Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
FBX export/import in After Effects would be brilliant. Especially if they'd allow you to export the AE's new camera tracker. It's surprisingly good/fast. I've seen the Send to LW feature for AE and it works very well (including with tracker data), except it seems you have to export each item/layer individually. -Paul On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea Tim. I'm submitting that request to Adobe now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Tim Leydecker bauero...@gmx.de wrote: How about asking Adobe to support *.fbx? They already support reading *.ma files for cameras, lights and nulls. An upgrade to a filtered support of *.fbx, e.g. only the camera, nulls and lights or maybe even any kind of (plotted/baked) keyframe data (you can always plot/bake SRT animation to a light if everything else fails) might be an interesting I/O asset to have for Adobe? If they could even write the data out in *.fbx, that might be something, too. Many Flame seats still have an AE/C4D assistant seat, where camera/tracking/roto is done and Flame speaks *.fbx, so does nuke and nukex brings an assistant soon... Cheers, tim On 20.03.2013 22:06, Rob Chapman wrote: hang on a minute... thats a bullet point... months of work, minimum! On 20 March 2013 22:01, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is that it would not take much effort at all for AD to add minimal export functions to export camera and nulls to AE. We don't need the kitchen sink, just a reliable camera and some nulls.
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
I managed to send AE tracking datas (Camera, nulls) to SI via collada format. Le 21/03/2013 15:02, Paul Griswold a écrit : FBX export/import in After Effects would be brilliant. Especially if they'd allow you to export the AE's new camera tracker. It's surprisingly good/fast. I've seen the Send to LW feature for AE and it works very well (including with tracker data), except it seems you have to export each item/layer individually. -Paul On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com mailto:byronn...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea Tim. I'm submitting that request to Adobe now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Tim Leydecker bauero...@gmx.de mailto:bauero...@gmx.de wrote: How about asking Adobe to support *.fbx? They already support reading *.ma files for cameras, lights and nulls. An upgrade to a filtered support of *.fbx, e.g. only the camera, nulls and lights or maybe even any kind of (plotted/baked) keyframe data (you can always plot/bake SRT animation to a light if everything else fails) might be an interesting I/O asset to have for Adobe? If they could even write the data out in *.fbx, that might be something, too. Many Flame seats still have an AE/C4D assistant seat, where camera/tracking/roto is done and Flame speaks *.fbx, so does nuke and nukex brings an assistant soon... Cheers, tim On 20.03.2013 22:06, Rob Chapman wrote: hang on a minute... thats a bullet point... months of work, minimum! On 20 March 2013 22:01, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com mailto:byronn...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is that it would not take much effort at all for AD to add minimal export functions to export camera and nulls to AE. We don't need the kitchen sink, just a reliable camera and some nulls.
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
I think the point is that it would not take much effort at all for AD to add minimal export functions to export camera and nulls to AE. We don't need the kitchen sink, just a reliable camera and some nulls. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Have you seen C4D's integration though? It is by far one of their strongest points, and unlikely to be beaten anytime soon. It's only natural though, they made a huge impact in the motion graphics market, and that's a core feature for them that sees both time invested in dev and a lot of user feedback and interest. But yeah, you should have a look :) It has a very extensive I/O for scene elements, names, edl-like entry points, timeline, passes and settings. I don't think AD will ever have the reason to, or the userbase rolling things around, Maxon does in those regards. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
hang on a minute... thats a bullet point... months of work, minimum! On 20 March 2013 22:01, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is that it would not take much effort at all for AD to add minimal export functions to export camera and nulls to AE. We don't need the kitchen sink, just a reliable camera and some nulls.
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
Well, it's been a while since I've seen the state of C4D-AE's integration, but the last time I checked, when you exported passes from C4D to AE you get a complete comp with everything already layered for you. AD has also added similar features to Max and touts it as a selling point. Lightwave now has a send to After Effects function as well as a plug-in for sending layers back to LW from AE. Essentially these packages allow you to round-trip your work fairly easily. So, while they work do together, I wouldn't say Softimage is in the same league as the competition. Adobe's partnership with Maxon will just deepen the connection. -Paul On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
There is also the FX Tree, if you just want to automate your pass compositions. From Softimage top menu (View, Compositing,Fx Tree ) then just select your passes and Ops to customize your composite. I just started using After Effects before there was FX Tree. I sometimes forget that FX Tree is not too bad for compositing. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Well, it's been a while since I've seen the state of C4D-AE's integration, but the last time I checked, when you exported passes from C4D to AE you get a complete comp with everything already layered for you. AD has also added similar features to Max and touts it as a selling point. Lightwave now has a send to After Effects function as well as a plug-in for sending layers back to LW from AE. Essentially these packages allow you to round-trip your work fairly easily. So, while they work do together, I wouldn't say Softimage is in the same league as the competition. Adobe's partnership with Maxon will just deepen the connection. -Paul On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
it is usually rarely about passes, but about sending camera animation and object references via nulls to after effects. last time i tried to do it (and i have done it LOADS before) i wasted a whole day on it, since i had some weird case where i had a moving camera and an object that was parented to a null or something similiar. i had to take the whole scene and hierarchy apart, and also change order of rotation in order for it to FINALLY work. on top of that the import into AE is some old user written script, that kind of bombs on you after about 500 frames since it just eats up memory. i you have a camera AND a null, its 250 frames. and so on and on. i know i will get loads of replys á la oh but you can just write it yourself and so on, but some of us dont have this luxury, and when you are pressed for time the last thing you want to do is to figure something out which should have been in the software FROM THE START, not to mention now more than 5 years down the road. i mean we are talking about after effects, not so weird niche program only a handful of people are using. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: There is also the FX Tree, if you just want to automate your pass compositions. From Softimage top menu (View, Compositing,Fx Tree ) then just select your passes and Ops to customize your composite. I just started using After Effects before there was FX Tree. I sometimes forget that FX Tree is not too bad for compositing. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Well, it's been a while since I've seen the state of C4D-AE's integration, but the last time I checked, when you exported passes from C4D to AE you get a complete comp with everything already layered for you. AD has also added similar features to Max and touts it as a selling point. Lightwave now has a send to After Effects function as well as a plug-in for sending layers back to LW from AE. Essentially these packages allow you to round-trip your work fairly easily. So, while they work do together, I wouldn't say Softimage is in the same league as the competition. Adobe's partnership with Maxon will just deepen the connection. -Paul On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
it is usually rarely about passes editing myself, of course it is ALSO about passes, but considering motion graphics which is quite a big field where after effects is so widely used, thats where you usually need it, and where something like that would be QUITE handy. i had a job a while ago where i was supposed to deliver some 3d elements where they would add text and so on in AE, and they were so used to getting all the data straight out of cinema with a single click while i was actually struggling to make it work.
Re: Adobe Maxon join forces
Have you seen C4D's integration though? It is by far one of their strongest points, and unlikely to be beaten anytime soon. It's only natural though, they made a huge impact in the motion graphics market, and that's a core feature for them that sees both time invested in dev and a lot of user feedback and interest. But yeah, you should have a look :) It has a very extensive I/O for scene elements, names, edl-like entry points, timeline, passes and settings. I don't think AD will ever have the reason to, or the userbase rolling things around, Maxon does in those regards. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: I have been using Softimage/XSI with After Effects for over 20 years and find them to be quite compatible. What do you want to work better? Maybe I can help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I really wish Softimage worked better with After Effects. http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/03/and-now-for-something-slightly-different-ae-and-cinema-4d.html#comments -Paul -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
