.  

The serial console showed the grub screen and was I able to watch it
count down, however when grub handed off to the kernel, there was some
disk activity (around 20-25sec worth) before the host rebooted again ...
all the while without any output to the BIOS video emulator or to the
serial port ...

This is encouraging - I'm expecting the host to not perform well (if it
does at all) due to the extremely tight memory, but I'd still like to
see where it is choking and see what else the booting kernel discovers
as it comes up, however I'm not sure what to do with grub to get the
appropriate logging messages to the kernel ... has anyone tried to get a
purely serial-only install of Solaris/OpenSolaris working on x86
hardware?  No brainer for SPARC, which is where I'm more familiar ... 

Regards,
Malcolm

[1] the host I am intending on using does have the minimum required
512MB but it's in use at the moment

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Re: [Soekris] net4801 boot issues

2010-07-26 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 07:11:36PM +1000, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
|I have an older net4801 board (around 2 years old now) to which I've
|added a 250GB drive - this shows up as a 134GB drive on the host which
|is annoying, but not a big problem ...
|
|What is annoying is that I seem to only be able to successfully boot
|the host now and again - I was able to boot the host a few times to
|configure it then not again since ... I seem to recall this being a
|problem with these boards, but I can't remember the fix.

I haven't managed to get any further with this - I did collect a dump
from the comBIOS boot:

|maja[~] 1v>: tip ttyU0
|connected
|
|POST: 012345689bcefghipsajklnopqr,,,tvwxy
:
:
|comBIOS ver. 1.33  20080103  Copyright (C) 2000-2007 Soekris Engineering.
|
|net4801
|
|0256 Mbyte MemoryCPU Geode SC1100 267 Mhz
|
|Pri Mas  WDC WD2500BEVE-00WZT0   LBA Xlt 1024-255-63  134 Gbyte
|
|Slot   Vend Dev  ClassRev Cmd  Stat CL LT HT  Base1Base2   Int
|---
|0:00:0 1078 0001 0600 0107 0280 00 00 00  
|0:06:0 100B 0020 0200 0107 0290 00 3F 00 E101 A000 10
|0:07:0 100B 0020 0200 0107 0290 00 3F 00 E201 A0001000 10
|0:08:0 100B 0020 0200 0107 0290 00 3F 00 E301 A0002000 10
|0:18:2 100B 0502 01018001 0005 0280 00 00 00  
|0:19:0 0E11 A0F8 0C031008 0117 0280 08 38 00 A0003000  11
| 
| 1 Seconds to automatic boot.   Press Ctrl-P for entering Monitor.
|
|No Boot device available, enter monitor.
|
|
|comBIOS Monitor.   Press ? for help.
|
|> show
|
|ConSpeed = 9600
|ConLock = Enabled
|ConMute = Disabled
|BIOSentry = Enabled
|PCIROMS = Enabled
|PXEBoot = Enabled
|FLASH = Primary
|BootDelay = 5
|FastBoot = Disabled
|BootPartition = Disabled
|BootDrive = 80 FF 81 F0 
|ShowPCI = Enabled
|Reset = Hard
|CpuSpeed = Default

To my mind this looks all good - the Soekris website lists 1.33 as being
the latest comBIOS version for the net4801, so no upgrade possibility
there ...

What should I try next? I'd prefer to boot from the HDD, but I might
have a CF card around that came with the unit originally that I could
use if I had to ...

Regards,
Malcolm

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[Soekris] net4801 boot issues

2010-07-11 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I have an older net4801 board (around 2 years old now) to which I've
added a 250GB drive - this shows up as a 134GB drive on the host which
is annoying, but not a big problem ...

I installed a copy of NetBSD 5.0.2 with the drive attached to my laptop,
then connected it to the net4801 ...

What is annoying is that I seem to only be able to successfully boot
the host now and again - I was able to boot the host a few times to
configure it then not again since ... I seem to recall this being a
problem with these boards, but I can't remember the fix.

The comBIOS appears to be at version 1.33 - which is the current version
that would work with this board?

Regards,
Malcolm

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Re: [Soekris] Would a net5501 reliably host a web site?

2010-06-23 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I already do this with lighttpd on a net5501 which is also running as a
NetBSD firewall and it works fine ... not sure whether Apache might be
too heavyweight, but for me lighttpd for static pages and simple CGI
it's not a problem ... 

I'm on the downstream end of a reasonable ADSL link and so far no
reliability issues that I've noticed ... thankfully our power hasn't had
dropouts, nor have I had HDD issues, but that would be the expected
faults, I'd imagine.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:25 -0700, "Ed Flecko"  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'd like your opinion.
> 
> I'm thinking of buying a net5501, installing a SATA drive, and using
> Apache on FreeBSD for use on my home LAN. I might even install Squid,
> but maybe all this would be too much for this device?
> 
> For just my personal web site, do you think the performance of the
> net5501 would be acceptable? Would I have any reliability issues that
> I might need to consider?
> 
> Comments? Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [Soekris] PXE boot ...

2009-10-31 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:19:39AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
|In message <20091031101515.gn3...@mjch.net>, Malcolm Herbert writes:
|>Can someone point me at the PXE boot process for the Soekris 4801?  
|>
|>I have a host which has an internal PATA drive that I can't get to  
|>netboot in order to reinstall the it ... always insists on booting
|>the internal hard-drive ...
|
|At the bios prompt, type "boot f0"

ta ...

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[Soekris] PXE boot ...

2009-10-31 Thread Malcolm Herbert
Can someone point me at the PXE boot process for the Soekris 4801?  

I have a host which has an internal PATA drive that I can't get to  
netboot in order to reinstall the it ... always insists on booting
the internal hard-drive ...

Regards,
Malcolm

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Re: [Soekris] Unacceptable network speeds on net 4521

2008-12-17 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I haven't read the thread backstory to know exactly what is going on
here, but are you using your host as an PPP end point?

I am using my net4801 with OpenBSD as the endpoint of a PPPoE tunnel -
performance was terrible when I was using the userspace PPPoE and PPP
but improved out of sight when I switched to the in-kernel PPP and PPPoE
devices

When running the userspace pppd the CPU didn't appear to be particularly
loaded and the host gave no indication where the problem might be ...
the host had been simply flat out doing context switches between user
and kernel spaces ... 

Regards,
Malcolm


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[Soekris] net4801 ppp throughput?

2008-10-29 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I'm using a net4801 running OpenBSD 4.0 for a PPPoE link rather than
my ADSL2+ modem. I am now using the modem in bridge mode as the port
forwarding code in the firmware is rather lacking in features and I'm
quite familiar with pf under OpenBSD as I've used it elsewhere ...

When using the modem as the PPPoE originator my line appeared to support
around 150KB/s sustained, however now that I am using the 4801 for PPPoE
this has dropped to at best 30KB/s, but sustained of around 22KB/s

I can't see that this could be limited by the hardware as ppp consumes
only around 3% of CPU time. The pppoe process appears to be consuming
less than 1% ... the host also does mail, squid and antivirus duties ...

Oddly, when I run ppp with the interactive shell I find that there is a
mention of the connection speed as being 115200B/s, even though in my
configuration the speed has been set to 'async' ... as far as I know
this is the appropriate setting for using ppp with the pppoe process ...

What sort of throughput do others see in this configuration?

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Re: [Soekris] Longevity of a USB flash memory stick?

2008-09-02 Thread Malcolm Herbert

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:26:36 -0700, "David Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I'm thinking of replacing my bulky home server with a 5501.  I already
> have one I use for my firewall.  In an attempt to minimize heat and
> noise I'd rather avoid using an internal HD, especially since I keep
> reading about them overheating and/or dying early inside the case.
> I'm thinking of an internal CF card for the OS and programs and a USB
> memory stick for data.  I can get away with a 16GB flash stick for my
> needs.

I have a 4801 with an internal 80GB HDD which I use as a firewall (and
run torrent clients) and a 5501 with a internal and external 250GB disks
as a mirror which I uses as a server and have had no issues with either
overheating or noise ... I've had the 80GB drive in the 4801 for about
two years and the pair of 250GB drives since January this year - both
systems are up 24x7 and apart from some initial USB speed issues with
the 5501 I've not had problems since ...

Regards,
Malcolm

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Re: [Soekris] CF devices as swap?

2008-03-04 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:48AM +0200, Jussi Peltola wrote:
|On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:36:37PM +1100, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
|> I've recently re-discovered the CF disk that came with my net4801 and
|> was wondering what use it would be as a swap device ... I'm aware of
|> the fact that CF media doesn't last indefinately, but I'd be interested
|> in hearing whether others had tried this and how long it lasted before
|> giving problems ... 
|> 
|> unfortunately swap problems are generally fatal, so I may just decide
|> to stick with swap on the attached HDD ... 
|
|I have been using an MMC for swap in a Nokia 770 for almost two years
|without trouble, and the N810 I got yesterday has an internal SD card
|with swap. I think it is fine unless you thrash the swap constantly,
|which will be awfully slow anyway.

... would it be quicker than the internal hdd I already have?

HTS548080M9AT00 (Hitachi 80GB TravelStar 2.5-Inch 5400RPM)

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[Soekris] CF devices as swap?

2008-03-03 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I've recently re-discovered the CF disk that came with my net4801 and
was wondering what use it would be as a swap device ... I'm aware of
the fact that CF media doesn't last indefinately, but I'd be interested
in hearing whether others had tried this and how long it lasted before
giving problems ... 

unfortunately swap problems are generally fatal, so I may just decide
to stick with swap on the attached HDD ... 

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Re: [Soekris] NET5501 Power Control

2008-02-29 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:04:21AM -0600, David Dudley wrote:
|Also, when I boot NetBSD on my NE5501, all works fine on the first boot
|since power applied, but if I try to do a warm boot (or a Soekris "Cold
|Boot" either), the system hangs when it attempts to startup the Ethernet
|interfaces.  Is there a problem in restarting 'warmly'?

Interesting - I'm not having issues with a stock NetBSD 4.0 kernel ... which 
version are you using?

I was having issues getting it to warm boot at all but a bios flash update
to 1.32i (iirc) fixed that issue for me ... 

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Re: [Soekris] net5501 + video card?

2008-02-28 Thread Malcolm Herbert
According to the denizens of the netbsd-users list, the effect that I'm
seeing is due to the fact that the vga(4) driver under NetBSD actually
uses the ISA registers for VGA cards, which are apparently mapped[1] to
their PCI equivalents in most PCI-capable host boards, but not the
Soekris for some reason.  I'm not a hardware geek so can't really
confirm this, but it may also explain why other hardware is recognised
but refuses to function if access to the hardware is via legacy ISA
registers.

I have found that there is a frame-buffer driver for this card for
NetBSD and will see how I go getting a frame-buffer console running with
that ...

Regards,
Malcolm

[1] how this is done, I'm not sure, but see: 

http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2008/02/28/msg000308.html
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2008/02/28/msg000304.html
(beginning of thread)

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Re: [Soekris] net5501 + video card?

2008-02-28 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:54:16 +, "The Fungi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>said:
> Well, *finding* a low-power, 3.3V-only, 32-bit, PCI video card could
> be a bit of challenge. There have been some list posts in the past
> about using Soekris boards with USB video devices, however, which
> could be a much easier solution.

... does it need to be 3.3v only?  I found a 32-bit 3.3v/5.0v card which
I've put in and it doesn't seem to have smoked the net5501 at all ...
the NetBSD 4.0 GENERIC recognises it but can't drive it, so that's
hopeful at least ... 

For the record, the card is labelled as an ATI, which the kernel thinks
is:

ATI Technologies Radeon 7000/VE QY (VGA display) at pci0 dev 14 function
0 not configured

although why NetBSD GENERIC doesn't include support for this I don't
know ...



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Re: [Soekris] net5501 + video card?

2008-02-27 Thread Malcolm Herbert

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:54:16 +, "The Fungi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>said:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:25:01PM +1100, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
> > Hadn't thought that would be a big issue, but then I didn't tell
> > you that I am only looking for basic text mode or at most 800x600
> > vga modes as there really isn't a lot of memory on the host and
> > I'd be unlikely to want to run X11 or (gasp) a web browser on it
> [...]
> 
> Well, *finding* a low-power, 3.3V-only, 32-bit, PCI video card could
> be a bit of challenge. There have been some list posts in the past
> about using Soekris boards with USB video devices, however, which
> could be a much easier solution.

ah ... yes, that could be an issue ... 

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Re: [Soekris] net5501 + video card?

2008-02-27 Thread Malcolm Herbert

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:03:17 -0500, "Bob Camp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I suspect you would have to be careful about power consumption. That's  
> both in terms of the onboard power supply and in terms of heating up  
> the box.

Hadn't thought that would be a big issue, but then I didn't tell you
that I am only looking for basic text mode or at most 800x600 vga modes
as there really isn't a lot of memory on the host and I'd be unlikely to
want to run X11 or (gasp) a web browser on it ... :)

I was concerned that there may be negative interactions with the comBIOS
or some other memory/IO style conflicts which would cause issues ...
I've recently decommissioned a PC which used to run the services that
this net5501 now handles, but I've now lost a handy console in the
machine room and was wondering whether the unused PCI slot could be used
for this purpose or whether I should get my dead Wyse 50 terminal
running again (which may cost a lot to fix)

Regards,
Malcolm

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[Soekris] net5501 + video card?

2008-02-27 Thread Malcolm Herbert
Has anyone tried running a net5501 with a video card in the PCI slot? 
I've had a small search around about this but haven't seen anything
particularly concrete as to whether it would work or not ... 

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Re: [Soekris] net5501 USB port speed?

2008-01-21 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 08:20:12PM -0500, Jared D. McNeill wrote:
|This should be fine, so long as your USB hard disk is attaching to uhub1 
|and not uhub0.

yeah - that's effectively what netbsd-users told me too ... 

|I see about 12MB/s read times from an external USB 2.0 disk using LFS on 
|NetBSD 4.99.22. What are you using to test?

NetBSD-4.0 and what I thought was a USB2.0 external caddy ... unfortunately
it isn't attached to the host at the moment in order to test it further,
but will do so when I get home and let you know what I find ...

Thanks for the help,
Malcolm

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Re: [Soekris] net5501 USB port speed?

2008-01-21 Thread Malcolm Herbert
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:59:41AM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
|Malcolm Herbert wrote:
|> I'm wondering about the usual speed of the net5501 USB port, as I seem
|> to get no better than about 700KB/s to an attached external disk.
|
|That sounds really close to what you'd expect from usb1, about 5.6Mb/s...

that was my thinking, yes ... 

|I'll connect one up to my soekris and see what I get.

thanks for that ... it may also be that the driver I have for USB doesn't
recognise the chipset as being USB2-capable ... NetBSD-4.0 dmesg says:

|ohci0 at pci0 dev 21 function 0: Advanced Micro Devices CS5536 OHCI USB 
Controller (rev. 0x02)
|ohci0: interrupting at irq 15
|ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
|usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
|uhub0 at usb0
|uhub0: Advanced Micro OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
|uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
|ehci0 at pci0 dev 21 function 1: Advanced Micro Devices CS5536 EHCI USB 
Controller (rev. 0x02)
|ehci0: interrupting at irq 15
|ehci0: EHCI version 1.0
|ehci0: companion controller, 4 ports each: ohci0
|usb1 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
|uhub1 at usb1
|uhub1: Advanced Micro Devices EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1
|uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered

These two lines seem to be the culprit:

|ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
|usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0

... so, I wonder if I'd get a better response from using the internal USB port 
or
somehow the driver binding is ohci first then ehci ... 

|> I haven't yet worked out where the bottleneck is, but a 250GB RAID
|> mirror is expected to take 4 days to sync, which seems to be a little 
|> too long to me ... it also seems to pound the CPU pretty hard when
|> I do any sustained USB traffic ... 
|
|So there's two disks in an external enclosure and one is being copied to
|the other?

no, one internal 2.5in 250GB PATA disk and one external USB disk in an enclosure
which has gotten good reports from the vendor, hence my surprise at the 
performance

I'll ask around on the netbsd-users list to see if I can either suppress ohci or
reorder their binding and see if that makes a difference ...

Regards,
Malcolm

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[Soekris] net5501 USB port speed?

2008-01-20 Thread Malcolm Herbert
I'm wondering about the usual speed of the net5501 USB port, as I seem
to get no better than about 700KB/s to an attached external disk.

I haven't yet worked out where the bottleneck is, but a 250GB RAID
mirror is expected to take 4 days to sync, which seems to be a little 
too long to me ... it also seems to pound the CPU pretty hard when
I do any sustained USB traffic ... 

Has anyone else seen this transfer rate from their net5501?  Is it 
just a case of a crappy USB "2" disk caddy?

If the USB port isn't really useable for external disks, what options
would I have to get some sort of mounting bracket for a second disk
inside the box - presumably a SATA 2.5in disk of the same type?

Regards,
Malcolm

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