Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Theo Van Dinter writes: >On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:26:46AM -0500, Jack Gostl wrote: >> I sometimes wonder if the whole system wouldn't be smaller and stabler if >> it were entirely Bayes based. > >Well, sure it would be. But frankly, if you want Bayes only, there >are several other projects out there to look at... SpamBayes, CRM114, >etc, etc. > >Bayes works fairly well on its own, assuming decent learning, until >spammers start attacking the algorithm or the code. Then it kind of >falls on its face until the attack is countered. > >The idea of SA is to use multiple detection systems such that even if >one or two don't work, the message will still probably be caught from >the others. BTW I've attempted to come up with ways to use Bayes as the core in the past, without much luck; the current mechanism gives the highest degree of accuracy in my tests. - --j. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh CVS iD8DBQFAAumxQTcbUG5Y7woRAj64AJ0ROK7JL3eLTrqb4q4ek7XayRqPyQCgi9wu hFcrnT9VDbl6h8bPA8bCR6I= =nXgD -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:26:46AM -0500, Jack Gostl wrote: > I sometimes wonder if the whole system wouldn't be smaller and stabler if > it were entirely Bayes based. Well, sure it would be. But frankly, if you want Bayes only, there are several other projects out there to look at... SpamBayes, CRM114, etc, etc. Bayes works fairly well on its own, assuming decent learning, until spammers start attacking the algorithm or the code. Then it kind of falls on its face until the attack is countered. The idea of SA is to use multiple detection systems such that even if one or two don't work, the message will still probably be caught from the others. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Remember, the difference between God and the DBA is that God doesn't think he's a DBA ;)" - Richard Basile pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
> > Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug through my spam > corpus and found > > 8 so far this month and just sent them off. We'll see what happens. > > I agree on reporting them. But it should be obvious in the > short term, if > these things become annoying, just set the score for the > habeas rule to 0. And until the issue is resolved that's where it will stay ;-) Alan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > > Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug through my spam corpus and found > > > 8 so far this month and just sent them off. We'll see what happens. > > > > I agree on reporting them. But it should be obvious in the short term, if > > these things become annoying, just set the score for the habeas rule to 0. > > > > - Charles > > I just sent my copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it bounced. I personally > think it was a REALLY bad idea to include these jokers in the scoring. I'll be honest guys, for Unix users who set up a good training schedule, you could almost run on Bayes alone. The RBLs are nice, but i have a half dozen spams a week slip through because of spamc/spamd timeouts, which I'd bet are RBL related. I sometimes wonder if the whole system wouldn't be smaller and stabler if it were entirely Bayes based. BUT I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! DO NOT FEEL UNAPPRECIATED!! -- Jack Gostl [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:20:42AM -0500, Gerry Doris wrote: > I just sent my copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it bounced. I personally > think it was a REALLY bad idea to include these jokers in the scoring. That's because it's habeas (note the "a", not a "u"). -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Photons have mass? I didn't know they were Catholic!" - Unknown pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Charles Gregory wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug through my spam corpus and found > > 8 so far this month and just sent them off. We'll see what happens. > > I agree on reporting them. But it should be obvious in the short term, if > these things become annoying, just set the score for the habeas rule to 0. > > - Charles I just sent my copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it bounced. I personally think it was a REALLY bad idea to include these jokers in the scoring. -- Gerry "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne" Chaucer --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
Re: [WL] Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug through my spam corpus and found > 8 so far this month and just sent them off. We'll see what happens. I agree on reporting them. But it should be obvious in the short term, if these things become annoying, just set the score for the habeas rule to 0. - Charles --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
