Re: [Soekris] Death of a soekris

2011-09-13 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:25:36AM +0200, Wim Vandeputte Mailing list only 
wrote:
> and if you have the board now without the console attached, if you put
> power to the external power connector, it does no longer light up?

Dead as a doorknob with or without serial coord.

> can you try with a different power supply?

Will do, this one was fairly cheap, but has been doing nicely for 3-4 
years.

> http://soekris.kd85.com/images/aam/tn/dsc07152.jpg.html
> 
> with a 12 V power supply, it will go over the same voltage
> regulation that might be broken.

Aha, thought so.

> You can circumvent it by using different pins on the JP10 where you
> give it directly the 5 Volts it needs. Can't hurt to try...

When all else fails, I'll give that a go.

Regards,
Pontus
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[Soekris] Death of a soekris

2011-09-12 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Hi all

So it has happened :( My Soekris net5501 bit the dust yesterday. I 
attached a DB9 connector from my vt320 while the system was running and 
*blipp* all lights on the soekris went out.

I've done this many times before without problems, perhaps I was lucky 
then or unlucky now :/ What do you think ?

So, my walwart seems alright and provides 12V. An measuring between + 
and ground on the soekris board gives 10 or so volts.

I think it is possible to feed the soekris on the JP10 header, would 
this make any difference? or is it the same wires as the external 
connector?

Kind Regards,
Pontus
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Re: [Soekris] Avoiding inadvertent PXE boot

2011-05-13 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 08:12:14AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> there is no manual for the 5501 and the 4801 manual is outdated, but there
> is some documentation that soekris customers have written themselves in
> http://wiki.soekris.info/What_do_all_those_BIOS_settings_do? which explains
> this setting.

The questionmark didn't work for me, this did:

http://wiki.soekris.info/What_do_all_those_BIOS_settings_do%3F

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Re: [Soekris] New Soekris?

2009-01-28 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:54:10AM +, Adam Retter wrote:
> Atom?

The only choice for x86 I think. An ARM is probably nicer, but probably 
supports less Operating Systems out of the box. There seems to be an 
OpenBSD port so I'd be satisfied.

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> 
> 
> 2009/1/28 Lars Noodén :
> > Sargun Dhillon wrote:
> >> ...They aren't going to release any new Geode processors. Does
> >> Soekris have a roadmap for new devices over the next 3 years? ...
> >
> > ARM ?
> >
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Re: [Soekris] 5501-70 intermittantly fails to start with constant error light

2008-06-03 Thread Pontus Pihlgren

>
>
> So far have tried the boxes with 2 different power supplies (1.2A 12V
> regulated switch-mode and 2.5A 12V regulated switch-mode) and 2
> different serial consoles (cu and goSerial2). Also tried shorting pins
> at jp9 but that doesnt seems to have any effect other than causing
> goSerial2 (the serial console) to disconnect.


The soekris apparently can handle 5V to 25V, so you shouldn't be having
problems with low voltage, but perhaps you could try a different voltage
PSU. A quick search in the archives shows that people have managed to
fry their soekris with 24V psu, so perhaps you should not go to high.

Just my two cents, YMMV.

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Re: [Soekris] SATA bust due to lack of QA (COM2 too)

2008-03-13 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
John Cox skrev:
> Hi all
>
> I now know why my SATA didn't work. U40 (a small chip near the SATA
> bridge) was misplaced by 1 pin.  Moving it back to its correct position
> on the board fixed the problem. (I can happily have CF primary and SATA
> secondary.)
>
> U22 which I'm guessing is the COM2 driver chip was also misplaced by a
> pin.  I had this cut out as we had no safe way of desoldering it, I have
> no particular need for COM2 and it seemed unsafe to leave it in circuit
> as it was.
>
> I have a picture of the chips before this was done which clearly shows
> the problem & I will send it to whoever wants it but at 139k I didn't
> think the list would appreciate it.  These functions were clearly
> untested as they can never have worked - Soekris needs to improve its
> testing before dispatch.  Can I claim some sort of refund? (say the cost
> of postage x2 from the UK to Soekris which is what it would have cost
> them if I'd returned it for repair)
>   

Its good that you share this kind of information, but perhaps your last
question is best sent directly to soekris? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or even
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,
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Re: [Soekris] Can find CF but can't find SATA

2008-03-12 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
John Cox skrev:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the suggestion - I tried it and the flash turned up as "Pri
> Sla" but the HD remained unseeable both by the BIOS and OpenBSD.  Does
> anyone know if the BIOS can't see a drive then does it set the hardware
> in such a way that OpenBSD can't see it either or is drive detection
> done independantly by both?
>
> I have also tried removing the CF.  Still no HD.
>
> I have also tried downgrading to BIOS 1.32i just in case it helped but
> it didn't (now back to 1.33)
>
> So... any further clues - where do I go from here?  I don't have a spare
> SATA HD to try through I may be able to scrounge one, nor do I have a
> spare PATA drive - though likewise I might be able to scrounge one in a
> bit.
>
> Ta
>
> JC
>   

Are you running with CF, PATA and SATA at the same time? That is not 
allowed, but then you should have seen both PATA and SATA when you 
removed the CF (with correct settings, which I can't remember what they 
are of the top of my head)

Regards,
Pontus.

>   
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Try to set the flash card as secondary then reboot :
>>
>> set flash=secondary
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John Cox a écrit :
>> 
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Just received my 5501-70.  It comes with BIOS 1.33 and (unlike many
>>> others on this list) has no problems at all seeing and booting off the
>>> 8G Sandisk Extreme III CF card I fitted.  However it refuses point-blank
>>> to see the WD 320G SATA HD I fitted.  It doesn't appear on the device
>>> listing at the beginning and is marked "ignored (disabled)" when OpenBSD
>>> has a go.  I mangled the supplied SATA lead when removing it from the
>>> mounting kit so I'm using a random SATA lead that I had lying around.  I
>>> can see the drive and it appears to work if I plug the SATA lead into my
>>> PC (leaving it powered by the 5501) so its not the power, lead or the
>>> drive.  Is there something you have to set to get the 5501 to look at
>>> the SATA? (I want it to boot from the CF like it does at the moment but
>>> to have the HD for bulk storage.)
>>>
>>> Any clues?  I enclose a boot log in case it helps.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> John Cox
>>>
>>>
>>> Drive is a Western Digital 320GB Scorpio 5400RPM S150 8MB 2.5" 
>>> mfr#: WD3200BEVT
>>>
>>> Boot log (some control chars removed):
>>>
>>>
>>> POST: 012345689bcefghips1234ajklnopqr,,,tvwxy
>>>
>>> comBIOS ver. 1.33  20070103  Copyright (C) 2000-2007 Soekris
>>> Engineering.
>>>
>>> net5501
>>>
>>>  CPU Geode LX 500 Mhz 
>>>  Mbyte Memory
>>> 0512
>>>
>>> Pri Mas  SanDisk SDCFX3-8192 LBA Xlt 996-255-63  8003 Mbyte
>>>
>>> Slot   Vend Dev  ClassRev Cmd  Stat CL LT HT  Base1Base2   Int 
>>> ---
>>> 0:01:2 1022 2082 1010 0006 0220 08 00 00 A000  10
>>> 0:06:0 1106 3053 0296 0117 0210 08 40 00 E101 A0004000 11
>>> 0:07:0 1106 3053 0296 0117 0210 08 40 00 E201 A0004100 05
>>> 0:08:0 1106 3053 0296 0117 0210 08 40 00 E301 A0004200 09
>>> 0:09:0 1106 3053 0296 0117 0210 08 40 00 E401 A0004300 12
>>> 0:14:0 8086 1074 0205 0117 8230 08 40 00 A002 A014 10
>>> 0:20:0 1022 2090 06010003 0009 02A0 08 40 80 6001 6101 
>>> 0:20:2 1022 209A 01018001 0005 02A0 08 00 00   
>>> 0:21:0 1022 2094 0C031002 0006 0230 08 00 80 A01E  15
>>> 0:21:1 1022 2095 0C032002 0006 0230 08 00 00 A01E1000  15
>>>
>>>Seconds to automatic boot.   Press Ctrl-P for entering Monitor.
>>> Using drive 0, partition 3.
>>> Loading...
>>> probing: pc0 com0 com1 pci mem[639K 511M a20=on] 
>>>
>>> disk: hd0+
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
> OpenBSD/i386 BOOT 3.01
>   
>   
>>> com0: 9600 baud
>>>
>>> switching console to com0
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
> OpenBSD/i386 BOOT 3.01
>   
>   
>>> boot> 
>>>
>>> booting hd0a:/bsd: 5913424|[52+306864+287943]=0x72a4d4
>>>
>>> entry point at 0x200120ªÿ
>>>
>>> [ using 595232 bytes of bsd ELF symbol table ]
>>>
>>> Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
>>>
>>> The Regents of the University of California.  All rights
>>> reserved.
>>>
>>> Copyright (c) 1995-2008 OpenBSD. All rights reserved.
>>> http://www.OpenBSD.org
>>>
>>>
>>> OpenBSD 4.3 (GENERIC) #696: Thu Mar  6 05:09:01 MST 2008
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
>>>
>>> cpu0: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS ("AuthenticAMD"
>>> 586-class) 500 MHz
>>>
>>> cpu0: FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,PGE,CMOV,CFLUSH,MMX
>>>
>>> real mem  = 536440832 (511MB)
>>>
>>> avail mem = 510664704 (487MB)
>>>
>>> mainbus0 at root
>>>
>>> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 20/70/03, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfac40
>>>
>>> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.0 @ 0xf/0x1
>>>
>>> pcibios0: pcibios_get_intr_routing - function not supported
>>>
>>> pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing information unavailable.
>>>
>>> pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus
>>>
>>> bios0: ROM list: 0xc8000/0xa800
>>>
>>

Re: [Soekris] Memory issue

2008-02-25 Thread Pontus Pihlgren

voip crazy skrev:
> Dear list,
>
> I know soekris 5501 has 512 RAM Mbs. Could I plug any other memory 
> module on any soekris slot?
Sorry, no, the memory is soldered on to the board.
> I saw a slot like a memory slot in the board, but i do not know if I 
> can plug memory on it.
Perhaps it was the mini-pci which looks sort of a memory slot of a 
portable computer.
>
> Which kind of memory should I use?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> VoipCrazy.
> 
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Re: [Soekris] 5501 under Debian can not see harddisk 5K160

2008-02-14 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
I think its a misconception on Otfrieds part. You can use the CF and the 
Harddrive at the same time. However you cannot use the IDE connector, 
SATA connector and CF at the same time, it is two out of three if I 
recall correctly. There was a thread about it, but I can't locate it.

Regards,
Pontus.

MikaelArhelger skrev:
> How does that make sense?
> I want to boot linux from CF card and store data on hdd: That makes sense,
> does it not?
>
> Mikael
>
>
> Otfried Geffert-2 wrote:
>   
>> I remember: you can either use one or the other.
>>
>> Either you use the harddisk and do not "see"the CF card
>> or vice versa. I think that is a hardware issue - the board
>> is designed that way.
>>
>> Otfried
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mikael Arhelger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:07 PM
>> Subject: [Soekris] 5501 under Debian can not see harddisk 5K160
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Got my first 5501 and booting Debian from 2GB Kingston CF card.
>>> Can do fidsk -l to see only /dev/hdb but not the harddisk; a Hitachi
>>> 5K160 ATA 40GB.
>>>
>>> A sync command will make the yellow LED brighter for a short time
>>> (split second).
>>>
>>> Any idea?  Bios can not see or ...
>>>
>>> Any pointer appreciated.
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Re: [Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Bent skrev:
> For what it is worth, here is a measurement done on a 5501 running Gentoo 
> Linux:
>
> leopold ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hda
>
> /dev/hda:
>  Timing cached reads:   390 MB in  2.01 seconds = 194.14 MB/sec
>  Timing buffered disk reads:   34 MB in  3.14 seconds =  10.82 MB/sec
> leopold ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hdb
>
> /dev/hdb:
>  Timing cached reads:   388 MB in  2.00 seconds = 194.03 MB/sec
>  Timing buffered disk reads:   72 MB in  3.05 seconds =  23.60 MB/sec
> leopold ~ #
>
> hda is a 8 GB SanDisk Ultra II. It is spec'ed to 10 MB/s on the package.
>   
That is certainly encouraging. Anyone who has a card marked 20 MB/s that 
could do the same?
> hdb is a 80 GB Seagate SATA disk.
>
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Re: [Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Stuart Henderson skrev:


>> Also, how would I identify a card with multi-sector IO.
>> 
>
> You can tell by looking at dmesg -
>
> wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 1: 
> wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 991MB, 2030112 sectors
>
> wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: 
> wd0: 4-sector PIO, LBA, 1953MB, 4001760 sectors
>
> I've only seen dmesg with SanDisk (lots, I think all the modern
> cards), Lexar (1), and something unidentifiable (1) with 4-sector,
> everything else I've seen is 1-sector.
Is there any way other than buying the card an testing it? (I was 
thinking of going for SanDisks Ultra or Extreme cards, sounds like I 
would be pretty confident that they have 4-sector io)

Thanks,
Pontus.
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Re: [Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Trevor Talbot skrev:
> On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Iustin Pop wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 11:28:51PM +0100, Pontus wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>>> Oh, that sounds a bit discouraging. Isn't CF just a variant of the IDE
>>> bus, and should therefore be able to reach speeds of 33 - 133 MB/s
>>> depending on the controller. I realize that a caveat in the OpenBSD
>>> driver could slow things down, but all the way to 2MB/s ? I'm not 
>>> saying
>>> you are wrong, I'm just surprised. Have you done some benchmarks?
>>>   
>> FWIW, on a 5501 with DMA enabled and on Linux, using a SanDisk
>> SDCFX3-2048 (and indeed multi-sector):
>>
>> # dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/null bs=128k iflag=direct
>> 377+1 records in
>> 377+1 records out
>> 49512960 bytes (50 MB) copied, 6.80798 seconds, 7.3 MB/s
>> 
>
> Flash is not very fast in general. Spinning disks are much faster at 
> sequential reads.
>
> The performance gain you always hear about with flash is actually the 
> random access speed, because solid-state media doesn't have seek times.
>   
(I'm sort of straying away from the original discussion now, tell me if 
I should mark this OT)

I've always thought that do be a bit odd, not that seek times are 
better, but that it speeds has to be slower just because it is flash. I 
understand that one single flash chip will have its speed limitation, 
but by grouping multiple chips together and reading from them in 
parallel(like a raid-0), that should give a big boost in performance.

I guess that is what's done in the fusion-io card:
http://www.fusionio.com/

(a little less droid speak: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34065/135/)

It is a bit pricey, to say the least, but fast.

/Pontus.
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Re: [Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Joel Jaeggli skrev:
> Trevor Talbot wrote:
>   
>> On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Iustin Pop wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 11:28:51PM +0100, Pontus wrote:
>>>   
 Oh, that sounds a bit discouraging. Isn't CF just a variant of the IDE
 bus, and should therefore be able to reach speeds of 33 - 133 MB/s
 depending on the controller. I realize that a caveat in the OpenBSD
 driver could slow things down, but all the way to 2MB/s ? I'm not 
 saying
 you are wrong, I'm just surprised. Have you done some benchmarks?
 
>>> FWIW, on a 5501 with DMA enabled and on Linux, using a SanDisk
>>> SDCFX3-2048 (and indeed multi-sector):
>>>
>>> # dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/null bs=128k iflag=direct
>>> 377+1 records in
>>> 377+1 records out
>>> 49512960 bytes (50 MB) copied, 6.80798 seconds, 7.3 MB/s
>>>   
>> Flash is not very fast in general. Spinning disks are much faster at 
>> sequential reads.
>>
>> The performance gain you always hear about with flash is actually the 
>> random access speed, because solid-state media doesn't have seek times.
>> 
>
> You can buy CF cards with SLC flash memory that have read/write speeds
> on the order of 33-40MB/s they do ata-66 and they're actually not that
> expensive. The indutrial samples I received thus far are a bit slower
> than the fastest consumer flash models the fastest (consumer) one
> I've stuck in a soekris is this one:
>
> http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=148&LangNo=0
>
> sata ssds that are even faster are possible but command a substantial
> price premium...
>
>   
This is what confuses me, the benchmarks and general experience of 
posters in this thread says that I should not expect very high speeds 
(which is fine, I'm don't need my router to boot blazingly fast). But 
the numbers given by the manufacturers are, on the cheap end, a few MB/s 
and, on the more expensive end, up to 45 MB/s. Are these peak speeds? 
Outright lies, or are they mixing bits and bytes?

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Re: [Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-17 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Wim Vandeputte - Mailinglists only skrev:
> hey,
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 03:51:49PM +0100, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
>   
>> Now it's time to choose a CF card. I'm considering either 2 GB or 4 GB. 
>> I'll try to run vanilla OpenBSD, so I expect at least 1 GB to be 
>> necessary for the base install. What are your experience? Is it nice to 
>> have the extra headroom the 4GB gives?
>> 
>
> OpenBSD will just fit on 512 MB, including the compiler and docs.
> But that is just a bit too small when you do a recompile (due to files kept
> open by running processes). 
>
> 1 GB is just fine
>
> Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/wd1a  394M   37.9M336M10%/
> /dev/wd1h  349M   46.0K331M 0%/home
> /dev/wd1d 1008M448M510M47%/usr
> /dev/wd1e  508M9.5M473M 2%/var
> mfs:32145  9.5M   10.0K9.5M 0%/tmp
>
> You can keep
>
> /dev/wd1g 1009M2.0K958M 0%/usr/obj
> /dev/wd1f  690M630M   25.4M96%/usr/src
>
> on a cheaper USB memory stick (even keep the compiler on there if you are
> paranoid)
>
> If you want a full /usr/src and /usr/obj, you can get away with 2 GB
> but only if you have a custom /etc/mk.conf where you disable the DEBUG
> that bloats the libs
>
>   
>> Also, how important is speed? I think a read speed of 20 MB/s is quite 
>> sufficient, no?
>> 
>
> Speed is the least of my worries, you boot a system only once and usually
> you don't really care much about reads (perhaps more the writes).
>
> I prefer industrial grade CF with wear leveling algorithms but they are
> more expensive than consumer grade CF.
>   
Sounds like I should go for a slower 4GB for the extra headroom. Or, if 
I compile what I need on another machine, I could do with 2GB (even less).

Wear leveling would be nice, but it looks like it might be cheaper to 
make backups and buy a new card in case of failure.

Regards,
Pontus
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[Soekris] Choosing Compact flash (Was: Memory upgrade)

2007-12-17 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Hi All!

Thanks to everyone who answered in the "Memory upgrade" thread. I ended 
up going for the net5501-60, your answers and a bit of counting showed 
that 256MB probably is quite enough.

Now it's time to choose a CF card. I'm considering either 2 GB or 4 GB. 
I'll try to run vanilla OpenBSD, so I expect at least 1 GB to be 
necessary for the base install. What are your experience? Is it nice to 
have the extra headroom the 4GB gives?

Also, how important is speed? I think a read speed of 20 MB/s is quite 
sufficient, no?

Thanks,
Pontus.
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Re: [Soekris] Memory upgrade

2007-12-14 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Farid Hajji skrev:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:31 +0100
> Pontus Pihlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi All.
>>
>> This is my first post to the list. I hope I'm not asking something 
>> already answered.
>>
>> I'm planning on buying a net5501 as Christmas gift for myself. I just 
>> can't decide whether I should go for the net5501-60 or the
>> net5501-70. I think the processor is good enough in both versions for
>> my purposes. But I'm not sure 256 MB of memory will be enough. I'm
>> planning to run it as an access point and as a file server. Probably
>> also bit torrent, maybe a small web server and as tftp server for net
>> booting other machines.
>>
>> What is your experience, is 256 enough. Is it difficult to upgrade 
>> later? I'm not very handy with the soldering iron and I guess finding 
>> the memory chips might not be trivial.
>> 
>
> I'm using FreeBSD (6.3-PRE) on a net4801 (128 MB) running as
> a ppp router with pf. Servers are lighttpd for many domains,
> (Apache is too memory hungry), postfix, cyrus-imap, dhcpd, nfsd,
> named, ntpd. There's still enough memory for a couple more (I've
> used ctorrent on it too without problems, though I prefer to run
> mldonkey on an internal machine and just relay torrent traffic
> from and to it with pf).
>
> So if 128 MB are good enough for this, 256 MB would be more than
> comfortable... unless you plan to run memory hungry stuff.
>   
Thank you for you answer. I think I'll do some more research into the 
applications I intend to run. I was thinking of some database too, but 
maybe thats pushing the machine a bit to much.

I guess sqlite would work fine, but I think it is a bit to lightweight.


> Regards,
> -Farid.
>   

Regards,
Pontus.
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[Soekris] Memory upgrade

2007-12-13 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Hi All.

This is my first post to the list. I hope I'm not asking something 
already answered.

I'm planning on buying a net5501 as Christmas gift for myself. I just 
can't decide whether I should go for the net5501-60 or the net5501-70. I 
think the processor is good enough in both versions for my purposes. But 
I'm not sure 256 MB of memory will be enough. I'm planning to run it as 
an access point and as a file server. Probably also bit torrent, maybe a 
small web server and as tftp server for net booting other machines.

What is your experience, is 256 enough. Is it difficult to upgrade 
later? I'm not very handy with the soldering iron and I guess finding 
the memory chips might not be trivial.

Kind
Regards,
Pontus.
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