Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
You should contact Autodesk directly if you are serious about it. Which I doubt or you wouldn't be asking here. I'm not sure what are the Autodesk policy for this kind of business discussions but obviously asking in a public mailing list is just a waste of bandwidth and time. Martin On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Chris Covelli ch...@polygonpusherinc.comwrote: Well, I doubt anyone here is seriously asking for an AD executive to come on this list and start haggling with us over very large sums of money on a public forum, thats absurd. But Im sure some people ( who may not be overly business savvy ) would want to know where to begin inquiring about it. Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Modelshttp://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon-Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it should/could not happen publicly. On 03/09/14 0:57, Maurice Patel wrote: @Chris. Autodesk cannot and will not answer such questions publicly. And if you are asking this you really have not researched the matter, which is why I doubt it is anything other than maybe wishful thinking. It is one thing to engage in wishful thinking with the community just don't expect anyone from Autodesk to engage in the discussion. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Covelli Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:43 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? @Maurice, I cant speak to Emilio or Daniel's seriousness about this question,( although I wouldn't doubt their sincerity right out of the gate either ), but how would someone inquire about this? Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Modelshttp://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon- Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher
Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Yes, and without speculating on the likelihood, it at least demonstrated the *openness to the idea*, which in itself can should absolutely be passed around. On 03/09/14 15:39, Martin Yara wrote: You should contact Autodesk directly if you are serious about it. Which I doubt or you wouldn't be asking here. I'm not sure what are the Autodesk policy for this kind of business discussions but obviously asking in a public mailing list is just a waste of bandwidth and time. Martin
The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. *Autodesk, what is your price?*
Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Does anyone have a guesstimate of how many Softimage users there are? 4000? On 3/8/2014 8:47 PM, Daniel G wrote: Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. *Autodesk, what is your price?*
Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Curious proposition, if I could contribute in some way, I will. But I like the proposition. From: Daniel G Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 22:47 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. Autodesk, what is your price?
Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Yes Autodesk, tell us what is your price? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-08 22:44 GMT-06:00 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com: Curious proposition, if I could contribute in some way, I will. But I like the proposition. *From:* Daniel G simpletang...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 8, 2014 22:47 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. *Autodesk, what is your price?*
RE: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Hi Emilio, If you are even remotely serious about this, which it appears not, this is not the right way to even begin going about having such a discussion so don't expect any answer to the question here from Autodesk. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? Yes Autodesk, tell us what is your price? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-08 22:44 GMT-06:00 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.commailto:drais...@outlook.com: Curious proposition, if I could contribute in some way, I will. But I like the proposition. From: Daniel Gmailto:simpletang...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 22:47 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. Autodesk, what is your price? attachment: winmail.dat
Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
Hey Maurice, you never know. Maybe I am being serious about it. To whom I may address to first see if you are interested in selling Softimage? Thank you. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
@Maurice, I cant speak to Emilio or Daniel's seriousness about this question,( although I wouldn't doubt their sincerity right out of the gate either ), but how would someone inquire about this? Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Modelshttp://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon-Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.comwrote: Hi Emilio, If you are even remotely serious about this, which it appears not, this is not the right way to even begin going about having such a discussion so don't expect any answer to the question here from Autodesk. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? Yes Autodesk, tell us what is your price? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-08 22:44 GMT-06:00 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.commailto: drais...@outlook.com: Curious proposition, if I could contribute in some way, I will. But I like the proposition. From: Daniel Gmailto:simpletang...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 22:47 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. Autodesk, what is your price?
Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
(phone number) On 03/09/14 0:42, Chris Covelli wrote: @Maurice, I cant speak to Emilio or Daniel's seriousness about this question,( although I wouldn't doubt their sincerity right out of the gate either ), but how would someone inquire about this? Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Models http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon-Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Hi Emilio, If you are even remotely serious about this, which it appears not, this is not the right way to even begin going about having such a discussion so don't expect any answer to the question here from Autodesk. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? Yes Autodesk, tell us what is your price? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-08 22:44 GMT-06:00 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com mailto:drais...@outlook.commailto:drais...@outlook.com mailto:drais...@outlook.com: Curious proposition, if I could contribute in some way, I will. But I like the proposition. From: Daniel Gmailto:simpletang...@gmail.com mailto:simpletang...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 22:47 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Everyone has a price. Can we all agree that if somebody offered Autodesk $100 million, they would sell Softimage in a heartbeat? Their shareholders would demand it. Okay. So somewhere between zero and $100 million is the real, magic number. We have only to get somebody at Autodesk to put it in writing -- or somehow appeal to the shareholders directly. The network of people and studios who are very upset about this is already significant, and they have the collective ability to put together and disseminate perhaps the most polished crowdfunding campaign the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that not only would existing customers contribute, but also many champions of open source and lovers of computer graphics would help to expose SI's source code to the light of day -- the kind of money you couldn't get ahold of by trying to raise money the conventional way, for a conventional company. For those who've already given up: at some point we (as a culture, as a species) have to move beyond raw, unthinking capitalism. Far from an isolated casualty, this is yet another example where humans reflexively decide they have no power in the face of an impersonal corporation. It is simply not right for a company to take possession of something loved by so many only to bury it in the ground, for no other reason than PROFIT. It's all just bits on a hard drive, and there's no reason it can't be out in the wild helping people to create beautiful things. The fact that so many are just rolling over and giving up, as if this is perfectly acceptable behavior for a company in the year 2014, is the real tragedy here. And for anybody who maintains that Autodesk would never part with SI due to patents -- Google has already set a precedent for this: https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/pledge/ . Autodesk could similarly pledge not to enforce its Softimage-related patents so long as nobody tries to re-commercialize anything deriving from the source code. Win-win. Autodesk, what is your price?
RE: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
@Chris. Autodesk cannot and will not answer such questions publicly. And if you are asking this you really have not researched the matter, which is why I doubt it is anything other than maybe wishful thinking. It is one thing to engage in wishful thinking with the community just don't expect anyone from Autodesk to engage in the discussion. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Covelli Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:43 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? @Maurice, I cant speak to Emilio or Daniel's seriousness about this question,( although I wouldn't doubt their sincerity right out of the gate either ), but how would someone inquire about this? Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Modelshttp://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon-Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher attachment: winmail.dat
Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price?
I agree that it should/could not happen publicly. On 03/09/14 0:57, Maurice Patel wrote: @Chris. Autodesk cannot and will not answer such questions publicly. And if you are asking this you really have not researched the matter, which is why I doubt it is anything other than maybe wishful thinking. It is one thing to engage in wishful thinking with the community just don't expect anyone from Autodesk to engage in the discussion. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Covelli Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:43 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Re: The one question I have not seen asked: Autodesk, what's your price? @Maurice, I cant speak to Emilio or Daniel's seriousness about this question,( although I wouldn't doubt their sincerity right out of the gate either ), but how would someone inquire about this? Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ http://exocortex.com/products/species TurboSquid Modelshttp://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/Polygon-Pusher?referral=Polygon-Pusher
