Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
Well, my hope was that SUSE would gradually take over the Spacewalk project as Red Hat fades out of it and become more involved across all the communities that leverage Spacewalk. I might even be so lucky as to see @suse.de / @suse.com email addresses in changelog entries for clients for Fedora/CentOS packages in Fedora and EPEL. :) On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Brian Long wrote: > Considering Spacewalk is the upstream for Red Hat Satellite 5.x and Satellite 5 is end-of-life within a year, I'm not sure this move by SUSE is a surprise. > https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3128641 > I wonder how much longer Red Hat will provide engineering time focused on Spacewalk 2.8+ when Satellite 6 is their future. Spacewalk may become solely a community-supported open-source project in the near future depending on how much time Red Hat employees are allowed to continue working on it. I'm not looking forward to that day, to be honest, because my team relies on Spacewalk heavily and if it falls into decay, we'll have to look elsewhere. > /Brian/ > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Nikos Zaharioudakis wrote: >> Hi list >> Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as well >> https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19 >> Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar >> The video presentation is interesting as well >> Best, >> Nikos >> On May 28, 2018 17:19, "Luca Menegus" wrote: >> Hi Neal, >>thank you for sharing this. >> - Original Message - >> > From: "Neal Gompa" >> > To: spacewalk-l...@redhat.com, spacewalk-devel@redhat.com >> > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:36:35 PM >> > Subject: [Spacewalk-devel] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?! >> > >> > Something is seriously wrong here. >> > >> > Today, I woke up to the news that SUSE forked Spacewalk[0] into Uyuni[1] >> > (which frankly, is a hard name to say...). The explicit reason they gave >> > for this was that despite requests to the community to step up to take over >> > the Spacewalk project, the current Spacewalk leadership refused SUSE's >> > offer to lead the community. >> > >> > To me, something sounds fishy about this, because I've historically known >> > Red Hat folks to be very much community-first, so if Red Hat as a company >> > was no longer interested in Satellite 5/Spacewalk, transitioning it to >> > someone else who was interested in it should have been easy. However, the >> > evidence they gave was pretty compelling[2]. At the same time, I have no >> > means of verifying whether or not what SUSE is saying is true. >> > >> > As a Spacewalk user, I'm incredibly disappointed that the leadership >> > managed to successfully drive away an interested party. At my scale (tens >> > of servers), Spacewalk serves my needs perfectly. >> We also relay on Spacewalk to manage our (CentOS) hosts. >> > >> > However, for those who think that Uyuni will be any better, my past >> > experience with most SUSE teams has not been pleasant. They're usually not >> > the most responsive group with their open source projects (KIWI[3] >> > excepted). It's not a good sign that the SUSE Manager project development >> > didn't already exist as an open branch to begin with. >> > >> > A splinter in the small development community around Spacewalk sucks, and >> > the cursory glance at Uyuni seems to indicate that things are pretty broken >> > for non-SUSE distributions. >> That would be a serious problem for us. From your findings it appears that we would need to choose between security fixes only or something where RH derivatives distro like CentOS would probably be second class citizen. >> > >> > What is it going to take to heal this divide so that Uyuni goes away and >> > the SUSE folks are part of the Spacewalk community? >> > >> > Please, I beg of you guys, fix this, please! >> Yes please! >> At least some clear statement from Spacewalk maintainers and/or developers would be much appreciated. >> Regards, >>Luca Menegus >> > >> > [0]: >> > https://news.opensuse.org/2018/05/26/uyuni-forking-spacewalk-with-salt-and-containers/ >> > [1]: https://www.uyuni-project.org >> > [2]: >> > https://github.com/spacewalkproject/spacewalkproject.github.io/commit/24535d079f091c2f2a23a6ff6defafe9cf134577 >> > [3]: https://github.com/SUSE/kiwi >> > >> > -- >> > 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! >> ___ >> Spacewalk-list mailing list >> spacewalk-l...@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-list >> ___ >> Spacewalk-list mailing list >> spacewalk-l...@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-list > ___ > Spacewalk-list mailing list > spacewalk-l...@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-list -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___
Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:23 AM Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH < f...@ratiokontakt.de> wrote: > Am 28.05.2018 um 16:30 schrieb Nikos Zaharioudakis: > > Hi list > > > > Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as well > > > > https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19 > > > > Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar > > > > The video presentation is interesting as well > > > It would be awesome to have "proper Spacewalk support for Ubuntu/Debian". > But is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel? (Set aside that SuSE > people, traditionally sitting on their hands, are probably not *mumble*) > I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people > taking proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in a > "works for me" kind of manner. > Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of > Spacewalk at the time of me writing this. > I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb > Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases. > Would 80% of the pepole really need MORE? > Heck, maybe I'll even do the packages myself in the next days or have my > colleagues do it It's something I'm working on now, since $DAYJOB is looking to use it to manage Ubuntu workstations. -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel
Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:41 AM Andrei Popenta wrote: > Proper support for debian/ubuntu would be awesome, indeed! > and of course, an improved way of receiving errata information, other than email lists :) I can't fix the errata issue. Debian and Ubuntu don't offer something like the rpm-md updateinfo data that specifically lays that out in a nice way to import. But at least we have a way to process it. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel
Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
STOP sending these mail please Regards / Cordialement, Carpe Diem Serge Lorion Synchrone pour Michelin CBS/CORP/SI/IN/DAP Tel 33 47330 4394 ou 44394 ou 934 4394 -Message d'origine- De : spacewalk-devel-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:spacewalk-devel-boun...@redhat.com] De la part de Neal Gompa Envoyé : mardi 29 mai 2018 14:43 À : spacewalk-l...@redhat.com Cc : spacewalk-devel@redhat.com Objet : Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?! On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:41 AM Andrei Popenta wrote: > Proper support for debian/ubuntu would be awesome, indeed! > and of course, an improved way of receiving errata information, other than email lists :) I can't fix the errata issue. Debian and Ubuntu don't offer something like the rpm-md updateinfo data that specifically lays that out in a nice way to import. But at least we have a way to process it. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel __ This email is being filtered with a new and better anti-spam solution. During the tuning phase, this solution may temporarily let some marketing emails pass through. __ ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel
Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
Am 29. Mai 2018 14:23:37 MESZ schrieb Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH : >Am 28.05.2018 um 16:30 schrieb Nikos Zaharioudakis: >> Hi list >> >> Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as >well >> >> https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19 >> >> Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar >> >> The video presentation is interesting as well >> > >It would be awesome to have "proper Spacewalk support for >Ubuntu/Debian". > >But is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel? (Set aside that SuSE >people, traditionally sitting on their hands, are probably not >*mumble*) > > >I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people >taking proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in >a >"works for me" kind of manner. >Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of >Spacewalk at the time of me writing this. > >I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb >Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases. > >Would 80% of the pepole really need MORE? > >Heck, maybe I'll even do the packages myself in the next days or have >my >colleagues do it > > >-- >Für weitergehende Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. > >Mit partnerschaftlichen Grüßen > >Florian Panzer >Chief Technical Officer > >AWS Certified Solutions Architect - Associate > >ratiokontakt GmbH >Biegenhofstr. 13 >96103 Hallstadt >Telefon: +49 (0) 951 9 35 35 - 0 >Telefax: +49 (0) 951 9 35 35 - 902 >Internet: www.ratiokontakt.de >Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nils Kaufmann, Stefan Kraft >Amtsgericht Bamberg - HRB 3757 > >ratiokontakt ist zertifiziert nach DIN ISO/IEC 27001 > >___ >Spacewalk-list mailing list >spacewalk-l...@redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-list To import errata information for Ubuntu and Debian, see my or @phils repo at https://github.com/rpasche/spacewalk-scripts or https://github.com/philicious/spacewalk-scripts Robert -- sent from my mobile device ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel
Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
* Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH [May 29. 2018 14:25]: > > I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people taking > proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in a "works for > me" kind of manner. > Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of Spacewalk > at the time of me writing this. > > I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb > Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases. Florian, the Uyuni community more than welcomes your effort. Please join us at #uyuni on irc.freenode.net to help us making Debian and Ubuntu a fully supported client. Klaus -- SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) ___ Spacewalk-devel mailing list Spacewalk-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/spacewalk-devel