Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses
Hans Holger Rutz, I have seriously read Rasa's article. In Latvia, the BIB growth from 2005-2018 (with the exception of 2008-2010) was always higher than the EU average, often up to 400%. (Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettland#wirtschaftsdaten). This is a very large difference between factual situation and what was written here in the discussion. You are welcome to research other discrepancies yourself. I was in Riga in 2003 at the RIXC conference - it took place in a very desolate looking school building. About 10 years later I was again in Riga: Rixc conference took place in the building of the business school - well equipped with best infrastructure etc. - no difference to a German university. In 2003, as a result of a democratic decision, the Russian minority (approx. 25% of the population) was the uderdogs. In front of people who talked in Russian was spit out on the open street. Russian language people were not served in bars. In 2013 the situation was a little more relaxed; However, democratic development in Latvia is to remove the Russian language completely from schools, which necessarily has to lead to moods in the Russian administration, regardless of whether there is a Putin, a Jelzin or a Gorbachoff. To get to the point: In addition to the dichotomy outlined by Rasa, I stand on the third side. These are those people who suffer from war, these are those people in front of which are spit out for no reason, these are those people who die from hunger because the Ukrainian grain deliveries are absent, and these are the people who end up in prison because they make use of freedom of speech. To claim to have read the "wrong" books also belongs here in the arsenal of propaganda. And as a result of that third side you have to analyze, under which condition the war in Ukraine can end. I am not on the side of the aggressors, but also not on the side of those who make false decisions using a democratic majority. And at the end: I think little of art projects that make war in Ukraine on the subject of aesthetically charged activities. Best Christoph Hanns Holger Rutz schrieb: Frankly Christoph, I don't think you have absorbed anything that had been written in that very long statement. The whole situation reminds me very much of the coup in Venezuela when Maduro took over after the death of Chavez. Exactly the same "there is only shades of gray, but Chomsky, but America, but bla". There are moments in life when you can make very clear decisions on which side to stand. This doesn't imply at all, that you cannot criticise anyone "on your side". We don't need to be fanboys of USA to take a clear position in this war. But I'm repeating what Rasa already wrote, so I don't know if it makes sense to try to come to any common sense here. As a person that grew up in Western Germany, for the first time I understood that I might be wrong on judging things that I have not personally experienced, was getting to know people, friends, who had tried to flee the GDR or be non-conformant in the GDR, and who ended up in GDR prison and were damaged for life. Best, .h.h. On 18/07/2022 09.51, christoph theiler wrote: Rasa wrote: "In this situation there are only clear two sides - Either Supporting Ukraine or Being Pro -Tutin" I cannot agree with this friend/enemy logic: "If you are not my friend, then you are my enemy". It has already been said here that in addition to Ukraine and Russia, America also plays an important role in this conflict. Best Christoph Rasa Smite schrieb: __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses
Rasa wrote: "In this situation there are only clear two sides - Either Supporting Ukraine or Being Pro -Tutin" I cannot agree with this friend/enemy logic: "If you are not my friend, then you are my enemy". It has already been said here that in addition to Ukraine and Russia, America also plays an important role in this conflict. Best Christoph Rasa Smite schrieb: Hello Eleonore wrote: "My anecdote was in response to Rasa, to highlight that there are multiple perspectives and modalities for cultural appropriation (and rejection)". With this war, we have landed in the situation, where its not anymore that easy to play with "multiple perspectives and modalities" before the ground is not clear and stable enough, before we are not on the same page.. I wrote already, in this situation there are only clearly two sides - either supporting Ukraine or being pro-Putin, there doesn't exist democratic "multiple perspectives and modalities" in this case as we don't deal with democratic country... And your anecdote just shows that there are many misleading ideas around.. this is what I wrote in my reply to Heath: the problem is that most of the marxist-communist-thinking people in the West (who have read bit too much of French and Russian philosophy or literature) today have to revise their theories, notions and realise finally they have been following the wrong dreams (nightmares, trust me...). So it's now your turn, dear people living in UK, and other wealthy Western countries, to put some effort in changing your thinking, your perspectives, and before joining the funny May day parades, and reading 100 years old authors (who have no clue how the communism works in real life), or listen 92 years old capitalism critics (such as Chomsky) please re-think twice before you write something that naive as comparing America's Disney's land "propaganda" with Russia's aggressive invasion targeting civilians, killing children, raping women in Ukraine, which is happening there everyday. So why not, please do so - change your way of thinking, finally! Please be so empathetic that you at least pretend to do so - for a sake of Ukraine's disaster... We, people here in Eastern Europe are used to switch our perspectives constantly, we have done it so many times that we now even cannot answer a simple question: "and how is your tradition (e.g. in Latvia) with the education, for example?" I am sorry, there is no such thing as "our way or our tradition!" we have been listening for almost 30 years British experts, we have learned from the most amazing Finnish school experience, and we have adapted exams from German "abitur", we have been trying hard, and still are one of the most poor countries in EU, BUT - I wouldn't call it "colonising", and never ever would even think of going back to anything similar that was once called "the Soviet Union" - NB! btw- there never was such a thing as USSR, it was just an extended Russia'n Empire with unfairly and aggressively occupied neighbouring countries before and during WW2, who were forced to believe that Russians have "saved and freed us" and that "they brought the real culture" (making us feel lesser), but they didn't succeed, nobody inside of USSR believed in this bullshit... Just sadly I never realized that the communist propaganda was so effective beyond the USSR border, that some people in West and otehr parts of the world truly believed that USSR may be a better alternative to Western capitalism... But talking about the "Soviet times", there was even big difference between Ryszard's and mine childhood, because Ryszard lived in Poland, but I lived in Soviet Latvia, which was a part of USSR, and this was such a big difference that for some time I even didn't realize that Poland, Yugoslavia, Chechoslovakia etc. belonged to the so called "soviet" block, because for us at USSR (with completely cut any information or culture coming from the West) - even Poland seemed like beautiful and shiny country "abroad", where everything was much more better then in soviet uni. When I went to the school in 1970s, I had to participate in special military parade competitions every year couple of times; we were singing the hymn of Russia and the hymn of USSR, and when we won the competition in the school level - then we participated in the national level..., and singing all these songs (in Russian), marching, and shouting loud how much we love Lenin... while at the same time, we all - everybody of us: starting from the 1st grade children to the director of the school knew that all this are the lies, the total bullshit, but we were not allowed to question anything of that, we just did it, as we had to. And if you ever asked something or initiated anything (because all things around which I saw in my childhood were so wrong, so dirty, so terrible, and grey...), you were shut up quickly as you gradually realized that nothing ever
Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses
Is Ukraine the Ukrainian population?If Ukraine (or the Ukrainian population) wants to continue fighting, I am the last to comment on it. They will pay a blood roll of around 100-200 deaths a day. And that over the next 1-2 years. With or without weapons from the West. I don't think the war can be won for Ukraine, in the sense that the Russians are thrown out of the Krim and from the Donbass.You, Ryszard have to understand that Ukraine not only suffers from Putin's criminal regim, but is dependent on the same extent of America and its willingness to deliver weapons or willingness to talk.with Putin. Christoph Ryszard Kluszczyński schrieb: Christoph, you should rather not speak on behalf of Ukraine, it’s quite ridiculous. You even misspell the name of the Ukrainian region you talk about. We, citizens of the countries in this part of Europe, too often heard voices like yours saying what we should do for our own sake. In the situation when Finland is part of NATO treaty, the eventual membership of Ukraine is not significant anymore. The war is not about this. And has never been. And this is not we to end the war. Ukraine wants to do it but the conditions must be defined by them, not “us”. Our countries and we - and you too - just have to help Ukrainiens to get to the situation when they could negotiate the peace with Russia. They need just weapons to get to this point not good advices. Ukraine is an independent country. Do you remember? And Ukrainiens have the right to decide what is good for them. Take care Ryszard …... Prof. Ryszard W. Kluszczynski, PhD. Chair of Department of New Media and Digital Culture University of Lodz 171/173 Pomorska Street 90-236 Lodz Poland tel +426655133 On 17 Jul 2022, at 12:28, christoph theiler wrote: Without the Americans there will be no peace in Ukraine. It may be that the Russian administration lies, you can hardly trust them etc., but the American administration is not lying, it refuses to speak to the Russians since Obama. Obama also managed to humiliate the Russians as a "provincial state". Biden is not better here either. The last American president who spoke to Putin was the "much hated" Trump. The Russians can not agree to NATO membership of Ukraine, just as the Americans cannot agree with Russian weapons in Cuba or the connection of the Solomon Islands to China. So there is at least 3 parties beyond a moral classification in this conflict: the American, the Ukrainian and the Russian. The European side is too negligible here, because this is forced to fully integrate the American wishes. In the discussion, it is dishonest to ask now: "On which side are you?", Or to interture the subintellectual calculation: "Do you really want the Russians to kill even more children?" This is not a level. The only question that needs to be solved is: "How and under what conditions do we end the war. Or: How and under what objectives or consequences should the war continue?" There are really two sides here now. I personally am for a quick war ending; The conditions that Ukraine would have to bear here in my opinion would be the constant loss of the Krim, a transition status of the Dombas, permanent neutrality of Ukraine. Anyone who chooses the other option accepts that Ukraine is fighting until it is bled. Then there is also peace. This war could take 1-2 years. Christoph wechselstrom Rasa Smite schrieb: heath I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of "jumbled thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough but I don't get your point, may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war in Ukraine started) there are basically only two sides - either you support Ukraine's fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you accept that Putin's Russia can go on and take the dominance, continuing to use their worst and most cynical war methods against civilians in Ukraine - now, and later in other countries.. (they will never stop, as they never have enough - not only many experts say so, but also my personal experience - of living my first 20 years in my life in Russia's occupied Latvia). there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we deal with, it's based on lies, it always was, and these lies are very different ones than those in your 'bad' capitalist countries, because they are really dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and chauvinistic, they make other nations they occupy lesser than them, and make other world to believe their 'cultures' are bigger and better, while our (other Eastern European, and former occupied countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were used to call us "rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was, many of my best friends are Russians. can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves
Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses
Without the Americans there will be no peace in Ukraine. It may be that the Russian administration lies, you can hardly trust them etc., but the American administration is not lying, it refuses to speak to the Russians since Obama. Obama also managed to humiliate the Russians as a "provincial state". Biden is not better here either. The last American president who spoke to Putin was the "much hated" Trump. The Russians can not agree to NATO membership of Ukraine, just as the Americans cannot agree with Russian weapons in Cuba or the connection of the Solomon Islands to China. So there is at least 3 parties beyond a moral classification in this conflict: the American, the Ukrainian and the Russian. The European side is too negligible here, because this is forced to fully integrate the American wishes. In the discussion, it is dishonest to ask now: "On which side are you?", Or to interture the subintellectual calculation: "Do you really want the Russians to kill even more children?" This is not a level. The only question that needs to be solved is: "How and under what conditions do we end the war. Or: How and under what objectives or consequences should the war continue?" There are really two sides here now. I personally am for a quick war ending; The conditions that Ukraine would have to bear here in my opinion would be the constant loss of the Krim, a transition status of the Dombas, permanent neutrality of Ukraine. Anyone who chooses the other option accepts that Ukraine is fighting until it is bled. Then there is also peace. This war could take 1-2 years. Christoph wechselstrom Rasa Smite schrieb: heath I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of "jumbled thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough but I don't get your point, may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war in Ukraine started) there are basically only two sides - either you support Ukraine's fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you accept that Putin's Russia can go on and take the dominance, continuing to use their worst and most cynical war methods against civilians in Ukraine - now, and later in other countries.. (they will never stop, as they never have enough - not only many experts say so, but also my personal experience - of living my first 20 years in my life in Russia's occupied Latvia). there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we deal with, it's based on lies, it always was, and these lies are very different ones than those in your 'bad' capitalist countries, because they are really dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and chauvinistic, they make other nations they occupy lesser than them, and make other world to believe their 'cultures' are bigger and better, while our (other Eastern European, and former occupied countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were used to call us "rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was, many of my best friends are Russians. > can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ? of course not! the 'nice' Western people already for too long have accepted Russia's Kremlin propaganda and their hybrid media wars as in Baltics, never taking too seriously, and again calling us Rusophobes, Western countries were always shutting us up when our governments gave the serious warnings in various (especially recent ones) European meetings. so either you listen bit more carefully what the other nations who have been under long occupation think of the war in Ukraine and Russia as country, or you can try yourself to visit Russia and try to figure out what the 140 million people there really think.. or, move to Latvia, if you really want to understand and personally experience how does it feel to live just 200 km from the border of the big threatening country, who already occupied us once. it is here very different feeling to be here - as Latvia (which is rather poor country) is hosting 40 000 refugees from Ukraine, where my friends are delivering jeep cars privately to the Ukraine to help them (while other pacifistic Western European countries deny or delay their military support), and we do this because at least 30% by official statistics believe that we will be next... (sooner or later). so any, even the most tiniest expression or sign of a help or support such as an art residency or writing activist project, supporting Ukrainian position is worth it, because it is a simply a humanistic act, so much needed, as their hearts and lives are broken no matter if they have escaped, but they are aware of that in their country Russian militarists continue to kill and rape... so while pacifism has long way to be achieved, there are humans and their lives that need any support or a sign of any solidarity now... any critical skepticism towards those who do something is the least needed. Jaanis
[spectre] Fluid Control Doku
To all fans of electronic music, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXqSyG9qCAE every one who held it got wet eyes. whoever saw it never forgot it On air: 24.03.2012, 23.03-23.59h Ö1 - Kunstradio best wechselstrom http://www.wechsel-strom.net/kunstradio.html __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
[spectre] wellen vom untergrund - sa, 6.okt., 19:30h - galerie wechselstrom
=+== we invite you wellen vom untergrund liquid control - world premiere elecronic performance with wechselstrom (aka renate pittroff christoph theiler) sa, 6.okt.12, 19:30h galerie wechselstrom grundsteingasse 44 1160 wien +++*+ anlässlich der finissage von musao - museum auf abwegen ottakring + __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
[spectre] Peter Rosei - Do, 4. Okt. 2012, 20:30h, BIB - Buch im beisl-Cafe CI , Yppenplatz, Wien
=== einladung === B I B eröffnung der herbstsaison donnerstag, 4. oktober, 20:30h buch im beisl-cafe CI yppenplatz, 1160 wien +++ peter rosei reise ohne ende +++ die ersten jahre sind vorbereitung auf ein 40-jähriges schaffen. der abend bietet die höhepunkte dieser zeit und vielleicht auch.. peter rosei liest aus seinen büchern aus den letzten 40 jahren. __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
[spectre] wer ist dafür zuständig ?
will die Ernsthaftigkeit parlamentarischer Arbeit keinesfalls in Zweifel ziehen, aber folgende 5 Anfragen zur gleichen Kunstaktion gehen ein wenig zu weit: Gesundheitsministerium: http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/DE/XXIV/J/J_00911/imfname_150023.pdf Kunstministerium 1: http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/DE/XXIV/J/J_00912/imfname_150022.pdf Landwirtschaftsministerium: http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/DE/XXIV/J/J_00989/imfname_150294.pdf Kunstministerium 2: http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/DE/XXIV/J/J_00990/imfname_150293.pdf Justizministerium: http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/DE/XXIV/J/J_01142/imfname_151530.pdf am 1. April 09, 00:05 Uhr auf Deutschlandradio-Kultur das Feature zum Thema Live-Stream unter: http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/feature/918112/ christoph - wechselstrom - __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
[spectre] Kompositionen gesucht - Österreich bekommt ein Piefkedenkmal
KOMPOSITIONEN gesucht – CALL for COMPOSITIONS Gesucht: Kompositionen für Oboe, Flügelhorn (B) und Glockenspiel (und/oder kleine Trommel – 1 Musiker/in) Dauer: zwischen 30 Sekunden und 2 Minuten Einsendeschluss: 30. Juni 2009 Aufführung: 09.09.09 in Gänserndorf bei Wien Einsendungen mit Partitur und Einzelstimmen sowie einem kurzen künstlerischen Lebenslauf und Name, Adresse, Telefonnummer, e-mail, Web (falls vorhanden) an: wechselstrom c/o Christoph Theiler Grundsteingasse 44/1/5 A-1160 Wien Austria e-mail: christoph(at)wechsel-strom.net web: www.piefkedenkmal.at Österreich bekommt ein Piefkedenkmal! Am 9. Sept. 2009 wird in Gänserndorf bei Wien das weltweit erste und einzige Piefkedenkmal anlässlich des 194. Geburtstages des Komponisten aufgestellt und feierlich enthüllt. Für diesen Festakt werden Kompositionen in der Besetzung Oboe, Flügelhorn (B) und Glockenspiel (und/oder kleine Trommel – 1 Musiker/in) mit einer Dauer zwischen 30 Sekunden und 2 Minuten gesucht. Die eingereichten Werke können bereits aufgeführt sein. Von den Einsendungen werden 12-15 Werke ausgewählt, die zur Aufführung kommen. Einsendeschluss: 30. Juni 2009 Aufführung: 09.09.09 in Gänserndorf bei Wien Nahe liegend ist es, den Charakter der Kompositionen in ernsthafter, heiterer, grotesker, sarkastischer oder humoristischer Weise auf den Themenkreis Marschmusik abzustimmen. Ebenso willkommen sind aber auch Kompositionen, die sich dieser ungewöhnlichen Besetzung in offener, rein konzertanter Form annehmen. Ein Projekt im Rahmen des „Viertelfestival Niederösterreich 09 – Weinviertel“. __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
[spectre] REMINDER - Rezepte für Kalbsembryonenverkostung gesucht
= REMINDER = +++ Rezeptideen für Kalbsembryonenverkostung gesucht --- DEADLINE: 20 Dezember 08 Einsendungen mit 1. genauer Beschreibung der Zutaten und der Zubereitung 2. einem Statement (max. 1 A4-Seite) 3. einem kurzen Lebenslauf und 4. einer Erklärung, dass der/die EinsenderIn mit der Realisierung des Rezeptes während der Veranstaltung am 10. Jän.2009 einverstanden ist. bitte an: --- galerie wechselstrom --- c/o Christoph Theiler --- Grundsteingasse 44/1/5 --- 1160 Wien oder an: --- christoph(at)wechsel-strom.net Die besten 3 Rezepte werden mit je 100,-- Euro honoriert. Die Veranstaltung findet am Samstag, 10. Jän. 2009, 14.00h in der galerie wechselstrom Gundsteingasse 44, 1160 Wien statt. Reservierung und Anmeldung unbedingt erforderlich Unkostenbeitrag: 45,-- Euro christoph - wechselstrom - Der Embryo wird unter Einhaltung der strengsten Tierschutzmaßstäbe und unter fachärztlicher Kontrolle per Kaiserschnitt entnommen. Die Mutterkuh wird dabei örtlich betäubt, so dass der Eingriff, der nur wenige Minuten dauert, völlig schmerzfrei durchgeführt werden kann - es ist dabei sichergestellt, dass keine Betäubungsmittelsubstanz in den Blutkreislauf des Embryos gelangt. Sobald der Embryo an der Luft ist, wird er schnellstmöglich mittels Herzstich getötet. Der Eingriff selbst ist für das Muttertier so leicht verträglich, dass es nach einer relativ kurzen Erholungsphase, also nach etwa 2 Wochen bereits wieder besamt werden kann. == galerie wechselstrom c/o Christoph Theiler Grundsteingasse 44/1/5 1160 Wien Tel: +43-676-30 98 066 == __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
